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Toyota Tundra New Owner Reports

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  • 1972ck1972ck Posts: 56
    3rdiopen...Toyota asked us not to mention Terry Bradshaw being in those videos. It was for "internal use" only due to his contracts with other companies. And yes, it was a major cheesey video.
  • 1972ck1972ck Posts: 56
    I am sorry to hear of your woes with your Tundra. I have personally owned three Tundras. One of which I had put 78,000 miles on. I sold it privately to a local woman who has 145,000 miles on it last I psoke with her with no issues. This truck has towed over 6,000 lb.s numerous times when I owned it. The 2nd Tundra I owned I put 89,000 miles on and it is still on the road. (I'm friends with it's new owner) He using it for his general contracting business and it now has 107k plus miles on it without any tranny issues. He tows a trailer behind it everyday to and from his job sites. Did you have your transmission flushed every 30k miles or so? Unfortunately, Tundras are machines and machines break occassionally. "If it has wheels it'll give you problems." I wouldn't call every Tundra a lemon. I currently own a 2005 D-Cab it has 22k miles on it. I plan on buying a 2007. (If I can afford it that is.)
  • Yes,the 2007 transmission and transfer case are different than the current model.The maual transmission will no longer be offered either.
  • You said "When the drivetrain warranty is up (60,000 miles); the customer is on his own."....isn't that the case with any auto maker,once the warranty expires you are responsible for all repairs?They are not warranteed for the life of the vehicle.
  • More importantly, MANY owners are currently having transmission problems.

    Toyota advertises about the durability of the truck: commercials of vehicles of over 100,000 miles; yet when the warranty is up at 60,000 miles, they don't stand behind the vehicle.

    If you buy the Tundra you might be lucky; you might be not.

    Is it worth the "roll of the dice" to be hope you don't ultimately have this kind of expense.

    It's not going to happen to me again.

    Toyota "reliability" ends at 60,0000 miles.:lemon:
  • You're one of the lucky ones who did not have to contact Toyota Customer "Care :lemon: ???" with an issue. Also smart enough to bail out at 78,000 miles.

    You would think with my 2001 that never towed, never heavy hauled, and maintained according to the service schedule, it could have made it to the 100,000 mark.

    Most people I speak to indicate that the major components of a drivetrain should last 100,000 miles, and a manufacturer should be willing to stand behind those major components. The dealer service department indicated that there was not a maintenance problem with the transmission.

    It was an "unusual" event; however, they had a replacement in less than 24 hours. Curious that such an unusual mechanical problem has the parts on-hand so readily.

    I am happy for you making it without problems. If you DID have problems, you would have experienced another facet to Toyota. I had the experience and it's not worth hoping I don't have a second experience. As you indicate, these trucks are pricey, and customer care :lemon: should be better.

    Here's a thought: Do you think that the new Tundra could be an answer to the fact that these problems are beginning to show up in the original "Truck of the Year"?
  • I have owned cars and trucks (American and foreign) for over forty years. This is the FIRST :lemon: transmission I ever had to replace.

    I don't consider that luck. I maintain my vehicles, meticulously. This "truck" :lemon: did not tow or heavy haul. The service manager who replaced the transmission indicated that it did not fail for maintenance issues.

    I don't expect to replace the major components of a drivetrain under 100,000 miles, and I don't think any realistic truck owner buys a TRUCK thinking that he/she will have to replace major drivetrain components. Radiators, belts, oil, filters, tires etc. need to be replaced. Major drivetrain components of vehicles, particularly in this day and age, should make it to 100,000 miles.

    I bought this Tundra and my previous T-100 for its advertised durability. It was "babied" by truck standards, and the transmission failed.

    Don't pitch a vehicle for durability with 100,000 mile+ ads if you only stand behind it to 60,000 miles.

    As I recommended to others:
    After 60,000 miles get rid of the Tundra it's not worth the gamble.

    When you buy your next Tundra, do you really anticipate the transmission, serviced according to Toyota's recommended maintenance, will fail BEFORE 100,000 miles?

    If it does, would you buy another Tundra?

    When you look at the price tag of the 2007, is it worth the bet?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    More importantly, MANY owners are currently having transmission problems

    Verifiable stats please. Your personal difficulties seem to have clouded your perception. As noted previously there seem to be many more very happy owners at TS or TN for example who have had few or no problems.

    Over on the Problems and Solutions forum your similar rants are receiving similar replies. You seem to be the only one of the 'MANY' having this problem. I'm sorry it occurred to you but it's hardly a trend.
  • It doesn't change that he did everything according to maintenance and the transmission still failed. Even if it was a lemon, Toyota should have good willed the repair and left it at that. Their paltry warranty compares to the only "one leg in" nature of most domestic manufacturers. To sum it up, even if this was an isolated incident, the circumstances demand some sort of recompense or help on Toyota's behalf for a product that was/is obviously poorly manufactured. I can only imagine what the response would have been if this had been about a Dodge Ram, a Ford F150 or a Chevy Silverado, etc. Toyota simply dropped the ball on this one.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Often this is done if the mileage at the time of the report is close to the upper limit, but not at 87,000 miles. To do so creates no upper limit and the warranty is open-ended. It was clear from the time it was purchased that the upper limit was 60000 mi. 87,000 is too far above IMHO.

    To sum it up, even if this was an isolated incident, the circumstances demand some sort of recompense or help on Toyota's behalf for a product that was/is obviously poorly manufactured.

    Since neither of us were parties to the 'discussions' your last statement is not accurate. Sell your 8 y.o. car to someone in the newspaper AS IS, then 4 months later have him come back and sit in your driveway demanding that you fix the leaky oil seal or he won't move.

    'Honey, call the police.'
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,834
    actually, for some brands, if you have a problem when the published warranty has expired, relief may be still available.
  • No one complains about good experiences.

    I am not the only voice on the Problems and Solutions Forum indicating transmission issues with the original Tundras

    Understand, I was a Toyota advocate, I raved ,not ranted, about the vehicle - UNTIL I had to deal with what I consider an unacceptable issue with a vehicle especially a truck - the failure of a major drivetrain component under 100,000.
    The failure was unacceptable and the response from Toyota was also unacceptable. Especially, when they hype the durability with 100,000+ mile commercials.

    The Forum is to let others know what they may encounter regarding vehicles based on experience vs. rhetoric.

    What is your personal experience with Tundras that can be added to the discussion?
  • serranotserranot Posts: 113
    You are obviously entitled to your opinion, which is that your Tundra failed prematurely and that you got the shaft.

    Your opinion, however, does not extend to saying that because yours is bad, and because somebody else had problems, they are ALL bad. Consumer Reports's owner survey of the Tundra simply does not support your assertion. Your one vehicle is not a statistically significant sampling of all Tundras. Your experience is an experience of one. It is rhetoric to say they all suck. Your comment above that no one complains about good experiences is exactly right, and there are hundreds of thousands of happy owners versus your experience.

    My opinion--I read these forums to research these issues before making a purchase decision, and your experience is certainly relevant to that decision. However, your hyperbole that all Tundras are crap simply is not supported by the body of evidence, your own experience notwithstanding. Given the choice of rolling the dice with Toyota versus a domestic manufacturer, I'll go with Toyota every time.

    Regards,
    Tom
  • It is in fact rhetoric to say all Tundras suck; that's your statement not mine.

    From my experience, owning cars and trucks for over 40 years, domestic and foreign, this is the first transmission that has ever failed. To be honest the "truck" was babied: it never towed, never heavy hauled, and was serviced according to Toyotas posted maintenance schedule. A supposed "truck" transmission should not fail under these conditions.

    From my experience, having a friend who is an executive for a domestic auto dealer, he indicates that no component in the drivetrain of any vehicle should fail under less that 100,000 miles without having the auto company standing behind their product and offering some relief to the customer.

    From my experiences, I have dealt with car manufacturers who have been willing to ignore warranty mileage and stand behind their product.

    From my experience with Toyota service and customer care, I find that the company is NOT willing to stand behind their product.

    There are more than one or two issues surfacing about transmission problems with the original Tundra owners on the Forums. There are more than one or two issues concerning Toyota Customer care. :lemon:

    The problems are from people who have EXPERIENCE with the Tundra and Toyota Customer care.

    Understand, I was a true advocate of the Toyota Tundra. I owned two Toyota trucks. I did the same reading. Now I have experienced what will happen if you do run in to problems with the vehicle. You are going to be on your own after 60,000 miles. That's not hyperbole or rehetroric. That's FACT from experience.

    Reading about vehicles and owning and experiencing vehicles is very different. To ignore the experiences of owners is a "roll of the dice." "Experience keeps a dear school, but a fool will learn in no other"

    What personal experiences do you have concerning Tundras can be added to the discussion?
  • guestguest Posts: 774
    Is the new Tundra going to be at the Los Angles Auto Show this December? Because I looked at Toyota.com/newtundra and they had scheduled the 2007 Tundra to appear there. When I talked to my friend he says they might not the Tundra up for display??? Maybe he's lyiing, or maybe the new Tundra really won't be there. I've been dying to see this truck in person. The photo's on this truck look good but, I want to see how big this truck really is. I use to own a Tundra and I remember standing about 3 inches taller than it. Also will a Deck Rail System be avalible??? Reply back Thanks!!
  • serranotserranot Posts: 113
    I'm sorry, I have no personal experience owning a Tundra. I cannot personally comment on ownership. In any case, I did not think that Tundra ownership was a requirement to post on these boards. However, if you reread the post, I did not call you a liar or say that your comments were untrue. My comments had nothing to do with your ownership experience.

    I am entirely qualified to respond to your comments in the way I did because I have owned about 14 autos in my life, several of them purchased new. It's a fact that the transmission should not fail under the conditions you described. It's also a fact that Toyota owes you nothing. Did you read the warranty? It is a contract, and they don't owe you a thing after it expires. Toyota is some how the bad guy because they didn't fix your problem? If you want a warranty to 100K, buy a Hyundai or an extended warranty.

    I am also permitted within my life experience to believe statistics of thousands over one person's experience. As I said before, your experiences are very relevant to someone making a purchase decision. However, one or two people with usernames like "usedtobeloyal" are not going to somehow make me believe that the sky is falling when the great body of evidence is to the contrary. I direct you to my previous comments about drawing conclusions of this nature: serranot, "Festivus Airing of Grievances" #1, 26 Dec 2005 8:24 pm. See number 1.

    You're right about being on your own after 60k. My Trooper currently has 82K on it. If the engine blew up, I would be horribly upset, but I wouldn't be crying that Isuzu wouldn't replace the motor. There is no secret understanding that the company somehow owes me something past the warranty period.

    Regards,
    Tom
  • Appreciate your honesty, concerning your lack of any first-hand experience with the Tundra. I suspect visitors to this forum like to know who is "qualified" to speak about Toyota trucks.

    Unlike you, I am an owner of two Toyota trucks. So I'll "bring you up to speed."

    We purchase Toyotas because of their reputation. We expect that they will take us 100,000+ miles.

    Because of the expected reliability, and, MORE IMPORTANTLY, because Toyota Customer Care was so adamant about replacing a part that they said so infrequently needs repair, I decided to search "Toyota problems" and "Toyota transmission problems" on the internet.

    So if you're on this Toyota New Owners Forum looking for a new Tundra, SEARCH THE INTERNET for the experience of other owners.

    What I found were two things that were distressing:
    1. Toyota transmissions and other mechanical problems are not unusual. Certainly, not "one person's experience."
    2. Toyota Customer Care :lemon: is unresponsive beyond the dealer, and they often deny there is a problem.

    The anecdotal customer experience is eye-opening: One owner had blue smoke coming out of a brand-new Toyota, and Toyota National said it was normal; another owner had a transmission problem and during the meeting the Toyota rep. said he would not have bought the customers truck with the problem he was having - the claim was DENIED because it wasn't a safety issue; a 2005 with 40,000 miles, needs a new engine and Toyota refuses to cover.

    If mechanical issues are in fact so uncommon, such as my transmission, why is there such a reluctance to stand behind a vehicle that hypes its reliability?

    The reason I am on this forum is because I wish I had the opportunity to read the first hand experiences of Tundra owners BEFORE I bought a Tundra.

    With my experience now and with the subsequent information that I found on the internet, there will not be a third Toyota. My recommendation since my first posting: Sell a Toyota after 60,000 miles. As you appropriately stated it is the warranty.

    During my search I found some information that best summarizes my opinion, from the ultimate authority on Toyota - the "man behind the curtain" puffing smoke the the Land of Oz:

    "[Toyota] recalled nearly 1 million vehicles worldwide in May. Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe apologized in September for the increase in problems."

    Caveat Emptor and sell at 60,000 miles.

    Thus ends the lesson.
  • I PRAY that ends it. The 2007 Tundra is a totally new truck. I come here to learn about the new Tundra not to read about your personal problem with Toyota Customer Service and a pre-2007 Tundra.
    BTW, my wife had the same exact problem with her BMW and they didn't cover the trans either. My wife just smiled and asked "But, isn't this the ultimate driving machine?" BMW still wouldn't cover the Trans but did give her free labor.
  • There is only one thing more painful than learning from experience, and that is not learning from experience.
  • Experience has taught me that a "Vehicle Of The Year" is unlikely to be a lemon.
    BTW, You said you were done.
  • BTW,

    Thanks for the reply, appreciate hearing other experiences about the Tundra.

    There have been other Tundra owners that have joined in the discussion - good to hear all points of view.

    It should help Forum readers make decisions concerning the new 2007 Tundra. My concern was regarding the reliability of new 2007 drivetrain.

    What can you tell us about the Tundra you owned?
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Just out of curiousity -

    Have you checked the Problems and Solutions boards of some of the Tundras competition?

    Are you aware that I could probably find situations EXACTLY like yours for EVERY truck sold on the market?

    Since, you've written off Toyota for the future, and wished you had done more research before buying a Tundra, what has your research told you about other trucks on the market?
  • I know the competition is "thin." It's why I owned two Toyota trucks in the first place.

    What was most disappointing was the company's response. :lemon:

    I agree you will find my exact circumstances for other vehicles - does that make it right? Do you think it's acceptable?

    We are talking about TRUCKS, built for abuse. None of us should accept drivetrain component failure below 100,000 miles in any vehicle, especially not a truck - warranty or not.

    As customers we are going to be given the warranty that we "accept."

    It's the 2007 model year and other manufactures are offering 100,000 mile drivetrain warranties.

    I am currently searching.

    Having had a very long experience with Honda cars, who from my experience bend over backwards to stand behind their vehicles, I have started a look at the Ridgeline - but wrong forum.

    What have you experienced with your Tundra? That's why I am over on this Forum.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "What have you experienced with your Tundra? That's why I am over on this Forum."

    Really? You have experience with an '07 Tundra? That's odd, I didn't think they were on sale yet.....amazing that you've already burned through the warranty period.

    I have no experience with a Tundra. My experience (or lack thereof) is not relevant to the point I was making. To insinuate that one must own a Tundra to have a valid opinion regarding your issue is (IMO) childish. I own a vehicle. My wife owns a vehicle. Each of these vehicles are represented by a "Problems and Solutions" board on Edmunds. I can assure you that looking at THOSE "Problems and Solutions" boards will reveal anecdotal stories of transmission failures (beyond warranty) and a reluctance by the manufacturer to replace them for free (beyond warranty).

    The issue before us is whether cases of transmission failure in the current edition Tundra are rare (# of failures vs. # of Tundras sold) and whether or not Toyota is obligated to fix said issues for free though they are beyond warranty. The issue is NOT (though you seem to wish it were) whether or not responders to you have their own Tundra or not.

    "It's the 2007 model year and other manufactures are offering 100,000 mile drivetrain warranties."

    Yes. So if 100k drivetrain warranties are important, buy a truck with one. The Tundra doesn't have one; ergo Toyota owes you nothing for a tranny failure beyond the original warranty.

    I've also noted that many manufacturer's have begun offering CD changers as standard equipment. But I don't think I'm going to get far taking my 6 year-old car in demanding a CD changer....
  • Really? You have experience with an '07 Tundra?

    Take some deep breaths and read my post. Who said I was the owner of a new 07 Tundra?

    And don't worry about me dealing with the obligation of Toyota - I can tell you I am not going to just "smile" like you did. I told you before, we bought the Tundra because they are reliable.

    The issue before us is whether cases of transmission failure in the current edition Tundra are rare....

    My original thread discussion was a question about the reliability of the new transmission vs the old. It is an Owner site and past reliability is a topic that is germane to decisions of future owners.

    But I don't think I'm going to get far taking my 6 year-old car in demanding a CD changer....

    Comparison of a CD Charger to drivetrain components????? I got to agree with you here: I'd probably just "smile" and tell them they don't have to add the CD changer.

    You responded to me, Bud.

    Beyond "smile" can you add anything that will help future owners?
  • Sweet Fancy Moses, this is the dumbest discussion to ever take place in the wrong forum. Let me get this straight, you purchased a truck known for its reliability, that after it's factory warranty, had a component fail. Thats called bad luck, the dealership has a special potion that wards off this bad luck, they call it a extended warranty, but guess what, not even it lasts forever.

    NO, truck is perfect, my fathers 2005 F150's rear end failed and had to be completely replaced at 500 miles.

    Sour grapes never plays out well on web forums.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Who said I was the owner of a new 07 Tundra? "

    Well, you DO have a habit of asking EVERYONE who responds to you whether or not they have a Tundra (insinuating that those without should keep their peace). You DID state that the reason you were HERE (the '07 Tundra forum) was due to your experience. Following your 'logic' would indicate that, since this IS the '07 Tundra forum, that only owners of '07 Tundras should contribute.

    Yes, I know you don't have an '07 Tundra. What you read earlier was called 'sarcasm'. As for your stated 'reason' for being in this forum, I call BS. Your 'reason' for being in here is to pollute Tundra forums with your woes that you had a component failure (beyond warranty) and the manufacturer won't fix it for free (beyond warranty).

    "...I can tell you I am not going to just "smile" like you did."

    No, obviously not. Instead of simply accepting the fact that SOMETIMES 'stuff' happens and components break (beyond warranty) and the manufacturer's are under no obligation to fix it for you for free (beyond warranty), you've instead decided to turn this into a crusade against Toyota because you want your transmission (failed beyond warranty) to be fixed for free (beyond warranty). Whether or not you 'smile' through this process isn't germane.

    " ...we bought the Tundra because they are reliable."

    Newsflash: Tundras ARE reliable. Statistical evidence shows this. If one Tundra in 10,000 suffers a premature tranny failure, then it sucks to have that one failure. But that doesn't mean Tundras aren't reliable. Do you have ANY stats indicating the # of tranny failures vs. # of Tundras sold? That would be useful information. Because ONE anecdotal story is pretty poor evidence of an endemic problem.

    "Comparison of a CD Charger to drivetrain components?????"

    Let me draw you a roadmap. Your vehicle had a standard 60k warranty (analogous to a standard radio). You noted some manufacturers are starting to offer a 100k warranty (analogous to a CD Changer). You want Toyota to NOW give you a 100k warranty (gee Toyota, can you give ME a CD Changer now?). No smiling involved.

    Beyond 'sour grapes', what EXACTLY are you adding that will help future owners?
  • Sorry for the late reply, I was out of town on business.

    Fellas, calm down. Get a paper bag, deep breathes.

    Your acting like a bunch of school kids who just found out there might not be an Easter Bunny.

    I own a Tundra and I am not the only Toyota owner having transmission issues.

    Read the discussion thread, check the Tundra Problems and Solutions forum, and search the internet. It's not "pollution" of the site.

    I am trying to show the future owners that past reliability is a good indicator of future reliability.

    Anyway, it's Thanksgiving. I'm going to enjoy sometime with my family.

    If you decide to spend the holidays hovering and hyper-ventilating over the Forum, at least stay on topic and drop the sarcasm and name calling. Get some facts.

    There is a recurring theme that I am only one owner, albeit the posts on both the internet and the problems and solutions forum.

    Have you check these sources? What did you find?

    On what are you basing the "1 in 10,0000" statement? You can't tell me you know 10,000 Tundra owners!!!

    By the way, rethink your logic, using yours, NOBODY should be on the site. Don't think of it as sarcasm, just a "road map" to logical thinking.

    I'll get back to you after the holidays-Deep breathes in and out.

    Have a nice Thanksgiving
  • 1972ck1972ck Posts: 56
    Hello Tundra Forum Readers!
    White River Toyota (WR Jct,VT) has arranged to have a 2007 Tundra at the annual New England Snowmobile Racing Association's, Lake Fairlee/Lake Morey Radar/Ice Drag Races the weekend of January 27th and 28th. If you're going to be New England this January and want to check out the Tundra for yourself prior to dealers getting them. Then this is the event for you. Toyota Motor Sales USA will be on hand with give aways. There will also being drawings for other prizes.
    Just thought some of you would want to know. :)
  • 1972ck1972ck Posts: 56
    If you go to toyotanation.com they have a full sized, side view photo of the Crew Max. Just look up '07 Tundra Crew Max when you get to the site. It should pull up the photo for you. It's in black and white. (sorry) Atleat it's a photo of a "production ready" Crew Max. Buimmer we won't have 'em till around 6/07 though.
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