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Toyota Tundra New Owner Reports

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  • pjalnpjaln Posts: 8
    nissan and toyota talk about building tough work trucks yet they are not tough enough to handle the same plows chevy,dodge ,and ford can handle,in there advertising they give you the perseption that all people want to do is pull things when most pickup truck owners (where ever it snows)want trucks that can push and have a strong front end. ford and dodge with there straight front axles are not in the same catagorie as this truck .paul
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "...ford and dodge with there straight front axles are not in the same catagorie as this truck..."

    :confuse:

    I wasn't aware folks hung their snow plows from the axle; I kinda figured they were hung on the frame......
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    No Ford, Chevy or Dodge 1/2 ton pickups have a straight front axle. Tundra is 1/2 ton. What an intelligent post!
  • A guy over on the blogs mastered a photoshop of what the crew cab should look like. http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121001&page=2. Scroll down this page 2 and see the pic. I think it's very accurate indeed.
  • Yeah, I suppose "loaded" you could spend $40k on a Ford F150, maybe. But I was with my friend when he bought a 2005 F150 XLT 4x4 crew with the 5.4 engine for $26,500, after all the rebate/discount nonsense was done. Do you really think the new Tundra, similarly equiped in SR5 trim, will sell in that price range? I just think if Toyota premium prices this thing, it ought to have the most modern features, like side air bags, standard. (Who knows, maybe it will.) Heck, Honda did it on the Ridgeline (that everybody loves to hate).
  • Transaction prices much higher, as supply won't be what Ford's is, and Toyota hasn't built a reputation over the past 5 years for "Giving away the Store".

    Toyota customers expect to pay a little more, but get a lot more value.

    DrFill
  • pjalnpjaln Posts: 8
    rorr and saddaddy, both of you i guess are defending this truck as heavy duty ,am i right? in other words guys are going to trade in there f250s and 350s and D2500 for this , if so i needs to handle a heavy duty plow period !!or no serious landscaper will go near it.
    what is the sense of building this truck ,the tundra as it sits goes up against the 1/2 ton ford, chevy,and dodge.

    i,m on truck # 17 nobody here can give me an education on pickup trucks .........paul
  • Its looks awkward with the puny tires and wheels.

    GM/FORD/DODGE have nothing to worry about...
  • ok how are the tires puny and the "wheels" make it look akward?

    if anything GM and Ford will still have to worry even if this truck is not sucessful

    While we're cutting jobs, they are making better cars
  • I look at that dashboard design, and think, "Damm, now where will my knees go?" One thing I really like about the current dash design is that you can spread your legs a bit, and your knees don't strike the dashboard.

    This new design (http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121001&page=2.), there's a giant gearshift poking into your thigh, and the extruded center dashpanel tapers INTO the steering column. No room for us bigger guys anymore (I'm 6'-7"). It's sad. All new truck bigger in all dimensions except driver's knee room.

    Also note the very deep glove box in the passenger side. Right up against your shins if you are tall.

    Stupid stupid stupid! I'm so tired of vehicles not fitting because of inferior design, not because of lack of space!

    NW
  • I thought the point wasn't just to sell to "Toyota customers" but pull guys away from the domestics. I think price will matter.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "...in other words guys are going to trade in there f250s and 350s and D2500 for this..."

    I'm not sure whose lines you're reading between but you need to take another look.

    Nobody said the new Tundra was designed to lure serious f250/f350 owners out of their trucks. The target for the new Tundra is the F150.

    Ford/GM/Dodge sells about a billion of these (okay - slight exaggeration) in Texas every year and I think it fair to say that the % of these trucks which see regular snowplow duty here in the Lone Star state is on the small side. Can the new Tundra handle a snow plow? I've got no idea. But if the Tundra puts a dent in the Texas truck market, you can bet the domestics WILL take notice.

    "...or no serious landscaper will go near it."

    What features would a 'serious landscaper' be looking for in a F150 that they would not find in the new Tundra?

    BTW - what is it about the Tundra which would prevent it from snow plow duty? Just curious.....
  • Are you saying domestic shoppers only buy trucks based on price?

    Toyota, in comparisons, will have to prove their truck is better, noticably, then the domestics. Then Toyota will have a chance to sell for the same, or a little more.

    It's all about "perceived value". Tundras aren't seen as being on the same level as the domestics.

    Maybe the new one will change that.

    Toyota knows they can't price it $1-2k higher than the F-150. they know how to price a vehicle, better than the domestics, obviously, since they don't have to discount them $4k each to sell 'em.

    DrFill
  • If I can buy a new 4x4 Tundra for $28k equiped at the SR5 level, Toyota will have asale. I am not holding my breath though.
  • (ok how are the tires puny and the "wheels" make it look akward?)

    Just look at the pics...the tires are to small, the wheelwells to large....i printed a pic and took it to work...and thats the 1st thing all the guys commented on.

    Any Faithful GM/FORD/DODGE guy isn't going to switch to a toyota..yes maybe an occasional one, but overall...not gonna happen.Give me a good reason why i should...i've owned chevys and GMC's, they've all been great trucks.
    The Ford and Dodge guys will say the same.

    The people that buy toyotas may upgrade and there will be new customers..but things really won't change much...the original Tundra was supposed to take over too...it didn't happen. The Nissan Truck didn't do it either...

    (While we're cutting jobs, they are making better cars)

    Ya maybe cars, not trucks...GM etc need to do better car wise...there's nothing car wise i would buy...except maybe the 09 camaro....if they don't change it much.
    The new totyota will be a nice truck...but it ain't gonna tale over from the big 3.....
    Just my opinion.

    don
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    This is a 1/2 ton.. the 3/4 ton and the turbo diesels are around the corner.. bet on it.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    If I can buy a new 4x4 Tundra for $28k equiped at the SR5 level, Toyota will have asale. I am not holding my breath though.

    Depending on the Cab.. all day long anywhere in the US. ( well maybe not right away )

    Typically Toyota doesnt move its prices at all, especially in competitive markets, when a new vehicle comes out. They just add equipment to justify not having rebates. $28-30K MSRP for the truck shown in SR5 trim feels about right.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    You hit the point precisely and everyone knows it, this segment has one of the most loyal maybe the most loyal brand-buyer in the entire industry.

    It will make for interesting times because GM/F/D all make great vehicles. To succeed, this new Tundra has to be 'over-the-top'. Good for the consumers, that's for sure.
  • Yea I guess when a truck is as big it is, 20" rims look puny.

    :blush:

    Speaking of which, I don't remember the last time a truck's capabilities/success "rode" on the size (+/- 1") of wheels. No pun intended.
  • if it wasnt for trucks, the big 3 would be dead by now, the foreigners won the van segment and most of the sedan segment

    the big 3 cannot survive on just trucks, its not gonna work

    the problem is not if the truck is good enought yet, its that people havent excepted it yet and that will take time
    and when that day comes, good bye big 3
  • I pretty much agree. When the Tundra is finally released, I'm hoping it is contented way up, and priced very competitively. Actually, if Toyota really wants to make a dent in the domestics, the tundra really needs to be almost a loss leader until they get a foothold. Could be very good for the consumer as we watch it all unfold between the new tundra, the new silverado, and the f150 that will probably be offered with very attractive discounts until its next redesign. And if gas goes back to $3 a gallon, look for even better deals on all...
  • pjalnpjaln Posts: 8
    rorr,
    F150,s1500,d1500,all half tons all three can handle a 7'6" ld plow by fisher this plow weighs about 650lbs fisher will not put these on tundras because the front ends wont take it and it would void any warrantynow if it was made to go up against these three as competition why wasnt it engineered to handle a plow ,and btw i am not talking about the homesteader plow put out by fisher .

    now, to this new truck, will it be able to handle a heavy duty plow at least in the catagorie of the 7'6" fisher if not i just wonder why they would produce it and have the b%%lls to call it heavy duty not that they dont know how to build it toyota sends trucks to different parts of the world that are extremely heavy duty smaaler than an f150 and able to carry 1 ton and easily hold a plow but for some reason we dont see them here ....paul
  • now, to this new truck, will it be able to handle a heavy duty plow at least in the catagorie of the 7'6" fisher if not i just wonder why they would produce it and have the b%%lls to call it heavy duty

    It can haul more than any of the competitors (+10,000 lbs, heavy duty, no? Or are we missing something), so I have faith that it will be able to handle a plow, a plow 2 times bigger than the domestics can.

    :P

    Oh, and this is all very rhetorical...
  • Will Toyota ever put a locking fuel door back on there Tundra's or maybe make a locking gas cap? With gas so costly it's something Toyota should review!
  • I saw the Tundra at the show yesterday. Problem is, you can't say much about it because it was on a rotating pedestal and this made the truck's size hard to gauge; but I could say that it is about the same size as an F-150. Other than that, it seemed like a normal full-size truck. I asked the guy presenting if he could maybe disclose some torque figures; no dice. One cool feature demonstrated was that the tailgate has gas struts inside it so you can just pull the handle and let if "fall" to a nice, quiet stop. A problem that may arise from this is that I don't know if the tailgate would then be removable. If not, then this is a stupid and pointless feature. One interesting thing to note: Toyota's display was right next to Ford's but Toyota designed this lame "Tundra Experience" outside the hall itself; perhaps this was so people cannot compare the F-150 and Tundra at the same time?
    Anyway, they had this room dedicated to this truck with a grandiose "workin' class" entrance to it and a long commercial with thickly- (southern)accented blue collar construction workers talking about what they want in a truck. Guess Toyota really wants to be seen as an American compnay.
  • serranotserranot Posts: 113
    Why does the possible lack of a removable tailgate make gas struts "stupid and pointless?" I've never had to remove a tailgate and have owned and used pickups for years.

    Another example of someone thinking what they need is what everyone needs.

    Bottom line on pickups: if you're a "Ford" or "Chevy" man, there isn't a feature that Toyota could install that would make you switch brands. The "I drive an American car" mentality is not one that is easily changed, regardless of features or reality.

    I, for one, am looking forward to this new pickup. Big Three capability and Toyota quality merged.

    Regards,
    Tom
  • You say: "Why does the possible lack of a removable tailgate make gas struts "stupid and pointless?" I've never had to remove a tailgate and have owned and used pickups for years."

    And you continue: "Another example of someone thinking what they need is what everyone needs."

    I was going to retort, but you did it for me.

    Thanks.
  • Besides, that was a preliminary guess; it seems that you so fervently want to label anyone a jingoist that sees through snazzy marketing of a truck not due for another 11 months. I'll admit I was excited to see this debut, but was thoroughly disappointed when I did not hear any performance numbers. It would also seal the deal if they planned a diesel as well.
  • ideleidele Posts: 200
    I think that Toyota's challenge to Ford, GM, Dodge will force them to lower their prices which will lead to lower profit margins. I assume that Toyota will be as adept at producing Tundras at lower cost than the big three as they are with cars.
    Hino, majority owned by Toyota, produces mostly diesel trucks in Japan. These include diesel hybrids. The hybrid is of the series type, not Toyota's HSD. It is reported that Hino, which imports its trucks now, is planning to build a truck plant in the USA. If I remember correctly, in Arkansas. Toyota itself also produces diesels. The Tundra is entirely American since its engine is manufactured in Alabama. I don't believe Toyota makes any diesels in the USA but with Hino coming there may be a joint Hino-Toyota diesel manufacturing plant in the future
  • sortersorter Posts: 146
    All sayings about the truck buyer loyalty to U.S. brand are over rated. Throughout the years, I am sure that has been the claim for small car, then midsize, then full size car. Just few years ago and before the 2nd Generation of Honda minivan and the latest of Sienna, you could claim the same about mini van of buyer loyalty. Look what the landscape it is today. I remember people saying "the entire generation grown up in a voyoger, therefore people will always buy DCX van. Nonsense!
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