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Honda Ridgeline SUT

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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    He's not a Honda basher... he's just a fan of traditional trucks being presented with something very unconventional.
  • I judge "true" trucks by what I see at job sites, union and non-union. You will not see RL's penetrate this market because guys don't want to empty the bed out to get to the spare and or empty it out to get to what they would have had in the aftermarket truck job box. You hardly ever see foreign trucks on the job site, supporting the US economy and being patriotic is one reason, but another is that the foreign trucks just haven't been built as tough in the past. That is why the titan was designed the way it was, we'll see if that changes anything on the job site.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Perhaps it will help if we have a better understanding of what "platform" means. The Ridgeline is based on the same platform as the Ody, Pilot, and MDX. True enough. But that does not mean they share a chassis.

    In modern manufacturing, building something on the same platform means the two vehicles share certain manufacturing qualities. Here's a few examples....

    They would be about the same size (to fit on the assembly line).

    They would require (roughly) the same number of stops on the line.

    Those stops would be in a similar order.

    They can use the same robots to hold pieces together for assembly.

    I'm too lazy to look up the exact percentage (someone just posted it above), but the Ridgeline is something like 93% unique under the skin. And the skin certainly isn't shared with any other Honda.

    Now I'm sure there are compromises made to allow the Ridgeline to be built on the same lines as the Pilot. But the fact that it can haul 1,550 lbs payload (more than the BOF designs from Nissan and Toyota) certainly suggests that whatever those compromises are... they worked. The fact that the Ridgeline can autocross while loaded up also validates the design. The fact that Honda had to pull the Sport Trac off the same course (because journalists' lives were at risk driving it that way) doesn't hurt either.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    How many Sport Tracs do you see at the job site? How many of any mid-size trucks do you see there?

    That is not the target market for the Ridgeline. They are going for Harry Homeowner, not Bob the Builder.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    It is posts like this that detract from what the RL fans want to say. The truth, gonzo, is that my 2005 F-150 SuperCrew cost $33,600 (no I did not pay that much for it, but RL owners don't pay sticker, either). The redesigned (my body style) F-150 was picked for MT TOTY for 2004. Only all new trucks or totally redesigned trucks are nominated for TOTY. Next year the RL will not even be in the running for the "honor" of TOTY. Will that mean the RL is no longer a good vehicle? No, it will mean that it will be another manufacturer's turn to buy the award for use in their ad campaign. MT awards are marketing campaigns. I predict that the 2007 Chevy Silverado will win MT TOTY next year. Want to bet?
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    I applaud your ability to remain level headed. Your fellow RL fans could learn a thing or two from you.
  • My local Honda dealer is taking this problem very seriously. They have found a few places where the underside was not watertight and are sealing them. They are replacing the carpet and much insulation at no charge. My service writer said they have seen a few of these and one was unsold off the lot. Its a bummer but I guess these are the chances you take buying a first model year vehicle. Besides I leased mine so if it gets unbearable I only have to drive it for like 38 more months and they can have it back, though my intent is to buy out the lease.

    For the rest of you who don't believe this is truck. Well its got a bed so it is a truck. If I wanted a real truck I would have bought a GMC or something. I truly wanted the best of all worlds with out getting 12 mpg. I have a toddler which means I wanted safety as much as the typical truck functionality. I also have an Acura MDX which I previously mentioned and I really like the way it handles. The RL is a little more squirly at high speed but all in all its a great driving vehicle like the MDX.

    Every one needs to take a deep breath and accept that we are all different people and use our cars and trucks for our own personal needs. The guy who said something like "the real trucks are the ones found a job sites" may be right. I loved the full sized GMC product but for my needs ( I sell complex software ) I did not need a full-blown pick up but I at the same time I did want one for occasional household work which the RL is perfect for. BTW my current loaner vehicle is a Chevy Colorado 4 door 4WD and I can tell you I cannot wait to get RL back.

    Have a happy New Year.

    scowboy
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    BTW my current loaner vehicle is a Chevy Colorado 4 door 4WD and I can tell you I cannot wait to get RL back.

    Can't say that I blame you there!
  • "It is posts like this that detract from what the RL fans want to say."
    Oh come on, give me a break!
    You have been posting negatively here for weeks now expressing your unfounded ideas and opinions against this vehicle and you get 'upset' because someone post a message to you with your same type of arrogance?
    Please do us all a favor and go back to your Ford Truck board!
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    You have been posting negatively here for weeks now expressing your unfounded ideas and opinions against this vehicle

    Actually, gonzo, I've been posting here for 2 days. My ideas are not "unfounded" either. Even edmunds.com calls the RL "the truck for someone who does not need a truck" or some such thing. I thought I did a pretty good job of sticking to facts. Either way, I was not looking for a long discussion, anyway.
  • ;)
    Have a great New Year!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    You hardly ever see foreign trucks on the job site, supporting the US economy and being patriotic is one reason

    I find fault with this statement. I wouldn't buy a Ford Fusion because it was built in Mexico, so instead I bought my Honda Accord because it was made by American hands in Ohio. Don't forget, that just because the nameplate is American, it may not have been touched by Americans in the build process. The Hyundai Sonata and Honda Odyssey are built less than an hour from my house in Birmingham, Alabama. The "foreign" companies aren't floundering in the American market like America's own GM or Ford. Ford just couldn't afford to build cars in Detroit when Mexican labor is MUCH cheaper.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,658
    Aren't many Dodge Rams made in Mexico, and many F-Series pickups made in Canada?

    Bob
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    My F-150 was built in the USA. Of course, I don't know where all of them are made. Also, keep in mind that the Accord was built in the US by Americans, but the profit went back to Japan. Even though the Fusion was built in Mexico, the profit goes back to Detroit. It's a Catch-22 either way you go.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "Even though the Fusion was built in Mexico, the profit goes back to Detroit." Then they take that profit and invest it in China...

    Sorry, but anybody buying based on nationalist ideals is only hurting themselves. Eliminating good cars from their shopping list for reasons like that is just plain silly.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I agree, but was just making sure everyone knew where each car mentioned was actually made.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,600
    Even though the Fusion was built in Mexico, the profit goes back to Detroit.

    As a Ford shareholder, I wish this statement were true. The revenue may be coming to the US, but there ain't no profit.

    Don't forget those Honda employees spend their money in the US.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,702
    >Honda employees spend their money in the US

    but the company and supplier profits go to .... Honda, don't they?

    This message has been approved.

  • Let me get something straight...what the heck do I care how much profit the company makes? If any of that coming back to the workers. NO! It is going back to their CEO's and rich stockholders so they can continue to get bigger salaries, bonuses and get more richer.
    It is the American worker that I care about. I want these profits to come to them and I want them to spend it here, make a decent living and be able to enjoy it with their families.
    The fact is that many of these companies are being run very poorly by bad management decisions and bigger egos.
    American buyers should be aware of certain facts when they go to purchase "American vehicles”. Like the fact that the Chevy Equinox V-6 engines are built in China, that Dodge Neon’s come from Mexico and many, many of the Fords and GM models also come from Mexico or Canada. Even many of the Harley Davidson motorcycle parts and accessories are foreign. The new HD Buell Ulysses electrical wiring harness is built in Taiwan. I bet you American consumers don’t know that the Saturn Vue V-6 engine and transmissions are built by Honda in the US by American worker. Now, who is getting ripped here? The American workers are! The CEO's and their already rich stockholders continue to make their huge salaries and profits at the expense of the American workers.
    Don’t you find it amazing that most of what we call ‘foreign car companies’ are employing Americans, have plants in the good USA, use American parts and components and are the ones putting food on American table’s everyday...unfortunately, the same cannot be said for GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc.
    This “Buy American” statement to make America better is no longer true, it's a fallacy and most people are still falling for it.
    I buy Honda products. At least I know that I’m supporting American families!
    :shades:
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,895
    Also, keep in mind that the Accord was built in the US by Americans, but the profit went back to Japan.

    Not necessarily. Depends on what the company needs at the time. They might then spend to build more plants and offices here in the US, where they will hire more american workers. Oh, and the stockholders make out, too, and you could be one of those, if you so chose.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

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