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Honda Ridgeline SUT

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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I don't doubt that it happened. I just think we shouldn't get all chicken little about one instance. Especially when we really don't know all the details.

    I mean, I heard about a brand new Jeep Rubicon that snapped a tie rod driving down a path covered in loose rocks. :sick: I was told this after I'd already driven the same track in my CR-V.

    Would anyone take me seriously if I took that story and claimed that Jeeps are flimsy and unfit for off-road use? Geez, I hope not. So, for the same reasons, I wouldn't take a single story as the gospel for the Ridgeline.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,777
    But some love to hear stories like this and they will jump all over it.
  • Well, I guess I just don't see a reason for Edmunds to lie about the circumstances of the strut failure. If they dropped it off a mini cliff, then I be willing to bet they would tell us that, and there would have been other damage to report. Why not? It is in their best financial interest to be fair with the manufacturers. Also, one of the things that makes Hondas and Toyotas so good is that they are built in a very consistent way. Thus, it is not a stretch to believe that a significant problem may not be an anomoly, and will reappear. Anyway, it seems like a fix (i.e. heavy duty race inspired type strut) would be easy. I'll wait and see.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,777
    If ONE report of failed struts would scare someone away, they probably should buy a different car.

    I have a lot of respect for Edmunds or I wouldn't be here.

    Still...I find it VERY odd all four struts would somehow fail. I just don't understand, that's all.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I can't speak for Isell, but I'm offering up my perspective for this reason... If the problem was an anomaly, you'll be waiting for a fix that'll never arrive. If it isn't a one-time anomaly, Honda may fix it without ever announcing the change.

    You have the luxury of time to buy. But you may be waiting for a fix that never happens, never needed to happen, or happens, but never gets published. All because of one report.

    With the Jeep incident I mentioned before, I'm sure the driver thought the trail he was traversing was perfectly ordinary. Heck, it wasn't even a trail. It was an access road between trails. I made it without a 2nd thought driving a Honda CR-V, fer cryin' out loud. Why would a guy who bought a Rubicon package be concerned with this trail? He probably just hit an embedded rock, just the right way, at just the right speed.

    I'm sure the Edmunds staffer thought he was driving a perfectly ordinary trail, at a safe speed, with nothing to worry about. There's no reason to suggest the staffer is lying about it.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,777
    I don't suspect anything either way.

    I just find it very odd, that's all. Maybe the struts come from a supplier who accidently had a bad run.

    I haven't a clue.
  • I hope Honda takes this seriously. It is exactly what this vehicle (advertised as tough) does not need, i.e. reports that its suspension breaks easily.

    http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3023&highlight=struts
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,517
    I can see it now. Host will delete that post and then what follows will be cries of "what? i can't post anything negative about the vehicle?"
    Simply put, you can't link to any forums outside of Edmunds (or sites that contain forums). So you might want to consider reposting without the link.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • geo9geo9 Posts: 739
    Are real..............

    NAH!.............Those folks on that other forum are liars
    and just pulling everybodys leg huh?...........LOL!

    I guess the old "they flogged it too hard" excuse
    don't apply huh ? :lemon:

    Wait till the weak auto transmission issues start !

    I guess these issues will just have to be ignored........ :blush:
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,517
    Yer still here? Don't you have anything better to do? eh... nevermind ... now where did i put that ignore button ....

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • rules are rules. But since some people on that other site had suggested suing Edmunds over its report (just before members of that forum starting reporting the problem themselves), even Edmunds may want to take note of the posts in that Ridgeline Owners forum. Hey, no car company is perfect. The issue is how well they respond to reported problems. Honda should issue a TSB, and deal with it in the open. Ford would ignore it, and that's why they have had debacles like the Pinto and the explorer.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Edmunds simply takes issue with promoting other boards. I believe they've lightened up on their policies regarding links to other sites.

    Back to issue... looks real to me. With several reports posted, I'd say there's a legitimate issue. Knowing that there have been additional reports, I'd say it's very likely we'll start hearing about a TSB or a new strut supplier sometime in the future.

    Thanks for the follow-up.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,688
    a year or two worth of production to get the kinks sorted out. This isn't unique to Honda. How many times have we all been warned about buying a first-year product. Granted, someone is going to buy v.1.0 of any new vehicle. Just go about doing it with the concept of "buyer beware" firmly planted in the back of your mind. Unfortunately stuff happens—regardless of the logo on the grille—with first year products...

    Bob
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,777
    I think you are right. Honda is very quick to react to situations like this. Even so, I would suspect these are pretty isolated incidents.
  • gd113gd113 Posts: 114
    This guy is absolutely monotonous. The same negative posts over and over. Why does a Cadillac owner and spend so much time in this forum? Should we all list the GM problems we have heard about and condemn that vehicle? Reminds of high school. When the little kid makes fun of something he actually wants it. ...Funny. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,777
    *****IGNORE HIM*****

    He loves it when we respond to him!

    He WILL go away if ignored long enough. They always do!
  • gd113gd113 Posts: 114
    Done :shades:
  • geo9geo9 Posts: 739
    I guess the honda faithful can't handle FACTS...........

    You can't ignore the ridgelines strut issues, water leaks
    and other problems that are posted here and other forums.

    The 1st year build excuse won't work either.......
    Several other vehicles have been launched the past year
    and have been troublefree.
  • My RL is a OCT build date and bought the 22nd wiht 8 mi. First and only driver was me. I picked it out as dealers love to rotate old stock (which they had plenty of July build dates) I believe if you know about quality control and production, RL most likely had many running changes and mods to react to production problems. I have no wind noise and hopefully full spec suspension!
    Last year I bought a 7 yr old Lexus ES300 with 100k it was one of first 2000 ES 300's for 97 (new model). It was absolutely flawless and previous owner had no real issues as I checked service history with dealer. So with a little $$ and care the first year production rule not really firm across the board. In fact the Lexus 97 model has zero sludge problems--that began in 98 and increased in 99 with engine emissions gadgets....
    Bottom line, RL is a decent urban truck with modest off road and 4wd capabilities that match 80% of most buyers. Believe me it is the only way I would have ever even considered a truck--plus Hondas low lease rates. That was my insurance in case this thing is a long term flop and value is not there in three years--like the 1st Gen Odyssey.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,822
    geo9, welcome the smear campaign. :(
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,777
    The 1st gen Odyssey was hardly a "flop". Granted, the newer ones have sold a LOT better.

    There is a small but strong following for the 1st gen Odysseys. When we get a nice one as a trade, they never last long!
  • bobwhobobwho Posts: 24
    Ok, Lets post the facts. The Edmunds test vehicle had failed struts. There were water leaks in the early months, wind noise, etc. Ok, each one has been addressed by Honda. Again, this is a niche vehicle that appeals to certain owners. I realize you may not like Honda's for what ever reason like some others on this site. You have your opinion like everyone else. Myself and others have decided the Ridgeline is the type of vehicle we wanted and paid for. I love my vehicle for what it was designed for. If you and others don't like the Ridgeline or Honda, you can vent to your friends, and family, but please don't mock me or others for the choice we made. I'm sure the web host does not want to see a word battle take place here. Afterall, no vehicle
    is perfect.
  • Do not get me wrong, I liked the light agreeable 95 Odyssey but resale was poor at the time and they did move slowly even in the Isuzu form. I had a white EX and it pioneered the rear fold down seat and storage well.
    All neat. but I digress...
  • "Ridgeline had its highest sales month ever in October. Tacoma sales were actually down slightly from September to October. I guess the Tacomas are flying a little more slowly than before."

    I'd call this "flying":

    37% more Tacomas in 10/05, compared with 10/04, even with the "Big 3's" incentives...

    TOYOTA RETAIL SALES
    (INCLUDES FLEET & HAWAII)
    October, 2005

    ----- CURRENT MONTH ----- -- CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE --
    DSR % DSR %
    2005 2004 CHG 2005 2004 CHG


    4X2 TACOMA 8,406 5,914 47.6 83,425 78,796 6.7
    4X4 TACOMA 6,080 5,069 24.6 56,175 51,426 10.1
    TOTAL TACOMA 14,486 10,983 37.0 139,600 130,222 8.0
    TUNDRA 8,919 9,448 -2.0 100,005 92,075 9.5
    TOTAL PICKUP 23,405 20,431 19.0 239,605 222,297 8.6
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Interesting. About 60% of the October Tacomas were 4x2s.

    In October Toyota sold 6,080 4x4 Tacomas. Honda sold 4,974 AWD Ridgelines. That's a whole lot closer than I would have expected.
  • "Interesting. About 60% of the October Tacomas were 4x2s"

    That's exactly why I think Honda would sell a lot more Ridgelines if a 4x2 model, with better mileage and a lower price, were available.

    Remember Toyota also offers the PreRunner, the ultimate poseur truck! :D The PreRunner has a 4x4 stance, style and even the TRD option package, with a 2 wheel drive price. There are LOTS of PreRunners sold every year.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,688
    The problem is, if Honda offered a 2WD version, that would mean FWD, and not RWD. FWD is not the best way to go with a pickup.

    Right after the Ridgeline was introduced I suggested they offer a "Cargo Cab" version, sans the rear seat and with rubber floor covering. That would cut costs quite a bit, and address those who don't want or need a rear seat. They could also offer a version with just the 1/3-section of the rear seat, deleting the 2/3-section. That would cut costs too, yet give at least one more passenger capability. Or, just make the rear seats optional on base-level models.

    I still think that's a good solution, and I would rather them do that than cut the AWD.

    Bob
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I agree that a less expensive/decontented Ridgeline would reach many more customers. I also agree with Bob, though. A FWD Ridgeline would be seriously handicapped. Better that they remove some of the other hardware to cut costs.

    My suggestion was to remove (or shrink) the rear seat and push the back wall of the cab forward to create a longer bed. They would leave the buttresses and roof in place. It would just mean the forward half of the bed would be under a "shelter".
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,688
    My suggestion was to remove (or shrink) the rear seat and push the back wall of the cab forward to create a longer bed. They would leave the buttresses and roof in place. It would just mean the forward half of the bed would be under a "shelter".

    That would also mean removing the rear doors and redesigning the rear-quarter windows, which could be a rather expensive re-engineering job, wouldn't it?

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,688
    which is sort of a combination of Varmint's idea and mine would be to offer the Cargo Cab (with no rear seat), but also give it a Subaru Baja-like switchback midgate, that would fold forward for those longer loads. The rear window and bulkhead would remain fixed (like the Baja) for added rigidity.

    Bob
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