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Honda Ridgeline SUT

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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,691
    In everything Honda has published, they compare it to midsize trucks, not fullsize trucks. The only thing fullsize about it is its width and maybe cab size.

    http://automobiles.honda.com/models/ridgeline_bonus.asp?ModelName=Ridgeline&func- - tion=compare

    You keep talking about how expensive it is, and therefore it should be compared with fullsize trucks. Go to any newspaper and you can find fullsize trucks selling for far less than smaller trucks. So, yes, if you want a stripper, you can find cheaper fullsize (and midsize) trucks. So far Honda has not offered a stripper Ridgeline.

    Comparing according only to price is like comparing an Accord to a Crown Victoria. Yeah, you could get a Crown Vic or less than an Accord. So what. If you don't "want" a Crown Vic, it makes no difference what the price is; same with the Ridgeline.

    Bob
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    You make a good point, Bob. However, unless you just need the huge back seat, the eight cylinder power or smooth ride of rear wheel drive, no one would buy a Crown Vic over an Accord. Come to think of it, if you have kids, maybe everyone should--but that's a topic for another discussion. :D My whole point about the price of the RL is that why pay for more truck and get less truck?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,691
    My whole point about the price of the RL is that why pay for more truck and get less truck?

    You're basing that argument on "truck-only" attributes. The Ridgeline is much more than that. While it does have truck attributes, but it also can double very nicely as a family vehicle—much more so than traditional 1/2-ton trucks.

    As with any vehicle in this class, it's a compromise. Buyers make their choices on what's most important to them. Those who value Honda's innovative approach to bridging the gap between car and truck will buy the Ridgeline. Those who prefer traditional truck attributes will go elsewhere.

    Bob
  • I'm not sure why people can't move into the future and embrace change and progress.

    The resistance to independent rear suspension on a truck such as the Ridgeline is puzzeling to say the least. The current solid rear axel and leaf spring set up on current full/mid/compact trucks is no different than on some horse drawn wagons in the 1800's. Have we not progressed beyond that. Honda entered the market and approached the requirements of a truck using todays technology and succeeded in a huge way. Does anyone seriously expect a progressive company like Honda to think they should follow in the path of nearly bankrupt companies like Ford and GM, even when it comes to truck design. They are leaders not followers.

    Even Toyota pulled their new corolla from release and sent it back for redesign after seeing the new 06 Civic. People better hold on to their antiquated trucks if that's what they love so much, because trucks will be changing because of the Ridgeline.
  • just a reminder... the new '07 Ford Sportrac AWD is almost a knockoff of the Ridgeline in features, due out in about 3 months.

    Probably coincidental though(as far as intentionally making a Ridgeline type vehicle), since it is a scheduled update to the now 3 year old IRS Explorer platform. But Ford definitely has a "different" pickup with this one.

    John
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    You are correct in saying that the Ridgeline is weak in two areas where traditional trucks shine. Towing is modest, at best. And off-road capability is more or for dirt roads only.

    So the Honda does sacrifice those attributes. I don't think anyone questions that.

    But take a look at what you get in return. The Ridgeline has a larger cabin than any other mid-size. It has a higher payload than any other mid-size (1,550 lbs). Those are also attributes which truck buyers value.

    So, it's weak in some truckish areas, but strong in others.

    But it doesn't stop there. The Ridgline also provides a driving experience that is more like a BMW than a truck. I'd agree that's not a high priority for the majority of truck buyers, but it is worth something. The Ridgeline also provides a high level of safety. Also worth something. It provides a well-constructed and high quality interior. It offers plenty of storage spaces. It offers decent fuel economy and good emissions. These things aren't the #1 criteria for traditional truck buyers. But they still add up to an awful lot of goodness.

    Take the in-bed trunk as an example. When the Ridgeline first debuted, I thought it was neat, but a gimmick. Then I started thinking about all the trucks I see with job boxes in their bed. Imagine a Frontier with a 5' bed and a job box in it.

    Price out a loaded Frontier or Tacoma and it will come within $1,000 of a similar Ridgeline. They will be superior in two primary truck virtues. But the Ridgeline will offer a dozen secondary virtues to make up for it.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    "What Edmunds.com Says

    Like a 4x4 Accord on steroids, the Ridgeline is the perfect pickup for those who don't really need a truck. "

    This is basically my argument from the beginning.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    gearhead1, we use solid rear axles and leaf springs because it is tried and true, it works and it is what trucks use. The Ridgeline uses a 4 wheel independent suspension because the Odyssey does.
  • Conversation with a Honda Engineer who designed the Ridgeline:

    Me: I was wondering, what made you guys decide not to use a solid rear axle with leaf springs in your truck?

    Honda engineer: Well, the Odyssey had 4 wheel independent suspension so we figured what the hell, why not use it again?

    Me: So you didn't do any kind of structural or dynamic analyses on the truck's suspension to make sure it could withstand the forces that a truck would normally see?

    Honda engineer: Why would we need to do that? I mean, the Odyssey already has 4-wheel independent suspension! That's all the convincing we need to know it will work.

    (for those of you too thick headed to get it, it’s called sarcasm.)
  • You are such an insecure person, you keep coming here to bash the Ridgeline. You know that deep inside you really wish you could afford one?

    The fact of the matter is that the Honda Ridgeline is the TRUCK OF THE YEAR....like it or not.
    Grow up, move on and maybe somewhere around the way, get a li
    fe!!!
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    He's not a Honda basher... he's just a fan of traditional trucks being presented with something very unconventional.
  • I judge "true" trucks by what I see at job sites, union and non-union. You will not see RL's penetrate this market because guys don't want to empty the bed out to get to the spare and or empty it out to get to what they would have had in the aftermarket truck job box. You hardly ever see foreign trucks on the job site, supporting the US economy and being patriotic is one reason, but another is that the foreign trucks just haven't been built as tough in the past. That is why the titan was designed the way it was, we'll see if that changes anything on the job site.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Perhaps it will help if we have a better understanding of what "platform" means. The Ridgeline is based on the same platform as the Ody, Pilot, and MDX. True enough. But that does not mean they share a chassis.

    In modern manufacturing, building something on the same platform means the two vehicles share certain manufacturing qualities. Here's a few examples....

    They would be about the same size (to fit on the assembly line).

    They would require (roughly) the same number of stops on the line.

    Those stops would be in a similar order.

    They can use the same robots to hold pieces together for assembly.

    I'm too lazy to look up the exact percentage (someone just posted it above), but the Ridgeline is something like 93% unique under the skin. And the skin certainly isn't shared with any other Honda.

    Now I'm sure there are compromises made to allow the Ridgeline to be built on the same lines as the Pilot. But the fact that it can haul 1,550 lbs payload (more than the BOF designs from Nissan and Toyota) certainly suggests that whatever those compromises are... they worked. The fact that the Ridgeline can autocross while loaded up also validates the design. The fact that Honda had to pull the Sport Trac off the same course (because journalists' lives were at risk driving it that way) doesn't hurt either.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    How many Sport Tracs do you see at the job site? How many of any mid-size trucks do you see there?

    That is not the target market for the Ridgeline. They are going for Harry Homeowner, not Bob the Builder.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    It is posts like this that detract from what the RL fans want to say. The truth, gonzo, is that my 2005 F-150 SuperCrew cost $33,600 (no I did not pay that much for it, but RL owners don't pay sticker, either). The redesigned (my body style) F-150 was picked for MT TOTY for 2004. Only all new trucks or totally redesigned trucks are nominated for TOTY. Next year the RL will not even be in the running for the "honor" of TOTY. Will that mean the RL is no longer a good vehicle? No, it will mean that it will be another manufacturer's turn to buy the award for use in their ad campaign. MT awards are marketing campaigns. I predict that the 2007 Chevy Silverado will win MT TOTY next year. Want to bet?
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    I applaud your ability to remain level headed. Your fellow RL fans could learn a thing or two from you.
  • My local Honda dealer is taking this problem very seriously. They have found a few places where the underside was not watertight and are sealing them. They are replacing the carpet and much insulation at no charge. My service writer said they have seen a few of these and one was unsold off the lot. Its a bummer but I guess these are the chances you take buying a first model year vehicle. Besides I leased mine so if it gets unbearable I only have to drive it for like 38 more months and they can have it back, though my intent is to buy out the lease.

    For the rest of you who don't believe this is truck. Well its got a bed so it is a truck. If I wanted a real truck I would have bought a GMC or something. I truly wanted the best of all worlds with out getting 12 mpg. I have a toddler which means I wanted safety as much as the typical truck functionality. I also have an Acura MDX which I previously mentioned and I really like the way it handles. The RL is a little more squirly at high speed but all in all its a great driving vehicle like the MDX.

    Every one needs to take a deep breath and accept that we are all different people and use our cars and trucks for our own personal needs. The guy who said something like "the real trucks are the ones found a job sites" may be right. I loved the full sized GMC product but for my needs ( I sell complex software ) I did not need a full-blown pick up but I at the same time I did want one for occasional household work which the RL is perfect for. BTW my current loaner vehicle is a Chevy Colorado 4 door 4WD and I can tell you I cannot wait to get RL back.

    Have a happy New Year.

    scowboy
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    BTW my current loaner vehicle is a Chevy Colorado 4 door 4WD and I can tell you I cannot wait to get RL back.

    Can't say that I blame you there!
  • "It is posts like this that detract from what the RL fans want to say."
    Oh come on, give me a break!
    You have been posting negatively here for weeks now expressing your unfounded ideas and opinions against this vehicle and you get 'upset' because someone post a message to you with your same type of arrogance?
    Please do us all a favor and go back to your Ford Truck board!
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    You have been posting negatively here for weeks now expressing your unfounded ideas and opinions against this vehicle

    Actually, gonzo, I've been posting here for 2 days. My ideas are not "unfounded" either. Even edmunds.com calls the RL "the truck for someone who does not need a truck" or some such thing. I thought I did a pretty good job of sticking to facts. Either way, I was not looking for a long discussion, anyway.
  • ;)
    Have a great New Year!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    You hardly ever see foreign trucks on the job site, supporting the US economy and being patriotic is one reason

    I find fault with this statement. I wouldn't buy a Ford Fusion because it was built in Mexico, so instead I bought my Honda Accord because it was made by American hands in Ohio. Don't forget, that just because the nameplate is American, it may not have been touched by Americans in the build process. The Hyundai Sonata and Honda Odyssey are built less than an hour from my house in Birmingham, Alabama. The "foreign" companies aren't floundering in the American market like America's own GM or Ford. Ford just couldn't afford to build cars in Detroit when Mexican labor is MUCH cheaper.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,691
    Aren't many Dodge Rams made in Mexico, and many F-Series pickups made in Canada?

    Bob
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    My F-150 was built in the USA. Of course, I don't know where all of them are made. Also, keep in mind that the Accord was built in the US by Americans, but the profit went back to Japan. Even though the Fusion was built in Mexico, the profit goes back to Detroit. It's a Catch-22 either way you go.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "Even though the Fusion was built in Mexico, the profit goes back to Detroit." Then they take that profit and invest it in China...

    Sorry, but anybody buying based on nationalist ideals is only hurting themselves. Eliminating good cars from their shopping list for reasons like that is just plain silly.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I agree, but was just making sure everyone knew where each car mentioned was actually made.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,901
    Even though the Fusion was built in Mexico, the profit goes back to Detroit.

    As a Ford shareholder, I wish this statement were true. The revenue may be coming to the US, but there ain't no profit.

    Don't forget those Honda employees spend their money in the US.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,370
    >Honda employees spend their money in the US

    but the company and supplier profits go to .... Honda, don't they?
  • Let me get something straight...what the heck do I care how much profit the company makes? If any of that coming back to the workers. NO! It is going back to their CEO's and rich stockholders so they can continue to get bigger salaries, bonuses and get more richer.
    It is the American worker that I care about. I want these profits to come to them and I want them to spend it here, make a decent living and be able to enjoy it with their families.
    The fact is that many of these companies are being run very poorly by bad management decisions and bigger egos.
    American buyers should be aware of certain facts when they go to purchase "American vehicles”. Like the fact that the Chevy Equinox V-6 engines are built in China, that Dodge Neon’s come from Mexico and many, many of the Fords and GM models also come from Mexico or Canada. Even many of the Harley Davidson motorcycle parts and accessories are foreign. The new HD Buell Ulysses electrical wiring harness is built in Taiwan. I bet you American consumers don’t know that the Saturn Vue V-6 engine and transmissions are built by Honda in the US by American worker. Now, who is getting ripped here? The American workers are! The CEO's and their already rich stockholders continue to make their huge salaries and profits at the expense of the American workers.
    Don’t you find it amazing that most of what we call ‘foreign car companies’ are employing Americans, have plants in the good USA, use American parts and components and are the ones putting food on American table’s everyday...unfortunately, the same cannot be said for GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc.
    This “Buy American” statement to make America better is no longer true, it's a fallacy and most people are still falling for it.
    I buy Honda products. At least I know that I’m supporting American families!
    :shades:
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,520
    Also, keep in mind that the Accord was built in the US by Americans, but the profit went back to Japan.

    Not necessarily. Depends on what the company needs at the time. They might then spend to build more plants and offices here in the US, where they will hire more american workers. Oh, and the stockholders make out, too, and you could be one of those, if you so chose.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

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