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Honda Ridgeline SUT

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,610
    The 1st gen Odyssey was hardly a "flop". Granted, the newer ones have sold a LOT better.

    There is a small but strong following for the 1st gen Odysseys. When we get a nice one as a trade, they never last long!
  • bobwhobobwho Posts: 24
    Ok, Lets post the facts. The Edmunds test vehicle had failed struts. There were water leaks in the early months, wind noise, etc. Ok, each one has been addressed by Honda. Again, this is a niche vehicle that appeals to certain owners. I realize you may not like Honda's for what ever reason like some others on this site. You have your opinion like everyone else. Myself and others have decided the Ridgeline is the type of vehicle we wanted and paid for. I love my vehicle for what it was designed for. If you and others don't like the Ridgeline or Honda, you can vent to your friends, and family, but please don't mock me or others for the choice we made. I'm sure the web host does not want to see a word battle take place here. Afterall, no vehicle
    is perfect.
  • Do not get me wrong, I liked the light agreeable 95 Odyssey but resale was poor at the time and they did move slowly even in the Isuzu form. I had a white EX and it pioneered the rear fold down seat and storage well.
    All neat. but I digress...
  • "Ridgeline had its highest sales month ever in October. Tacoma sales were actually down slightly from September to October. I guess the Tacomas are flying a little more slowly than before."

    I'd call this "flying":

    37% more Tacomas in 10/05, compared with 10/04, even with the "Big 3's" incentives...

    TOYOTA RETAIL SALES
    (INCLUDES FLEET & HAWAII)
    October, 2005

    ----- CURRENT MONTH ----- -- CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE --
    DSR % DSR %
    2005 2004 CHG 2005 2004 CHG


    4X2 TACOMA 8,406 5,914 47.6 83,425 78,796 6.7
    4X4 TACOMA 6,080 5,069 24.6 56,175 51,426 10.1
    TOTAL TACOMA 14,486 10,983 37.0 139,600 130,222 8.0
    TUNDRA 8,919 9,448 -2.0 100,005 92,075 9.5
    TOTAL PICKUP 23,405 20,431 19.0 239,605 222,297 8.6
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Interesting. About 60% of the October Tacomas were 4x2s.

    In October Toyota sold 6,080 4x4 Tacomas. Honda sold 4,974 AWD Ridgelines. That's a whole lot closer than I would have expected.
  • "Interesting. About 60% of the October Tacomas were 4x2s"

    That's exactly why I think Honda would sell a lot more Ridgelines if a 4x2 model, with better mileage and a lower price, were available.

    Remember Toyota also offers the PreRunner, the ultimate poseur truck! :D The PreRunner has a 4x4 stance, style and even the TRD option package, with a 2 wheel drive price. There are LOTS of PreRunners sold every year.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    The problem is, if Honda offered a 2WD version, that would mean FWD, and not RWD. FWD is not the best way to go with a pickup.

    Right after the Ridgeline was introduced I suggested they offer a "Cargo Cab" version, sans the rear seat and with rubber floor covering. That would cut costs quite a bit, and address those who don't want or need a rear seat. They could also offer a version with just the 1/3-section of the rear seat, deleting the 2/3-section. That would cut costs too, yet give at least one more passenger capability. Or, just make the rear seats optional on base-level models.

    I still think that's a good solution, and I would rather them do that than cut the AWD.

    Bob
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I agree that a less expensive/decontented Ridgeline would reach many more customers. I also agree with Bob, though. A FWD Ridgeline would be seriously handicapped. Better that they remove some of the other hardware to cut costs.

    My suggestion was to remove (or shrink) the rear seat and push the back wall of the cab forward to create a longer bed. They would leave the buttresses and roof in place. It would just mean the forward half of the bed would be under a "shelter".
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    My suggestion was to remove (or shrink) the rear seat and push the back wall of the cab forward to create a longer bed. They would leave the buttresses and roof in place. It would just mean the forward half of the bed would be under a "shelter".

    That would also mean removing the rear doors and redesigning the rear-quarter windows, which could be a rather expensive re-engineering job, wouldn't it?

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    which is sort of a combination of Varmint's idea and mine would be to offer the Cargo Cab (with no rear seat), but also give it a Subaru Baja-like switchback midgate, that would fold forward for those longer loads. The rear window and bulkhead would remain fixed (like the Baja) for added rigidity.

    Bob
  • how 'bout the Cargo Cab Baja-like mid gate w/rear seat?

    Add 24 mpg as highway mpg and it would be improving both functionality and value.

    John
  • jay_24jay_24 Posts: 536
    So if Honda offers a 2WD, and a Cargo Cab version. do they really cut costs? Sure each truck might cost less, but the re-design and added manufacturing costs. One small sheet metal change means 100's of thousands of dollars for new stamping dies.

    I've watched Ford Rangers being assembled. 2wd, 4wd, quad cab, club cab, regular cab... all go down the same line. It just adds a few more stations where options may or may not be put on.

    So over all production costs will go up some. You sell a lesser priced truck with maybe a lesser profit magin. So do you make more, less, or the same money in the end?

    --jay
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Yeah, but that would make it more expensive, not less expensive, than the current models.

    Bob
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "That would also mean removing the rear doors and redesigning the rear-quarter windows, which could be a rather expensive re-engineering job, wouldn't it?"

    Nah, just weld 'em shut, paint 'em all orange, and stick an 01 decal on the side. It'll help reach the target market, too.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Jay, you make a good point. I once heard a lecture/presentation by an auto exec and he made a similar point this way.

    He asked, "What's the most important consideration when designing a car door?"

    The audience tossed out "crash safety", "large windows", "weight", and other ideas.

    He stopped them and said, "The panels must be stackable". Apparently, if it can't be stacked the shipping costs will would triple.
  • Hello all,

    I never thought I would be typing this,but I really like the utility of the Ridgeline,and may think about getting one in the next year or so.I currently own a 92 Dodge Ram 3/4 ton club cab 2wd with the awesome Cummins turbo diesel engine,and a 5 speed transmission.It currently has 235,000 miles on it,and it runs as good now as it did when it was new.I love the diesel,and would love to get a new truck with a diesel,but I really don't need such a big truck.We tow our Hybrid Jayco Kiwi trailer camper,which I think weighs in at around 4000lbs,and tows behind my diesel without even knowing it is back there.I love my truck,and its performance,but if we decide to have another child the truck isn't going to be easy to live with on camping trips.The old Dodges like I have never had bench seats in the rear of the club cab,but I installed an aftermarket bench in it so that my son can ride in the middle of the rear bench seat.I think if we need another car seat in the rear of the truck it will be really tough to do especially a rear facing child seat for the first year or so.I like the idea of the independent suspension all around,and the truck in the bed along with a decent sized rear seat for the car seats.I wish honda offered a diesel option(as well as other small or midsized truck manufacturers),but if the Ridgeline will tow my camper relativly easy then I will think about getting a non-diesel.I read that Honda claims the ridgline can tow 5000 lbs,but how does it do on hilly roads and such?I owned a 99 Mazda B4000 back in 99 that towed my camper,and although it was rated at 6000lbs towing the engine was really working hard on the expressway,and was not fun to tow with.The Mazda was only rated at 160 hp though,and wasn't the lightest truck around.How does the Ridgeline tow with the 235 hp engine?Would a dealer allow me to bring my trailer up and try it out if I wanted to do so?Sorry for being longwinded.Thanks in advance.

    Chris
    early production(5/78)Mazda 79 RX-7 GS
    92 Dodge Ram Cummins turbo deisel
    74 Mazda RE/PU
  • Towing 4000 lbs and you will know it's back there when compared to a 3/4 ton pickup.

    Towing my pop up (2500lbs) is very stable and smooth, acceleration is a bit slow but not bad.

    If you get the Ridgeline, get the rear camera.... I hitch up spot on every time!
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    While the tranny coolers and such are standard equipment, the hitch is not. So you'd have to find a dealer who has already installed a hitch on the Ridgeline if they are going to let you tow with it on a test drive. And, to be quite honest, I think that's doubtful.

    Go in, take one for a spin, and see if you like it. If you do, place a deposit. Then maybe they'll let you go for a tow.
  • Actually, towing probably isn't a good idea on a engine and tranny that isn't broken in. I don't tow with my Ridgeline, but there's alot of RL owners at the Ridgeline Owners Club that have (google it). They all seem very pleased with its towing performance. Some of them have given pretty good in depth reviews.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,614
    on the right side of the screen is starting to bug me(sorry). it reminds me of that song "you've got mud on your face, you big...". :(
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