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Nissan Titan Maintenance and Repair

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    The brakes don't fail, they get juddery, as a race car driver on the road I leave plenty of room for failures of systems. Like I said if they got juddery and couldn't be fixed, putting in aftermarket calipers and rotors are way way less than $3k, more along the lines of $1k so I'd still be $2k ahead of the game.

    -mike
  • Its ok, you don't understand the reality of the brake problem or even how brakes work. But you saved $3000.00. Nissan sent out 1 recall and 4 Technical Service Bulltins, and still didn't fix the problem. You know why? Because brake judder is a hugh defect that occurs because brakes work off kinetic energy increasing with the square of the velocity (E = ½m·v2 relationship). This means that if the speed of a vehicle doubles, it has four times as much energy. The brakes must therefore dissipate four times as much energy to stop it and consequently the braking distance is four times as long. Uneven wear or warping won't been solved by simply replacing the calipers and rotors. But just think of that $3000 your saving when your vehicle is shaking so violently that you lose control, and your slamming into that family sedan because your brakes did not produce enough heat and friction to stop in a timely matter because of a hugh design flaw. Nissan should put that in their ADs.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I've installed more brakes (Upwards of 500+ cars) and I know how brakes work very well. The brake judder doesn't happen suddenly, it happens progressively, so when it STARTS to have the sign of judder you then start looking for either a Nissan fix or your own fix. I know brakes work trust me.

    -mike
  • Let me get out my duct tape, so I can save more money on my defective braking systems. Right, Mike? Because its all about that bottomline, you cares about the risk, and properly engineering effective brakes (size, materials, functioning) in the first place. Just put a band-aid on them and pocket $3000. Great philosophy, Mike.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Band-aid? Hmm I guess you never looked at my profile, I've installed, engineered and done extensive brake testing on race cars. A properly upgraded 4 or 6 pot system with larger rotors on the Titan or Armada can be had for between $1000-2000 along with upgraded pads. I wouldn't call that a band-aid fix at all. Do your homework before you attack my character and what I consider a "fix".

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    On a brief search I found the Stillen kit for ~$1300

    http://www.stillen.com/product.asp?id=BPBRKIT2P&c=BR

    Here is one for $3k which is what got knocked off my purchase (below dealer invoice) 6-pot AP Racing Calipers and 15" Rotors:
    http://www.stillen.com/product.asp?id=APBRKIT6P&c=BR

    And this was just a quick search.

    -mike
  • Yep, band-aid fix because you would already be addressing symptoms versus underlining issues. Because you stated replacing calipers and rotors, in many of the Nissan brake problems does not solve the problem. It just quickly addresses the symptoms, and sends the customers on their way, thinking their problem is solved, only to return with the same problem. And for example a common underlining cause to brake judder is axle alignment. But you can't honestly beleive that Nissan corrects that defect, they patch your problem, get you out of the warranty period, so you can spend money later to get that problem fixed.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    ok you are off your rocker. The problem with the brakes is the same as EVERY SINGLE JAPANESE manufacturer who produces a larger heavier vehicle and starts selling it in the united states...

    Sequoia/Tundra when it first came out had undersized brakes for 2 years, many recalls due to undersized brakes
    Subaru SVX again heavier than their normal cars brakes were undersized for the vehicle
    Honda Pilot/Oddesy Minivan Many many brake issues the first 2 years they were out

    I could go on and on.

    The problem is undersized rotors/calipers/poor pad material for the speed and weight of the vehicles. They address this with larger rotors, different pads etc.

    -mike
  • The judder phenomenon can be classified into two distinct subgroups; they are Hot (Thermal) or Cold Judder.

    Hot judder is usually produced as a result of longer more moderate braking from high speed where the vehicle does not come to a complete stop. It commonly occurs when a motorist decelerates from speeds of around 120-km/h to about 60-km/h, which results in severe vibrations being transmitted to the driver. These vibrations are the result of uneven thermal distributions believed to be the result of phenomena called Hot Spots. Hot Spots are classified as concentrated thermal regions that alternate between both sides of a disc that distort it in such a way that produces a sinusoidal waviness around its edges. Once the brake pads (friction material / brake lining) comes in contact with the sinusoidal surface during braking severe vibrations are induced as a result and can produce hazardous conditions for the person driving the vehicle.

    Cold judder on the other hand is the result of uneven disc wear patterns or DTV. These variations in the disc surface are usually the result of extensive vehicle road usage. DTV is usually attributed to the following causes; waviness of rotor surface, misalignment of axis (Runout), elastic deflection, thermal distortion, wear and friction material transfers.
  • rengawrengaw Posts: 22
    Mike....do you know if and when Nissan actually ungraded the brakes and/or differentials so it would be a long time fix. Or are they planning on doing so in future models. Be interesting to see what changes the 2008 model will have addressing past problems.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I had the "final" kit put on my 04 Armada at 3,000 miles in mid-summer of 05, right around when the late 05s were finished being built. I now have 38k miles on my truck and haven't had any abnormal wear on the brakes since 3k miles. I tow a 6,000lb car trailer and a 6,000lb boat trailer with it at highway or above speeds. I am also a race car driver so even my "daily driving" is a bit more aggressive than the average driver.

    Seems they have licked it with the last upgrade done. I will start towing a 9000lb Performance Boat trailer (triple Axle) in a few weeks and will report back how it handles it and how the brakes hold up.

    -mike
  • Produce a vehicle, sell it, than engineer the brake system through trail and error. Sounds backward and unsafe to me.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Then I suppose you have to put down Honda, Toyota, Subaru, and just about any other Japanese manufacturer who has produced a heavy vehicle in the past 20 years.

    -mike
  • Nissan is light-years behind Toyota and Honda in terms of engineering and producing a quality, reliable, and safe product. Nissan is in the Flintstone era, which probably has a better braking systems than Nissan put on the Titan / Armada, whereas Toyota and Honda are in the Jetson era; "Ruh-roh! Nissan"
  • tony48tony48 Posts: 7
    wow, back up the bus(make that back-up the most impressive full size vehicle of the century). first of all toyota could not even shine nissan titan's wheels until 2007 in the full size pick-up truck department. and from what i hear the jury is still out with the new tundra. honda couldn't and still can't-ridgeline......give me a brake. speaking of brakes yeah titan had it's problems but mine has been fixed for two years now and haven't given me a single problem since. in fact i have had absolutely no problems with my 2004 that i purchased right out of the box in jan 2004! i read consumer reports they have always been consistent in my opinion, but as you can imagine my opinion of them isn't too good. anyway sorry to hear of the bad news regarding nissan, maybe i just got lucky, but after looking extensively at every other full size vehicle and past expierence with dodge/chevy and ford i am real happy with the titan.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Tony I think that you and I must have the most luck of anyone, at least according to the nay-sayers. Guess we should hitup Atlantic City!

    -mike
  • Between my two, 2004 Nissans, they were repaired 66 times between 6 dealerships, and were still junk. Thats a pretty poor service record; you can post what you want. But thats a fact, and I kept all my service records. Buying Nissan is like hitting double zero, on the roulette wheel, the house just takes all the money, but ocasionally if you take high risk you can win.
    Your welcome to come test drive my lemon Nissan vehicle before buy-buck in a couple of weeks, if it will run; you have a 50-50 shot, you have to be careful has the transmission takes a few seconds to slip into first gear. And if the BCM faults again after having been replaced 5 times, the gauges stop working, drive carefully has you won't be able to tell your speed or RPMs, or fuel level. Also, even though I am on my 4th brake system, there is still a judder. Also my rear axle is leaking fluid because of a busted seal. It also seems mis-aligned. My 4x4 also won't engage, so please don't take it off-road. Also be careful has the window regulators have been replaced after the window fall into the door. Also my passenager door handle has broken off. I also just had my engine harness replaced.
    At least the BBB agreed this was a junky vehicle when I towed the vehicle to the arbitration hearing, and so did Nissan conceding and not presenting their defense. Also on my first one, Nissan just gave up trying to fix it, and volunteerly bought it back stating "unable to repair." Two Nissan 04 vehicles and two lemons, each fully serviced through the dealership (oil changes/scheduled maintenance), each with low miles, and well taken care of.
  • KCRam@EdmundsKCRam@Edmunds Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,495
    any one specific vehicle has successive and repeated failures doesn't make the model or the manufacturer junk. I had enough problems with my last F-150 (1993), and I chose to buy a Dodge Ram to replace it. But that was ONE bad F-150.

    Let's agree to disagree on the perception of Nissan, guys.

    kcram - Pickups Host

    KCRam - Pickups/Wagons/Vans+Minivans Moderator

  • Host, sorry to hear about your F-150. What about 2 2004 Nissan consective vehicles with 66 repairs between them in 2 years time frame? No offense, but I personally draw the line somwehere. Even, if you correct the defects in later models, you still sell thousands of defective vehicles in the new release year. It also hard for me to believe that Nissan didn't know about the brake defect before releasing the vehicle, mine was evident in less than 3 months. I think that defines a manufacturer, and no manufacturer is flawless, but no consumer should have to put up with 66 repairs, often repeated repairs, that is extremely excessive.
  • thebunkthebunk Posts: 6
    I am tired of his constant repeating of the same sad story. It's not a
    vehicle he needs it's therapy. He has won his BBB hearing and will be paid for his losses but that isn't enough in his eyes, it's his personal Jihad against Nissan and his dealer.

    It is to bad that he had a truck that wasn't right for him but he has gone thru the system to get releif and the system worked but he still goes on and on and on.

    These forums are meant to help us ask and share and learn but his domination of any point and question is making the forums a joke.

    At this point he needs to accept the facts of what happened and also accept that anything man-made brakes. All manufactures have issues
    Nissan is working to make the Titan better and the truck made today
    and the 2008 has many parts and systems that are different then those from 3 or 4 years ago.

    I have owned f150's and Rangers and Dodges and the Titan is the best truck i have ever owned. It has a unique look and driving personality
    I have had a great dealer experience and will be getting a 2008.

    But i am sure that razerthunder will responded to this message with the same tired rants that have lost any meaning. Hopefully not and we can all live in the hear and now.
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