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Toyota Camry 2005 Facelift

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  • bklynguybklynguy Posts: 275
    The Optitron gauges look nice (Lexus-like),
    front grille also makes it look more like the ES330 (Standard,LE,XLE)

    2.4-liter DOHC
    16-valve VVT-i
    4-cylinder
    160 hp @
    5,700 rpm
    163 lb.-ft. @
    4,000 rpm

    in combination with the 5-speed, should go 0-60 under 9 secs.
    XM Radio is now a dealer-installed option.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    I don't believe leather can be had with the 4 cylinder SE anymore. The metallic gauge cluster has been dropped as well.
  • slov98slov98 Posts: 112
    overall pretty good, not a big exterior change,I'm not sure I like the tailights, controls on the steering wheel and new gauges are nice
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Overall, I am pleased. The new instrumentation, coupled with the upgraded steering wheel and covered center stack bin, make the interior far more inviting, IMO. I like that the fuel and temperature guages now flank the speedo and tach, instead of being inside these meters.

    I think the new 17 inch alloys on the SE, as well as the new SE grille.. are awesome. Verdict is out as far as the tailights, and Im not sure what I think of the Standard/LE/XLE grille yet. The new XLE/XLE V6 alloys are sharp (they look remarkably similar, if not the same as, the alloys on the 2004 Limited Edition).

    160 horses is more appealing on paper than 157, but that alone will not contribute to any performance difference. As noted above, the 5 speed transmission will do more for acceleration, so I'm interested to see new tests on that combination. I hope the EPA figures are posted soon, it would be great to see the 2.4L/5A gain one or two MPG over the 4 speed unit (this would push fuel economy to 25/34).

    I am confused as to the alloy wheel option for the SE 4- is it the same as the 2002-2004 models?

    coolguy- Im not really about the silver-trim instrumentation being dropped from the SE line, IMO, it wasnt that attractive. Optitron is very sweet, especially in comparison.

    I'm hoping that Toyota makes a reasonable number of vehicles available with the Side Airbags/Curtains; VSC option, and doesnt restrict it to certain trim lines.

    The 2005 Camry that offers the best value, IMO:
    SE 4 cyl 5A with Side Airbags/Curtains & VSC, Convenience Pkg B, alloys and rear spoiler.

    The Standard is also a screaming deal, if you can live with the ugly black mirrors and unavailability of options- for $1100 less than the LE at MSRP, all you really give up are the aforementioned color-keyed mirrors, 8-10 way adjustable power drivers seat, keyless entry, and full size spare tire.

    ~alpha
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    They should have made the 3.3L engine as an option for the LE and XLE models. That's the only fly in the ointment
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    Looks like ABS is not standard on all Camrys - it is an option on the Standard. I am happy it is standard on the LE though.

    Looked some more, and there is a conflict. ABS is listed as standard for the standard model, but it is also listed as an available option as well.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    I don't think that the optitron gauges are as wowing when they aren't the bright white color (as compared to the SE's amber color).
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    Yes I like the bright white better as well - more contrast. Didn't like the silver gauges in the old SE for the same reason.
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    The cosmetic update is great. Especially the gauges look a lot better than the 02-04 models. I like the front grille of the SE. But one wonders why Toyota still kept the somewhat antiquated 3.0 engine. 210 Hp isn't going to give you too much bragging rights compared to the Altima and Accord. But then again 80% of the buyers opt for the 4 cylinder and it is nice to know Toyota made significant improvement to the transmission.
  • lok888lok888 BostonPosts: 1,778
    It is standard on all Camry. But the VSC and traction control are not aviable on Standard. Oh! They listed ABS (with side airbags) is an option on Standard on OPTIONS section. Which is right??

    I agreed with several posters. I don't quite like the tail light. They relocated the backup lights to the bottom of the tail light lens assembles and leave a red tail light/stop light in the middle. And, still no foldable side mirrors.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    ABS is standard on all Camrys. VSC is optional on all but the Standard. The only option for the standard is Side Curtain Airbags.

    ~alpha
  • bklynguybklynguy Posts: 275
    any ideas on how Toyota could have made the tail-lights better (they don't look that bad, I've seen worse)

    I think Toyota did a great job with the 05 update, I'm sure some 04 owners wish they had waited.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    I love the new Corolla tail lights! I think it's one of the best of todays sedans. Why don't copy that to the Camry?

    BTW, I think to locate the backup lamps at the bottom is actually a good idea. It gives you more light when backing up in the dark.
  • I noticed you worked at a dealership and I was wondering if you can mail me a Toyota 2005 Camry Brochure if you can get your hands on one. My soon to be ex-husband will not drive me to a Toyota dealership and we only have one vehicle. It's a 2003 Honda Odyssey, yuck!!! I am interested in the SE V6 with leather and Navigation. I'm glad I didn't get a 2004 but I know I could get a really good deal if I went with this year's model. I just really don't care for the metallic-style sport gauges and would prefer the simulated bird's eye maple dash applique. I live in Iowa and Forte Dodge is out of stock of brochures (if I wanted a mailed brochure). Well anyway, let me know, o-tay? Thanks.

    ~kissamer1969
  • slov98slov98 Posts: 112
    did you try the toyota website? or try calling another dealership to see if they will mail you one
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I'd be really happy to help you out if I did work at a dealership, but I dont, so Im sorry if I said something that lead you to believe that.

    2005 brochures will probably be available in a few weeks, there is often a lag vs. when the information is posted on Toyota's website.

    Your best bet would be to call 800-GO-TOYOTA and explain to the rep that you'd like to be mailed the 2005 brochure when it becomes available.

    ~alpha
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,902
    If you're really interested in this vehicle, you might also check out our Toyota Vehicle Detail Pages and order an InfoPak on the 05 Camry.

    Since this vehicle is listed as a "new" rather than "future" vehicle now, we'll close this discussion in about a week.

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  • lok888lok888 BostonPosts: 1,778
    My first impression of the new tail lights design is like they put a masking tape at the top and bottom of the clear lens assemble and paint the middle in red. I like the tail lights on Avalon better, only if they can extend the red reflectors to the trunk lid.

    It looks the small circle (near the grill) inside the headlight lens assemble is for daytime running lights. So, the DRL, high beam, low beam and turn signal.
  • alpha01

             I'm so sorry, I thought in the past post's, you worked at a Toyota Dealership. It must of been somebody else but you seem to know about these Camrys. I have to give you that. I will look back or if you know of someone who works at one. I already tried the website and the 800 number but I refuse to pay for a brochure. I'm sorry if I insulted you in any way. Thanks for responding.
    ~kissamer1969
  • lok888lok888 BostonPosts: 1,778
    My first impression of the new tail lights design is like they put a masking tape at the top and bottom of the clear lens assemble and paint the middle in red. I like the tail lights on Avalon better, only if they can extend the red reflectors to the trunk lid.

    It looks the small circle (near the grill) inside the headlight lens assemble is for daytime running lights. So, the DRL, high beam, low beam and turn signal.
  • I think the tail lights look awsome but I have not seen the car in person but only on that Japan site. I also like the new dark blue but like I said before the computer picture can be deceiving. But if I get a 2004 SE V6, it would be black. Anyway, I'm new here so bare with me. Thanks.
    ~kissamer1969
  • toycashtoycash Posts: 139
    ABS is definitely standard on all Camry for 2005. The Options page on Toyota's website is wrong.

    As far as I know, brochures have not been sent to dealers yet. You can also download the brochures from Toyota's website, but they have not posted the 2005 one yet.
  • Hey, sorry for the mix up. You are the one who works at a Toyota Dealership. You said I can download a brochure from the Toyota Site?? Ok, cool. I have been at the Janpanese Site and I have been looking at those pictures, WOW!!! I really like the 2005 Camry's a lot better since they did change the SE inside some. I have a question for you though, say I went with a 4-cylinder instead of a V6, since I have not test drove one yet, is there that much of a difference between the 4 and the 6??? I was also looking at a Honda Accord EX V6 and it had more horses but I have always thought Toyota was more on the classy side (Lexus look and feel). I also noticed the seats are made better in the Camry's compared to the Honda's (I have an Odyssey, 2003, Black with leather). I find I am not comfortable in those seats due to a bad back. Anyway, when you get a chance, can you please reply. Thanks.
    ~kissamer1969
  • hank2hank2 Posts: 75
    I am not a dealer, but I just bought a 2004 4Cyl SE in the Dallas Ft. Worth area, where we live on the highway. My previous was a 1989 4 Cyl Camry.

    I feel that the 2004 4Cyl has adequate power and I like the 30+ MPG.

    On the other hand, the V6 has power to spare, but it is a trade-off with cost and MPG.

    That said, there were other differences on the 2004 that were not important to me, but that you may consider. I don't have nay facts, but I believe that the V6 is more solidly built and may have a better feel to it. I think VSC is easier to get with the V6. Finally, I think that Toyota put more care into the V6 Sports Edition, because they expected that more of the SE customers would prefer the greater power and handling.

    I commute 30 miles in a straight line, so the extra handling wasn't important to me. Also, since the majority of my driving is Highway, MPG is more important than acceleration. I got the SE because I felt is was the best value for the safety features that I wanted at the time.

    FWIW,

    - hank2
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    Can you get an LE Camry with the Manual tranny? When you look on the web site it is listed as one of the models, but when you try to build one, it is not available (I tried several zip codes). Is this vaporware to get the LE base price artificially low? I don't care about the full size spare so much, or even the power seats, but the keyless entry would sure be nice to have, as would the cassette player (libraries tend to not have many books on CD).
  • lok888lok888 BostonPosts: 1,778
    I bought my wife a 2003 Camry SE (4 cycle) last summer to replace the old Accord. She really loves the car and its equipments. But she sometime feels it is underpowered when going uphill. I agree with hank2 about the cost for SE V6 (probably $2K more) and gas mileage.
  • lok888lok888 BostonPosts: 1,778
    I have a feeling you may have to wait a long time to get a LE Camry with 5-speed transmission. I believe they only build few % of these. You may have more luck on SE 5-speed but with high price tag. The AM/FM/Cassette/CD and keyless entry are standard on LE.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    As long as you can get an SE without the sunroof that could work. I also prefer the gauges and spoiler free trunk of the LE. I will look into that.

    How hard would it be for a dealer to add keyless entry to a Standard?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The standard stereo on the Camry Standard, LE, and SE for 2005 is now a 6 speaker, single disc CD player. The Cassette player is optional as part of the JBL packages for the LE and SE models, and standard on the XLE, which feature the JBL 3 in 1 AM/FM Cassette 6 Disc In Dash CD changer. The Cassette player is unavailable from the factory on the Standard models, but probably available as a dealer installed accessory.

    Regarding the V6 vs. the 4: The 4 should feel more responsive and post better 0-60 times by (completely my estimate) about a half a second, thanks to the new 5 speed automatic. Fuel economy will be even better than the 2004 4 clyinder/ 4 speed auto's already impressive 23/32.

    Regarding the LE 5M: Don't forget that what is showing on the buyatoyota.com site is just the likely initial allocation to each zip code/dealer region. There are still a lot of 2004s around that need to be sold, so once those are gone, Id expect there to be wider availability of more 2005 Camry models. If you arent constrained, you can always look into having a dealership make a preference request for you. (I know very little about this process, but basically, from my understanding, its the closest that Toyota will come to "ordering" your car.)

    ~alpha
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