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New 2005 Altima: Interior and other info

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  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    personally, i agree that these options should be standard...or at least easier to find.

    however...

    when dealers research the equipment on the cars they sell in order to compile an order that will sell, they do it in a scientific way...

    last time we had an altima with the ABS package, it sat here for 6 months. noone wanted to pay extra for it. this is why manufacturers like special orders. 6-8 weeks and you have EXACTLY what you want.

    ramped...you are just like many of my customers...you want the car that isnt available immediately...and you want it NOW!!! personally, i dont follow the logic.
  • ramped1ramped1 Posts: 159
    I don't want anything right now. Not even shopping. When I do go out to buy, I always find the car I want on a lot within a few miles and buy it. Not interested in dealer trades and orders anymore. Too many unknowns pop up. I'm just saying, and you agree, that the safety equipment should be standard.

    Maybe the reason the ABS/bags car sat on the lot for six months is that it had other options that people didn't want. When I do see an Altima with the bags package, it us usually loaded with leather, roof, the works. Who knows why some cars don't sell? I find it hard to believe that the thousand or so the ABS package costs would make a car unsellable, but you are in the trenches, so I'll take your word for it.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    Because.

    A) ABS should be standard anyway. You shouldn't have to pay EXTRA for safety features.

    B) The car is already expensive in the first place, so adding ABS to the car would only make the price higher.

    For example, I was calculating my car payments over at Cars.com. The Accord similarly equipped is in some cases $1000-$2000 cheaper than the comparable Altima, and yet it has some features that aren't offered on the Altima.

    Now, the Altima for the most part has the power driver's seat (Conv. pkg for S), Xenons available on the SE and standard on the 3.5SL, BUT, the Accord offers dual-zone climate control, a power passenger's seat on the EXV6 sedan and has better resale value.

    This decision gets tougher and tougher.

    I have to keep pricing in mind because I will be going off to college in the fall and the lower the payments, the better.

    With what I want to put down, the Accord EX-L will run me about $199 a month for 60 months, while the Altima 2.5SL will run me nearly $225 a month. Not much of a difference, but a DIFFERENCE. If you know what I mean.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    is that I am not particularly crazy about the styling of the sedan.

    The coupe looks nice, however, but it is just too small for someone as big as me.

    Also, from Carsdirect.com, the Mazda6 is cheaper than the Accord or Altima because of rebates, so payments for a M6 would be even lower.

    My three choices are down to the Accord, Altima and 6. I did consider the Passat, but the Altima's price is already pushing it, and the Passat is more expensive than the Altima comparably equipped.

    I am trying to make myself like the Accord for the sake of its value, reliablity, refinement (Interior is incredible, adjustable headrest,etc.) and resale value. However, I smile when I think about the Mazda6 and especially the Altima.

    The interior was the only thing that kept me from getting the Altima back in 2002, and even though the interior of the 2005 is a VAST improvement over the 2002-04s, it still isn't quite on the Accord's level. It's damn near close though.

    I have been roaming these boards since the hey day of the 2000 Nissan Maxima. Now that I have finally gotten my shot at getting a new car, the decision becomes much harder.
  • 6thbeatle6thbeatle Posts: 180
    way ta go nissan fer making the altima better! itz on my shoppin list now, beside the mazda 6 wagon, buick lacrosse and mazda mpv sport.

    hey Maxx:

    if you've got to make yourself like something, don't get it. that's been my experience with cars, clothes, guitars and relationships. if you like the mazda 6 and altima the best, choose one of those man.

    i'm looking at the mazda 6 wagon myself, but i still cannot decide between 2 or 3 final choices. the mazdas are priced pretty good tho, huh? i'll reserve judgement til the test drive.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    I was checking out Mazdausa.com and I noticed the new Mazda6 wagon and hatchback.

    I thought I would like the hatch the best, but I actually like the wagon better than the sedan or the hatchback.

    The pics they have are really nice. I was looking through my Motortrend Magazine (April Issue) and I noticed they had a brief write up on the hatch/wagon versions.

    The wagon looks the best IMO.

    As for right now, the Altima is my first choice, even though it is the most expensive so far, and is somewhat overpriced.

    I can get a fully loaded Accord EXV6 for almost the same price as a loaded 2.5S with SL pkg, ABS and moonroof.
  • rampedramped Posts: 358
    Ah, to be young and with enough bucks in your pocket to buy a new car.

    Just by reading your posts over the past year or so, you seem pretty set on a sporty sedan, primarily the Altima. I see you are now thinking about the Accord, which is a wise move on your part. It is the best all around midsize sedan for the price. Period. I almost bought one over the Christmas break, but I backed off for the same reason you did - didn't like the sedan's styling. And I'm almost a 50-year old gomer with two kids. So I know where you are coming from.

    At your age, if I can remember back that far, cars are meant for fun (and, of course reliabilty and safety, which you seem to have carefully considered).

    So, going solely by the fun factor, I would think you would be happier in the Altima or the MZ6 than an Accord. Remember, at your age, you have plenty of time to buy the responsible grown up sedan. My advice: Get the hottest-looking wheels you can and have fun, dude!
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    Did any of you see that the Altima SE-R will debut at NYIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This info can be found over at Nissannews.com

    I am so darn confused now.

    However, Ramped, the Accord has EXCELLENT value and EXCELLENT resale value.

    I wish I could take the best of the Accord and the best of the Altima and make it into ONE car.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,837
    max, if you're going to school, you're obviously going to be concerned about repair costs and, of course, out-of-commission time in the shop. Clearly, this makes your move away from the Passat a good one in several regards. Have you done the True Cost to Own on the models you're considering?

    It sounds like all 3 that you're considering are good choices. My personal experience with Mazda reliability & driving fun was fantastic.

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  • bobcatmanbobcatman Posts: 51
    One thing about the Accord is that it doesn't excel in one area per se, but is good in almost every area. Which makes it tough to top.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    Refinement.

    Has some of the best handling in this class. Mazda6 is the only car that really beats it handling wise.

    Has the best interior in the class.

    Has the most features and the lowest price compared to most of the competition.

    Has the highest resale value in the class.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    I haven't used the True Cost feature yet. I didn't even think about using it as a matter of fact.

    However, I will use it tonight. The Passat is one of the most beautiful cars on the road (though it is getting long in the tooth) but for what VW wants to charge me, it isn't that great of a value.

    Also, it lacks many convenience features..(CD changer, power driver's seat on GLS models, etc.)

    The Accord, Mazda6 and Altima continue to dominate my list, though I want to see what all the Altima SE-R talk is all about.

    I have a feeling that the SE-R will be too expensive anyway. Don't get me started on insurance costs.

    I am going to probably end up with an Altima....S or SE...
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    I went out tonight and I looked at all the cars again, and even though the Altima cost the most, that is the car I am going to get.

    I spent so much time look over those cars tonight. It almost didn't make sense.

    For the sake of keeping a decent budget,I am going for the S with Premium Convenience pkg. and ABS/SAB/SAC pkg. with the 5spd manual.

    I enjoyed looking at the Accord as well, but it just doesn't do it for me.

    The Mazda6 is nice as well, but that body kit is just a bit too much IMO.

    I like the Altima for it's conservative, yet sporty looks.

    The interior is great as well, better than the Mazda6, but a little less refined and techy compared to the Accord.

    A nice trade-off IMO.
  • jumpnjoejumpnjoe Posts: 34
    I hope you like your Altima. I was making the same decision. The Mazda lost out because it is a little smaller (and i'm a little bigger) although I easily liked its exterior the best and it handled well. I was going for the V6 either way. For me, it came down to price and options. The Altima was fun to drive, but so wasn't the Accord. Both are very fast. I test drove the Accord just to eliminate it and couldn't beleive I could get 6 disc changer, sunroof, XM radio, ABS, Traction control, side airbags, leather for a $1,000 more than the base Altima V6. 3.9 financing didn't hurt either. I'm going with the Accord and will add the spoiler and fog lights and still be much less than a Altima with either the sport package or leather package never mind both. The Accord was still a lot of fun to drive and quite honestly don't think I would ever get to use the 20 extra horses in the Altima. I think I'd be happy with either (especially compared to my 95 Saturn). I take delivery Friday. Can't wait.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,505
    I noticed while looking at a couple of '05 3.5 Altimas that the EPA highway number is significantly improved. 29 on the Nissan web site, but I thought I saw 30 on the window stickers.

    In either case, that's pretty impressive. Lemme see 29 MPG times 20 gallons = 580 miles range (less a few miles, to insure against walking or pushing it to the nearest gas station . . .)

    Cheers,
    - Ray
    If it was not FWD . . .
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    i agree about your price point. honda does something there that neither toyota nor nissan do. i sold hondas for 2 years, and nissans now. even now, if i were in the market for a v6, i think the accord would be the one to go with for me. in 4-cyl. trim, im partial to the altima.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    The in V6 form, the Accord is the BEST sedan in the class. Bar none.

    In 4 cylinder form, it depends. The Accord EX with cloth lacks a few features (power driver's seat) that the Altima and Camry have either optional or standard.

    However, when you equipt the EX with the leather, you get all kinds of features (dual-zone climate control, power driver's seat, XM radio, etc.) and that. The EX-L is a GREAT value.

    But in all honesty, all trim levels of the Accord or a great value, including the low-selling LXV6.

    I just can't get over how much better the Altima looks than the Accord, that is why I have to get the Altima.

    The MPG on the stickers of all the 3.5 models I saw lately show gas mileage as 20/30 for automatic models. 19/27 for the 5spd. manual.
  • jumpnjoejumpnjoe Posts: 34
    I agree with you Max, if I was choosing by exteriors, I like the Altima better too. Both me and my friends will see the car more from the inside and there the accord easily wins.

    However, I may be asking this car to last me for a while and the Altima's distinctive styling may not age as well as the Accord's more conservative look.

    They are both great cars. Enjoy your Altima. When are you getting it?
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Although I plan to get an Accord EX-V6 soon, I hate the shift area, which looks like what a econonbox from the 80's had. The shift area of the Altima 3.5SL is leagues ahead of the Accord, both in looks and quality.
  • carpeoplecarpeople Posts: 36
    I actually like the I-4 Accord better than I-4 Altima, and V6 Alti over V6 Accord. Two major reasons;

    Honda's I-4 is more refined than the Alti's
    5spd compared to 4spd auto, not to mention how much I like Honda's 5spd auto.

    But when you go to V6, Altima just does it for me.
  • jumpnjoejumpnjoe Posts: 34
    I couldn't agree more about the shift area on the accord. It reminds me a lot of the 95 Saturn that I traded in. It is the only thing I don't love about my new car. You'll love it. Probably would love the Altima too, but the options get a lot more expensive.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    I was supposed to have gone to Atlanta last Sunday and talked with a salesmen but my mother was not able to go so we decided to wait until today and go up to Crown Nissan in Greenville, SC.

    I went to Atlanta by myself last weekend to the autoshow. It was fun.

    I have been dealing with great salepeople over at Crown Nissan in Greenville and Team Nissan of Lithia Springs, GA, so it is down to those two dealerships.

    Atlanta is a good three hours from my house, while Greenville is about one hour away so I probably will end up dealing with Crown.

    Currently Crown Nissan has two 3.5 models on there lot. A Coral Sand 3.5SE with Leather Sport and a Polished Pewter 3.5SL. Neither has the Side airbags that I want so I am not taking either one, and I also want a stick shift so that leaves the SE models and I have to order it. I plan to do all of this today.

    My mother wants me to get the car ASAP, but I don't want to settle on a car that doesn't have all the features I want, especially the safety features that I want.

    I am going to Clemson University in the fall and I need a car that is going to be safe, reliable and fun. My only problem is that Nissan refuses to make safety equipment standard and then has the nerve to make it hard to find.

    There are NO Side airbag model SEs in this area.

    What is funny is that I went by a Honda dealership in my area, and they have an Accord EX-l with 5spd manual sedan. Tempting......

    If things don't work out with the Altima, I will just go ahead and get the Accord that I saw.

    If I get the Altima, I plan to get the Charcoal interior (I don't like the blond interior as much).

    Exterior colors of choice include:

    Smoke: Charcoal
    Polished Pewter: Charcoal
    Coral Sand: Charcoal
    Majestic Blue: Charcoal

    I hope today turns out to be a great day.

    Also, I was using Nissan's dealer inventory website and I found several SE 5spd Altimas, most were basic with no options, but I did find one SE in Worthington, OH with the Leather Sport Pkg. and ABS, but it is black on black and I don't want a black car. If only it was Smoke.....
  • jumpnjoejumpnjoe Posts: 34
    Good luck today. Definately wait for what you want. What's a month, compared to 3-5-10 years of owning the car and regretting not getting what you wanted. It me about a month to figure out exactly what I wanted and then about 3 weeks to negotiate/find it. People laughed because I didn't take one of the ones on the lot (I liked the blue better than silver or graphite because you see less of them) and when I saw the car, I was definately happy I waited. Where I went, waiting didn't affect the price. I don't know if you have as much leverage if you pre-order, maybe if you play dealers off each other. If it was going to cost me money, I probably would have gone with one of my second choices for color, although not so much for options that are important to me. The safety items are important on a college campus, especially with all the back roads around Clemson which encourage fast driving with surprises around the curves. If I had gone with the Altima, I definatly would have gotten the charcoal interior and either the blue or the smoke although the pewter isn't bad either. Both blue and smoke probably requires more frequent washing though.

    Congrats on Clemson. I am going there online for my masters (I live in MA).
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    my reasons are not mechanical...i like the accord v6 better because its almost $3000 less. the 4-cyl. are about the same, with the altima having 15 more HP and torque.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Exclusive features of Altima 3.5SL w/ TCS and Side Airbags vs. Accord EX V6:
    Manual shift mode Auto transmission
    Xenon headlights
    Fog lights
    Auto up-down passenger window
    Auto on-off headlights
    Heated outside mirrors
    Heated passenger seatback (only seat bottom in Accord)
    Auto-dimming rearview mirror
    Leather shift knob
    Split fold-down rear seat (one-piece in Accord)

    Exclusive features of Accord EX V6 vs. Altima 3.5SL w/ TCS and Side Airbags:
    Dual temperature control (single in Altima)
    Leather door inserts (simulated leather in Altima)
    Floor mats
    XM radio

    Altima 3.5SL w/ TCS and Side Airbags: $28,260
    Accord EX V6: $26,890

    The MSRP difference is $1400, but I can see how the street price difference is close to $3000. Hopefully, the street prices of the 2005 Altima will drop soon.

    Good luck w/ your car buying, maxamillion!
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    i sell altimas, so im not coming down on them, but some of the features you put in there are optional. compare invoice to invoice, since that is closer to real world transaction prices. you get more like $2500 difference there.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    ...has a power passenger's seat.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    Well today started out great, but quickly turned for the worse.

    I went up to Crown Nissan first.
    First off, the salesmen I dealt with initially was not available because he had another customer.

    So I dealt with a different salesmen who I didn't know as well. First off, he would NOT let me drive the car (the other salesmen would) and my mother was surprised by this. The SE model that was there earlier was no longer there and they only had S and SL models. The guy dragged us to the back of the lot and gave me some kind of speech about the 05s being "05s" and how they would bring sticker price. I told him to shove it, and to let me go. Then he decided he could do $500 over invoice, which I thought was pretty fair. We got back to the dealership and he started going on and on about a "CCP" fee. Basically the fee is $599 and all it does is detail my car twice a year for three years.

    He claims that ALL cars sold have this fee added.

    Now I have a cousin who details, he could easily detail my car for about $20 (What he charges me) So basically, they wanted to add a fee to my car that would charge me $100 for a damn car wash. I left right then and there. I told him that I would come back on Monday and deal with the other salesperson. I am going to call them Monday before I go to college and if the salesmen I originally dealt with doesn't come off on that fee, I am going to deal with other dealers.

    I have PLENTY of time. Heck, I have been doing research for years on these cars, and I REFUSE to pay for such a CRAZY fee.

    He shaked my hand and said "You are shaking the hand of a man who can sell any car for MSRP."

    I then replied "And you are shaking the hand of a man who will NEVER pay MSRP for a car"

    I then left. I think the man used my age to try to intimidate me. It didn't work.

    Now the Honda experience was completely different. The salesmen was laid back and he actually allowed my mother and I to drive the Accord around town by ourselves. My mother, who is a big time Honda fan even agreed that the Altima looked better, but I tried to be economical and use the value equation on her to no avail.

    Anyway, the Accord has an excellent ride and a wonderful interior. I drove around in an Accord EXV6 for at least thirty minutes.

    I still want the Altima more, but the dealer network at Nissan is sorry.... awfully sorry.
  • jumpnjoejumpnjoe Posts: 34
    I can relate to your experience. Some salesmen are just pains. If the Altima is what you like, e-mail their internet sales manager to negotiate the price. A lot less hassle there. If they know that you are shopping around by the net, they know it is easier for you to get the best price and will give you a good deal sooner-also, your age won't be apparent, not that it should matter, but perception always does. If it's possible to go for a test drive during the week, the salespeople may not be as busy and more likely to let you drive the car. Also, if he refuses, ask to see the manager. They can't refuse a test drive based on age or because they would rather get rid of the 2004's. You may want to call the manager ahead of time and tell him that one of his sales people almost lost a sale and you want an appointment for a test drive with a decent salesperson. Once you know you like it, then finalize your prices over the net. Keep standing up for yourself.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,764
    Don't paint such a broad stroke about dealer networks based on experience at a couple of dealers. When my lease was coming up last year on my 99 Civic EX, I was determined to methodically compare a number of models that would give me a little moe room and equipment. Altima, Camry, Sonata, 6, Malibu and of course Accord were on the list. I was looking for the best value and looking for a fair deal, not to squeeze every last dollar out of the price.

    I went into Paragon Honda of Woodside NY AS A RETURNING CUSTOMER and was treated awfully. Even though it was a quiet weekday afternoon the salesman was in a complete rush. His first answer to any question I asked about the car was, "Are you going to do something today?" I had a couple of months on my lease left, so I was willing to do something but didn't have to. When I asked if it had a timing belt or chain, he actually rolled his eyes and sighed. As the owner of an 89 Accord and 99 Civic, I know that Honda likes to build in scheduled $400 repairs at every 60k, it's my right to ask. After a little arm twisting, I was rewarded with a 4 block test drive. I guess that the Accord felt good at 20 mph, but I was left wondering about highway speeds. I was a returning Honda customer and was treated with total contempt and mistrust. I know that they sell alot of Accords, but I figured that they could always sell one more.

    My next step was to drive up the road to Koeppel Nissan in Jackson Heights, NY. I was warmly received, offered a cup of coffee and spoke at length to a knowledgable salesman who took me for a twenty minute test drive and knew that the Altima HAD A TIMING CHAIN =)

    They had the model that I wanted Pewter 2.5S with convenience package and was talked it down to $40 over invoice. When they agreed to split my last two lease payments and return the Civic to the clowns at Paragon, we had a deal that day and I drove it home. I hadn't intended to buy, but I was treated so well by Koeppel and got a fair deal so I did.

    I don't mean to ramble, but I just wanted to offer a different perspective. I think that when we're dealing with mass market cars, we can't really make generalizations about dealer networks, just individual dealers.
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