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New 2005 Altima: Interior and other info

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  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    That's one of the big problems the domestic OEMs have. Many people are making decisions based on old data. I'm not criticizing them, it's normal, just not necessarily rational. I'm sure I'd do the same thing in their position.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    Imacmil has a fair point. My parents have owned Domestic Big 3 cars for years and through the 80's and 90's and 00's. My parents had a lemon from GM but every manufacturer makes lemons. I think mostly now its mostly an even level playing field in terms of quality.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    domestics be getting even in terms of reliabiltiy, but in other aspects of quality there not there.
  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,676
    Nothing wrong with the tone of the conversation, but let's try to drift back toward the Altima - new folks who drop in might get frustrated by the lack of Altima talk. Thanks!

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  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Sorry! But to that end, now that the 2005 Altima is no longer a future vehicle (on the market for a month, with few 2004s left), perhaps all newbies and veterens should head over to the current Altima forum? I think its time this one gets closed (you recently closed the Solara convertible thread for similar reasons).

    ~alpha
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,476
    I do not want to try to turn this into a FWD vs RWD vs AWD forum. There probably is one already somewhere on Edmunds.

    There has been much written about the pros and cons. Personally, most of my issues with FWD have to do with performance, handling and feel. Not such (also important to many) issues as interior space efficiency.

    Also, my comments here primarily apply to cars such as the Altima V6 (SL / SE), but also apply to any car with FWD and over, say, 225 HP / TQ.

    First, I absolutely consider the 2005 version of the Altima SE and SL to be a very nice car. It also does a good job of minimizing the inherent compromises associated with FWD.

    The steering and handling feel are tough engineering challenges for FWD. With a typical FWD static weight distribution in the 60 / 40 range (some have even more than 60% on the front), this means that the front tires are carrying 50% more than the rears!! This is a lot.

    Adding the driving torque to the duties of the front wheels is a significant additional task.

    Torque steer is one typical result. This varies with a number of factors and can be minimized under many circumstances.

    Handling: with the front wheels carrying so much more of the vehicle weight,
    developing significant cornering force and then trying to also deliver acceleration torque typically just does not work well. No tire can generate both full lateral acceleration and full forward acceleration or full braking. (This is obviously also an issue with RWD, just less so - as if it is better balanced, as most sport sedans are, then the rear tires are not as heavily loaded nor as involved in turning.) This affects how enjoyable the car is to drive in a spirited manner, for instance, when accelerating out of a corner.

    Braking: More important, in an emergency, the (heavily loaded) front tires are even more heavily loaded during hard braking. Adding an attempt to steer the vehicle typically creates an unstable situation. And no ABS or stability control systems can actually increase the maximum physical tire grip available.

    Related: Acceleration from a stop - I experienced annoying wheel spin even on dry roads when I rented a 4-cyl (current series) Altima in the San Diego area a couple of years ago.

    Also potential issues – but not as much of a concern for me: FWD often requires a large(r) turning circle.

    Uneven Tire wear.

    FWD, RWD, (AWD – I owned a VW Passat W8 (approx. 270 HP / TQ and AWD) each have their inherent pros and cons. And some engineering decisions affect how those pros and cons actually manifest in any particular vehicle dynamics. Just need to understand them and choose based on your own requirements and desires.

    Again, the Altima deals with these issues reasonably well. Just not well enough for me.
    - Ray
    Still impressed . . .
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    "And no ABS or stability control systems can actually increase the maximum physical tire grip available."

    This is not correct. The amount of "tire grip" is strictly a function of the tire/road coefficient of friction. If the statement was "an expert driver may be able to produce shorter stopping distances without ABS than with ABS" it would be correct. The key word here is expert. For 99% of the driving public, ABS will not only product shorter stopping distances, it will allow the driver to steer to avoid an accident. Not only do locked wheels not produce the shortest stopping distances, you can't steer them either.

    Regarding the Altima, IMO ABS ought to be standard on at least the high end models (3.5 SE & SL). I think it's ludicrous that the $27K 3.5SL has everything but the kitchen sink standard yet you have to pay another $1000 or so to get ABS. It sends the message that Nissan thinks creature comforts (e.g., leather & sunroof) are more important than safety.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    Does the 2005 interior really address the previous version issues of the interior being low rent and cheap looking? I haven't seen a new one close up yet.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,476
    Clearly, they have addressed the interior issues.
    Whether or not they have addressed these issues to your satisfaction would be a very personal judgment call.
    My opinion is that they have done an excellent job in this respect - as well as regarding noise control.
    - Ray
    Seeing over 100 2005s on the local lot on Saturday . . .
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,476
    One annoyance I noticed on my test drive: The tach is rather small, has a small 'sweep' and mounted low to the left. This is likely only an issue for someone using the man-u-matic function.
    - Ray
    Otherwise really liking the Atlima's man-u-matic implementation . . .
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The only unimproved aspect is the poor grade of cloth that covers the seats in non-leather equipped models. Otherwise, kudos, Nissan, for listening!!

    ~alpha
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    a completely different type of upholstery on the non-leather models...its not really cloth anymore. its the same material as the armada "cloth". its very comfortable, and seems more durable. time will tell, but i like it alot.
  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,676
    Yeah, I'll close it in a couple of days then. I usually wait til I get my official "report" indicating that a vehicle is available, but I haven't received one for a few weeks!

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  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    Any changes? I haven't seen them side-by-side but the 2005 doesn't look any different.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    The following changes have been the most noticeable.

    Interior
    -The gauges have chrome rings that look NICE
    -The shifter is now plated in chrome
    -the cloth, especially the black cloth has improved IMO. Also, the blond and frost cloth look just like the cloth in the Maxima SE
    -The entire dash board top has soft touch materials and is better looking than the 02-04s. There is now a storage area above the audio unit.
    -The audio unit is the same as the 02-04s but is shaped differently
    -The armrest DOES NOT adjust
    -You LOSE the lumbar support for 05
    -The door panels are completely different and have the same suede cloth found in the Maxima.

    Exterior
    -The rims are different
    -The taillights are RED for the turn signal
    -The hood has rasied slightly and has the crease down the middle of the hood like all current Nissans.
    -The grille has a slight design for the tooth, but doesn't have the tooth.

    I am satisfied with the new Altima for the most part, however, it does have a few cheap interior materials. They are vastly superior to the materials used in the 02-04s (Which werent that bad, but not high HIGH quality)

    I plan to enjoy this car for a LONG time. I wish I could have gotten a V6 SE though.

    The next one I get will be the redesign for 07...maybe the hybrid version.
  • carpeoplecarpeople Posts: 36
    "Regarding the Altima, IMO ABS ought to be standard on at least the high end models (3.5 SE & SL). I think it's ludicrous that the $27K 3.5SL has everything but the kitchen sink standard yet you have to pay another $1000 or so to get ABS. It sends the message that Nissan thinks creature comforts (e.g., leather & sunroof) are more important than safety."

    The 3.5s do have it standard. Nissan adds that as standard but keeps the airbags as optional.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    If ABS is standard in the 3.5s, they've managed to conceal that rather well. It's certainly not indicated in the brochure feature chart I downloaded. I'll have to look at the site again.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    I did find it in the features chart. The brochure you can download indicates it is optional as part of the side air bag package/TCS package. I'd say this makes the 3.5SL very competitive with the Accord EX V6.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    on 3.5 models so I have heard.

    Too bad, Nissan didn't add it to the sticker of most new 05s when they came out.

    Also, the 3.5SL is pretty competitive with the Accord EXV6, except for price.

    The Altima cost a good deal more.

    You win or lose certain features from each one though.
  • gsemikegsemike Long Island, NYPosts: 1,743
    Since the SE-R board was prematurely closed, let's try it here. What does everyone think about the SE-R?

    I saw it last night at the auto show and give it the thumbs up. It's distinctive and looks fast. I'm surprised that they didn't go a little crazier with it. It could have been a little more "The Fast and the Furious" but it is agressive. I expected a bigger spoiler on the back.

    I wouldn't be too concerned with it making the Maxima obsolete as people said on the other board. It's definately more of a hot rod while the Max is morerefined. I've actually been surprised to see alot of the Max's is this area being driven by greybeards.
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