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Hybrid Honda Accord

I could not find any discussion about the upcoming Hybrid Honda Accord

Quoted from Janaury 07, 2004 article: http://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/2004_january/07/1618.asp

Later this year, although not in all markets, Honda will introduce its third petrol/electric hybrid model, following on from the Insight and the Civic IMA. Using the same Integrated Motor Assist technology as the Civic, the US-market Accord V6 will feature not only a hybrid powertrain but also Variable Cylinder Management, which cuts out one bank of cylinders in light-load conditions.
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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,851
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  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    high MPG, high performance... and an Accord. WHAT A KILLER COMBO!
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    Detroit is so far behind in the hybrid race it's rediculous. It doesn't matter if Lutz thinks that hybrid systems on high-mileage cars is pointless, give the people what they want.

    However, DoD is a step in the right direction. No battery to worry about, and it won't need to switch between electric and engine. (I've heard it's quite noticeable in the Prius when the real engine kicks in.) Of course if Honda/Toyota can make the power transfer smoother, as well as significantly lower the cost of the battery....
  • slawendaslawenda Posts: 101
    While the idea of an Accord V6 hybrid is enticing, if we assume the hybrid will be at least 2 or 3 thousand dollars more than the traditional Accord, it's unlikely to save anyone significant amounts of money on gas. It is obviously better for the environment, but I don't think the majority of us choose environment over our pocketbooks. More power to those of us who do, but I think for now the majority of the public will choose to save money by choosing the less expensive, "traditional" Accord models. Hopefully, someday the costs of owning a hybrid will be less than owning a "traditional" Accord, but I don't think we are there yet.
  • hmurphyhmurphy Posts: 278
    I would choose a hybrid version. So would a lot of people I've discussed this with. But I guess it's a luxury to be able to make that choice. I understand that a lot of people wouldn't or couldn't for practical reasons.

    I considered hybrids before buying my Accord, but I wasn't comfortable buying a compact car (Hybrid Civic or Prius) for safety reasons. I know that the Civic has good safety ratings for its class, but I'm too paranoid to be in such a small car. I'm therefore very interested in a possible Accord hybrid, since it's a bit larger.

    My interest doesn't really have much to do with potential gas savings. It's more just because it seems like a good environmental initiative to support.
  • I agree fully. I would seriously consider it as well. I even thought about the Prius b/c of the technology, but I really wanted an Accord.

    Additionally, if the story unfolds as planned, the hybrid Accord will have a significant performance increase over the current v6, likely due to the tremendous torque available in the electric motors. It should leap off the line dramatically, and also have the highway poise that the current v6 is lauded for.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I really want an Accord, but I'm holding out for the Hybrid to see what's it's like. If it's not what I want, I'll just run to Saab, Volvo, Lexus or preferably Acura (just stepping up into the next model line, from Accord to Civic to Odyssey and now to Acura, probably)
  • slawendaslawenda Posts: 101
    As a follow-up to my original post, I wasn't saying that no one would want the hybrid. I simply was stating what I feel is the reality--that the majority of Accord buyers are on a budget and thus probably won't opt for the hybrid. There is currently a Honda Civic hybrid, and as far as I know, most people don't spend the extra thousands of dollars. In other words, I don't see the hybrids dominating the market until the extra cost comes down. True, many of us that read these boards are probably well-educated and pro-environment, but if pro-environment means more expensive, then that excludes the statistical majority.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    will come down as hybrids become mass produced in higher numbers. Prius production was very low for the Classic version but for the new hatchback demand is through the roof and production has been increased.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    I really like the idea of a hybrid Accord. Anyone know if the U.S. version will be a coupe or sedan and if the rear seat back(s) will fold down ? Hopefull in Houston http://www.rfruth.net
  • I just read this excerpt from consumerguide.com re: the Hybrid Accord:

    "Honda has scotched rumors of a hybrid powertrain option for Accord, saying likely sales don't justify the expense." (Updated 1/27/04)

    Has anyone else heard that Honda may scrap their plans for this??? Just curious...
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    this link is still on honda's official website so i would say consumer guide needs to correct their info.

    http://www.hondacars.com/info/news/article.asp?ArticleID=20040105- 27129&Category=Accord
  • I've been searching for a sedan lately, and have test driven the new Prius and just yesterday, the new 4 cyl. Accord EX-L. They are both remarkable cars, and my hat is off to both Toyota and Honda for bringing them to fruition!
         Here in Detroit, the Big 3's answer to everything is to give it more horsepower ["Hey, put a hemi in it, man!"]. Is it any wonder that we can't wean our country off foreign oil, and wouldn't every American rather give more of their hard earned dollars to the oil companies, rather than spend them on frivilous things such as food, clothing, housing, and their children?
         To theo2709 I have to say that you must drive a Prius if you can find a dealer that has one to test drive. You'll probably find, as I did, that the switch from the electric motor to the gas engine is unnoticeable and amazingly quiet, smooth, and quick!
         hmurphy, you should see the safety featurs in the 2004 Prius. ABS, stability control, full side curtain airbags, and more. This is now a mid-sized car; it's outgrown it's compact beginnings.
         I think slawenda is right about the likely cost of the hybrid Accord. A person would have to keep it a long time to recoup the purchase price, but with the rising cost of gas [it just took a big jump this week in the metro Detroit area], that time is likely to come down.
         Kudos to Toyota, but a hybrid Accord with leather and XM Satellite Radio is the working man's luxury car in my opinion!
  • Hobbes52 - good post. While reading your thoughts the following occurred to me. A more costly, hybrid version of the Accord will handicapped by a comparison to the current, non-electric model. This is already happening with the hybrid Civic.

    It is only natural to calculate how many miles you will have to drive to make up the difference in cost for the hybrid vehicle. Of course this will depend on the mileage difference between the two vehicles and the price of gas. Correct me if I am wrong, but with the Civic this equates to somewhere around 60-75K at current gas prices. So the issue then becomes how long you plan on keeping the car (lease or buy) and the long term reliability of the electric components (a pretty big concern in my mind).

    The Prius has the advantage of having no non-electric counter-part for comparison. It stands alone as the modern marvel of technology that it is AND it costs about the same as the Accord. Granted it is smaller, slower and is not available in a manual transmission (I understand this is not important to most but this is what swayed my decision in favor of the '03 Accord over Camry), but it makes up for this with its edgy styling and eco-coolness.

    In order for a hybrid Accord to be successful, Honda must keep the cost down or gas prices will have to increase dramatically. Just my opinion.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    A hybrid version of the Accord would be handicapped compared to a regular gas only Accord ? The way I look at it 20 grand gets a 20 th century Accord or for a few more grand can get a 21 st century vehicle or if in money saving mode get a used Accord and make any kind of new one look like a rip-off. rfruth
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I'm getting a car that's two decades ahead of Detroit. Why should I NOT buy a Hybrid Accord in lieu of a Saab 9-3, Infiniti I35 or Volvo S40?
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    Well if you want your 4 door to be an above average handling sedan, those would be better choices. If you value space and the hybrid feature a lot, then the Accord hybrid would be your best bet obviously.
  • hmurphyhmurphy Posts: 278
    That seems like the next step, before we have cars that don't rely on gas at all.

    It's difficult to imagine, but it seems like the way of the future.
  • The new car vs used car argument does not apply to this discussion. All I am saying is that unless the hybrid Accord offers more than better gas mileage at a higher sticker price, you will have a hard time convincing the American family car buyer to sign on the dotted line.

    I drive an '03 EX-L with nav and it sure feels like a 21st century car to me. None of the cars I owned in the 20th century had voice controlled navigation systems. What are you getting for 'a few grand more' other than unproven reliability of new technology after the warrantee expires?
  • From the rumors, better performance. The car is supposed to be decidedly quicker while getting better mileage.
  • Carmakers know that oil supply is finite and volatile (no pun meant), especially those from countries who won't deal with the heavy issues surrounding it.

    Japan, as a case in point, is both natural resource-starved and oil-dependent. It is now a master of peaceful survival, pulling rather than pushing us towards the compelling products they create.

    Some success elements in promoting hybrid vehicles are evident in the Japan carmakers, aren't they ? First, their domestic situation demands it, and they are therefore likely to do a better job. Second, distribution channels from Japan to the rest of the world are in place.

    Hybrids, in effect, are being test-marketed here by Japan. There's no urgent reason (yet) why we should buy them.

    But remember how Japan carmakers got big in the US ? The oil embargo, and all its street-level difficulties, drove people to the fuel-efficient Japanese cars.

    Given this scenario, while many of us won't get a hybrid car soon, it's good to know someone out there's got the product when we need it.
  • hmurphyhmurphy Posts: 278
    Somewhat off-topic, but The Onion has a funny article about "anger-powered cars" in its latest issue:

    http://www.theonion.com/4005/news1.html
  • wco81wco81 Posts: 495
    Luxury trim?

    If it had some of the new Acura TL's high-tech options, that would be killer, like the DVD-A and the Bluetooth.

    The NAV would be a meh.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Accord EX with Leather.
  • Toyota sold their Gen 1 hybrid technology to GM.

    Domestic automaker don't need to spend big $$$ on R&D but improve Japanese outdated technology.
  • The Japanese are way ahead of american automacers in all areas, including fuel cell vehicles. They are motivated by fuel efficiency and saving the environment. Americans are not concern with these things evidently. The fact is that soon all cars will be required to meet low emission standards, if not by the medical community then by the life insurance industry. Kiss my 45 mpg V6!
  • ramped1ramped1 Posts: 159
    Those who consider hybrids 'green' vehicles should remember that at some point in time, all of those batteries are going to have to be replaced. Not very green.

    Also, in addition to increased initial cost, you should also consider what will happen if your hybrid breaks down in the middle of nowhere. Who, outside of a Honda dealer, is going to be able to fix it? One day, hybrid technology may be as common as changing spark plugs today, but that is far into the future.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > at some point in time, all of those batteries are going
    > to have to be replaced. Not very green.

    First, NiMH can be recycled. And we know it will be, since the Nickel inside is well worth salvaging afterward.

    Second, the battery-pack is NOT likely to need replacing. Neither the Honda nor the Toyota designs cycle enough to equate to normal lifetime replacement. In fact, a Prius owner reached 209,000 miles with the original pack just fine (then he sold the car).

     
    > if your hybrid breaks down in the middle of nowhere

    Though you have a valid point, both Honda & Toyota make extremely reliable cars. So it is only a low risk, and even less if you don't travel to the middle of nowhere.

     
    The question for you is: What will you do when gas climbs above $2 per gallon stays there? It will happen someday. And based on estimates, it will very likely occur within the lifetime of your next vehicle.

    JOHN
  • hmurphyhmurphy Posts: 278
    This is off the topic of the Accord hybrid, but I heard on NPR the other day that the natural gas Civic (the GX I believe) has the lowest emissions of any car (including the hybrids).

    The worst was the diesel Volkswagon Tuareg.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    What comes out of the tailpipe is DIRTIER than a PZEV hybrid.

    The reason GNC rates at the top is that the overall well-to-wheel emissions are lower.

    JOHN
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