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Hybrid Honda Accord

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  • ramped1ramped1 Posts: 159
    Why in the world would someone buy a hybrid with 209,000 miles on it? Unless Toyota bought it back for PR purposes.

    And, if I'm afraid to drive to the middle of nowhere in my new hybrid, what's the point?

    Lastly, what will I do when gas hits $2 or $3 or $4 a gallon? Pay it. I am sorry to say I am old enough to remember pumping gas for 28 cents a gallon, and telling friends that I'd never pay a dollar a gallon!

    Like everyone else, I hope that technology gives us a good alternative to the internal combustion engine, but these hybrids aren't it, at least not for midsize sedans (in my opinion, of course). However, steps are being made in the right direction, and hopefully in my lifetime, we'll get there.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    If gas went to $3.33 a gallon, first, I'd stop thinking about buying a luxury car, and keep my Civic. I'd keep the Odyssey, but only for long highway trips. Then, I'd buy a Prius, Civic Hybrid, or Accord Hybrid, and use it as my daily driver. There. All planned out.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > Why in the world would someone buy a hybrid with 209,000 miles
    > on it? Unless Toyota bought it back for PR purposes

    Good guess, but not quite.

    They bought it back for RESEARCH purposes. The data that battery-pack contained was quite valuable.

    JOHN
  • wco81wco81 Posts: 495
    People seem to be deriding the current system in the Civic Hybrid as inferior to the Toyota CVT and HSD design.

    Is that really the case and will the Accord Hybrid use the Civic Hybrid design?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,897
    Let's stick to the Accord hybrid here... plenty of other existing discussions about hybrids in general.

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  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    any word on how much $$$$ the Accord Hybrid will cost?
  • Is the Accord Hybrid going to be an optional vehicle, or the only version of the Accord available?

    Johnny
  • mwaddomwaddo Posts: 30
    First:

     ramped1 asked "...what will happen if your hybrid breaks down in the middle of nowhere". Actually, what would happen? If something goes wrong with the electric part of the motor, can the car still run on its "regular" gas engine? I assume the regular gas engine could be repaired as any normal gas engine could be.

    Second:

    Does anyone think the Hybrid Accord will have any addition features the other Accords don't have? For example, do you think they will try to differentiate the models with HID's, Bluetooth, bigger wheels, etc. Does the Civic hybrid have any features not available on other Civics?
  • The Civic Hybrid does have fancier chrome materials in the interior and it has 14 inch alloy wheels (EX has 15 inch alloys) and it has automatic climate control.
  • I think the Hybrid Accord will be more of a top line Accord, along the lines of the 6-speed V6 Coupe with Nav. It will probably have few special featurs that the other Accords don't have, an extra charging battery gauge, probably a trip computer and they will probably add HIDs

    Anything the current Prius has the Accord Hybrid will have because I think it's main drive will be to blow the Prius demand away by statisfying the main thing the Prius lacks, performance.

    The other Accords should still be available and the price differential will make them still attractive to a slightly different audience.
  • Wow, those Japanese...gotta give them Kudos!!

    Toyota is already on it's second generation Hybrid Synergy Drive and America's BIG 2 1/2 are making bigger V8s!!

    Nissan is leasing the 2nd gen HSD from Toyota to put into their Altima in a couple of years, while Chevy is making a Series 4 3800 engine!!

    Word is that Toyota will put the HSD technology into the Sequioia and Sienna and more cars soon. Heck, I'm soo excited for this new Accord!

    Hmm, Chevy boasts that their 3500 V6 in the Malibu makes the most MPG in it's class. Interestingly, that engine is outdated, slightly rough on the edges, and makes -20 to 40HP below the imports. Now the 240HP Accord gets even more HP with Hybrid technology and better MPG to boot. Add that to one of the midsize segment's best interiors, Honda quality and reliability, and all that luxury and you've got an awesome car!
  • I couldn't agree more, including your comparison of western vs. easter ideology.

    I currently have a 2003 LX that I love very much, but I just got a promotion and the allure of this Hybrid may just warrant an upgrade.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    If it comes out at the right time, I may actually turn around on the way to the Lexus dealer and drive to the Honda dealer to buy one.
  • tblazer503tblazer503 Posts: 620
    does the 3500 in the malibu come from Honda? =oP

    I know the new VUE has the Honda 3.5L v-6 that is tweaked down a bit...

    I actually am very impressed with the Hybrid Honda... if it breaks down, it should be able to be repaired normally, the only problem would be the synergy drive where the dc motors couple with the transmission... I hear you will get the same(roughly) 3.0l engine but adding on the motors... 300HP would be great... hehe. guess ill just have to wait and see....
  • sebzx79sebzx79 Posts: 26
    NO the 3.5 in the malibu is not the Honda Motor.
    It is a bored out old 3.4 push rod motor.

    THe 3.5 in the VUE is from honda and it is no tweaked down at all it is the same 250hp that you get in the MDX and the Pilot.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    tblazer,

    Honda has already said the Accord Hybrid will be powered by the existing 3.0L V6.

    I believe they have also released initial power specs of 270bhp.
  • webster7webster7 Posts: 4
    I currently own a 2001 Civic HX with CVT. Like
    the Mexicans who drool over new cars for a spot in their lives in ten years, I probably wont be able to afford a 2005 Accord Hybrid for six or seven years. I hope Honda includes Auto Heat Control, CVT(I'll never drive another transmission) and power everything. I think the mileage will depend a lot on how you drive the Accord Hybrid. Personally, I like good acceleration for around town and entering highways and I like forty MPG on a long trip. This new car sounds like my wish come true.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    The Accord Hybrid might be just the ticket for me but make mine with a manual gearbox and i'm in Houston so no auto heat anything please.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    i don't see a manual being offered with the hybrid accord. maybe a CVT though.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    According to Edmunds preview of the Accord Hybrid it will be similar in design to the system used in the Civic and Insight both of which are available with manuals but the bigger picture for me is how much might a V6 hybrid cost ? I could spend 35 K, it would hurt and to think I could have a tricked out Prius for 25 K, I better get used to the CVT idea cause my next motor vehicle will be a hybrid quite possibly with a CVT.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    webster7,

    "Like the Mexicans who drool over new cars for a spot in their lives in ten years,"

    ARen't you making kind of a generalization about Mexicans? I know plenty of "Mexicans" who could buy one now.

    You should watch your mouth.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    rfruth,

    I doubt a Accord Hybrid will cost $35K. I would guess it will be about a $2K to $3K premium over a Accord V6 EX. And of course it will probably be selling for full sticker.
  • nw1997nw1997 Posts: 227
    Personally, anyone in there right mind should not purchase a first year model. Main reason, just read some of the posts here on Edmunds. There will be bugs, glitches, etc. I would not want to be a test rat for Honda or any other car maker. The Hybrid seems promising, look at what the V6's are getting now, over the 30 MPG, and I believe the Hybrid Accord will be around this amount. These Hybrids need to be able to function without the heavy batteries. I understand that Hydrogen vehicles may be the way to go in the future.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > heavy batteries

    99 pounds is not heavy.

     
    > Hydrogen vehicles

    Hydrogen technology is significantly MORE expensive. The process to create the fuel results in HIGHER overall pollution. And the efficiency is quite a bit LOWER.

    There simply is no benefit.

    And there will NEVER be such a thing as a pure fuel-cell vehicle anyway. It will actually be a HYBRID, taking advantage of regenerative braking and storing electricity for use later the same way hybrids do now.

    JOHN
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm excited to see these, try one even. Up until now it's all been about range and fuel economy, I'll enjoy seeing one built for a little extra performance boost.

    270hp plus good efficiency sounds good. It's worth paying more for.

    I drove and liked the Prius, but 0-60 is slower than the Chevy Aveo (per C&D).

    Looks like the Accord won't suffer a similar fate.

    -juice
  • wco81wco81 Posts: 495
    Some get close to 30 on the highway but not 30 AFAIK.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Your statement regarding Prius vs. Aveo acceleration as judged by Car and Driver represents a very on-the-surface evaluation that is only partly correct.

    Typically, the best comparisons are made comparing Apples to Apples. The Prius uses a CVT automatic, whereas the Aveo tested was equipped with a manual transmission.

    That said, a closer look of the Aveo 5sp's acceleration reveals that in real world driving, it is BARELY faster than the Prius, based on C&D info.

    For their 0-60 figures, C&D uses racing techniques, I'm sure you are aware, to extract maximum potential from the vehicles. The rest of us just floor the accelerator from a stop, an event replicated in C&D's "Street Start, 5-60" test.

    Using that measure, the times were:
    Aveo 5sp 11.0 seconds
    Prius CVT 11.3 seconds

    It is only logical to conclude that the Aveo automatic would in fact be less sprightly than the Prius CVT in real world driving.

    ~alpha
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Fair enough, but Toyota does not offer a 5 speed manual so you're stuck with a relatively slow fuel miser.

    I drove it and it feels adequate, actually, just not quick.

    The potential for a fun/quick fuel miser is more enticing. That was my point.

    -juice
  • In reference to the earlier post by rctennis3811, I believe that Toyota is licensing to Nissan, and some other manufacturers, their first generation hybrid technology, not their new second generation technology found in the new 2004 Prius. By doing this Toyota is helping to broaden hybrid market acceptance . . . while at the same time maintaining their leadership position in hybrid technology on the road. This is called smart marketing!
  • While I am pretty familiar with the current Honda and Toyota hybrid technologies (the approaches are very different from each other), I would like to understand better the pros and cons of each as compared with the other.

    My current impression is that Toyota's approach is the better one for improved gas mileage whereas Honda's approach is better for improved mileage within the higher acceleration performance market. Is this impression correct? Are there other trade offs, pros, cons?
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