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will there be a new Dodge Intrepid?



  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,847
    about the next Stratus/Sebring being Mitsubishi-based for awhile now, and in the past, that had me worried. While the Stratus/Sebring aren't the greatest cars in the world, I considered the Galant to be a big step down, at least comparing the base models of each that I've driven. The Galant looked nice at a quick glance, but in driving it just felt cheap, unrefined, and cramped. Again, not that the Stratus/Sebring are exactly winners here either (although I find them to be comfortable and roomy enough), but I still looked at the Galant as a step down.

    It looks like Mitsubishi deserves some praise though, for the new '04 Galant. I don't care for the styling, but overall it seems to be a better, roomier, more substantial car. Maybe it won't be *too* bad, having the new Stratus/Sebring based on that platform. I just hope they still offer a convertible!
  • mike372mike372 Posts: 354
    Oh, so that why you dont get any speeding tickets?! Well, I do not believe that an Intrepid with the 3.5 motor will blow away a Crown Vic or Grand Marquis with its interceptor engine. Plus they are rear wheel drive cars.:-)
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,847
    I have a feeling the guy might have been exaggerating a bit. However, awhile back I did find a copy of the Michigan State Police's test of the 2003 police cars. The Intrepid was a bit quicker than the Impala from 0-60, and I think it was as quick or quicker than the Crown Vic. we're talking like 9.14 seconds versus 9.26 or something like that, so it's not like it's that critical of a difference. In 0-100, the Intrepid started to pull away though, widening the distance from the Impala, although the Crown Vic was better. And the Intrepid had the highest top speed, although they were all electronically limited and could probably be modified to go higher.
  • barneymbarneym Posts: 32
    I will be sad to see the Intrepid nameplate become retired. My first car was a '95 Dodge Intrepid. I had rented the Intrepid a bunch of times as a college student to drive back and forth from Boston to home in CT and I always liked the full size comfort of the Intrepid. My grandfather worked for Chrysler for 30 years on the lines so I felt some family loyalty towards the brand as well. Plus, around that time, the whole Dodge brand had a cohesive look that was inspired by the Viper. Now they take their inspiration from the Ram instead (sounds backwards if you ask me).

    I agree with everyone that DCX needs a full-size sedan replacement. If someone wants a full-size vehicle that isn't an SUV or a luxury car, they have to choose between the Crown Vic or the Intrepid. I keep hearing how the DC execs point to Europe as proof that wagons are the way to go. This a big mistake. They keep forgetting that most families in Europe are one car families so they need a more versatile vehicle like a wagon. In the U.S., most families have two or even more cars with one of them designated as the "family truckster" (i.e. minivan, suv, etc). Without a sedan version they are missing out on all the people not swayed by their marketing who simply don't want to drive a station wagon no matter how "cool" it is. So, DC, if your listening, please just re-skin the 300C as a Dodge and don't screw your dealers by making them sell oranges to people who want lemonade.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    try buying a 300. It's as close to a Magnum you can get without being a wagon.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Just remember that both the Magnum and 3oo are rear wheel drive vehicles. The base engine in both is also, to be charitable, somewhat anemic, given the weight of these beasts...
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,847
    that they didn't use the 4.7 V-8 as one of the base engines in these new LX cars. They could have used it as the base unit in the 300, with a Hemi optional, and only allowed the Dodge version to have V-6es. That would've given the Chrysler version a bit more cachet.

    From what I've read, the 2.7 has been retuned a bit, actually dropping the hp from 200 to 190. Peak torque stays the same, at 190 ft-lb, but it's available over a much broader rpm range. Still, while an Intrepid or Concorde with the 2.7 was usually good for 0-60 in about 9.5 seconds (although I've seen times as quick as 9.0 and as bad as 10.2 listed in tests), in these heavier beasts, with a driveline that saps more power, that time drops to around 10.7 seconds. It's actually not too bad, considering that this is about as bad as Chrysler dropping a 170 CID slant six under the hood of a '67 Newport! I was actually afraid that 0-60 would be much worse than that! But when you consider a base Impala is going to blow it away, and so will most Japanese 4-cylinder models like the Accord, Altima, and Camry, about all this car can hope for is to maybe beat out a Taurus wagon with the old Vulcan V-6!
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    ...or an AWD Ford Five Hundred or Montego, with its 200 hp/200 pounds of torque and approximate 38oo pounds...
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Chrysler has said that it is going to surprise with a 10th new product for 2004/05, and that it will be shown at the New York autoshow. Wanna bet this is the Intrepid replacement? Charger???? Of course.

  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    UPDATE: Just read in today's Automotive News that the Charger is next year and rear wheel drive. Whether or not that's an Intrepid replacement is a topic for debate. The article also said that a police version is being considered, and that the Charger (which may be called something else) will be "very sporty" and not resemble the 300 very much at all, although it does share the same platform...
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I knew it! There is no way they would cancel the Intrepid and replace it with a wagon only. Made no sense. Look for the Charger at New York and on sale before the end of the year.

  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    "I considered the Galant to be a big step down, at least comparing the base models of each that I've driven. The Galant looked nice at a quick glance, but in driving it just felt cheap, unrefined, and cramped."

    The next generation Stratus will be Galant based, but on the all new 2004 version, which is as big as a new Altima. Not the old ones that the above poster remembers.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,847
    Miss my second paragraph, did ya? One more time, word for word...

    "It looks like Mitsubishi deserves some praise though, for the new '04 Galant. I don't care for the styling, but overall it seems to be a better, roomier, more substantial car. Maybe it won't be *too* bad, having the new Stratus/Sebring based on that platform. I just hope they still offer a convertible!"
  • Jason5Jason5 Posts: 440
    As I recall there may be one of two "reveals" at the New York Auto Show. Either the Dodge sedan based on the 300C/Magnum chassis OR the new Grand Cherokee based on the new Durango platform..
  • svevarsvevar Posts: 160
    I'm almost positive the new Grand Cherokee will debut at the NY show, especially since it's supposed to go on sale by year's end. In fact, I think there's a good chance both the Jeep and a full-sized Dodge sedan (Charger?) will be unveiled.

     -- Mark
  • setzersetzer Posts: 127
    I hope the Dodge fullsize sedan will be something better looking than the 300. Something more sportier, like the current Intrepid.
  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    For those who remember the Charger show car of a few years ago, it was very "NASCAR-friendly" in its design. Because there was a short run of 04 Intrepids, Dodge is safe with those in NASCAR for a couple of years until the new Charger is released. Dodge was not about to re-enter racing with the big splash they did and bail out just as quickly with nothing to replace the Intrepid on the speedways.

    I would also imagine public safety departments have been clamoring for a rear-wheel sedan with V8 power other than the Crown Vic so that they don't feel handcuffed (pun intended) by the lack of competition in that market. Ford reportedly will phase the CV out in favor of the FiveHun, but it is supposed to remain a fleet (police/taxi) vehicle for the immediate future.

    This new sedan will generate plenty of interest from many directions.

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  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Just a minute there. The Crown Vic may be being phased out (as far as sales to John and JoAnn Q. Public), but make no mistake about it, the Grand Marquis will be around for the foreseeable future. Just thought that needed to be said! :)
  • Jason5Jason5 Posts: 440
    Just a question for those of us who enjoy "lot browsing". Anyone seeing Intrepid SXT and ES models on your local Dodge dealer lots? I stopped by a local 5 Star Dealer and browsed a bit. Had some conversation about the arrival of the Magnum (late April and early May) but was surprised to find only Intrepid SE's on the lot. All the 2004 ES and SXT models gone?
  • mike372mike372 Posts: 354
    ended production of all Intrepids last August, and there were not many SXT's to begin with, I am not surprised that there are none on dealers lots. Back a year ago, when I bought my SE, I drove to many Dodge dealers in search of a used Trep, and none of them had many SXT's. With the exception of Reedman in PA, there were almost none. I dont know about the ES's because at the time I was not interested in an ES. A year ago, the local Dodge dealer only had one SXT and three or four SE's. But, in all fairness, the local dealer is BIG with the trucks anyway. Thats where the demand and big profits are. The dealer where I bought mine, Branford Dodge in CT, said that if they made the same profit with all vehicles, they would close their doors. They, too, had many Dodge trucks.
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