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Porsche Panamera (4 door sedan)

highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
Porsche has made it clear it will use the V8 developed for the Cayenne and place it in either a 2+2 coupe or 4 door sedan.... I think it will fill a gap for the sport sedan /coupe niche. What do you think ?
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  • sure, why not? maserati has the quattroporte, aston martin had the lagonda, so why not porsche?
    bring it on, zuffhausen!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    There is no way Porsche is going to make a sedan. Yes this same thing was said about the Cayenne, but a sedan is just too much. They better not!

    I expect a 2+2 GT to take on various Bentley, Aston-Martin, and Ferrari "GT" cars.

    Aston and Maserati have a tradition of having a sedan, Porsche doesn't.

    What's next? A Ferrari SUV?

    Porsche better stay true here and bring out a 928 type car, not a sedan!!!

    The funny part is that knowing how the Germans feel about other Germans invading their special segments, like MB did with the A-Class, which caused VW to do the Phaeton.......BMW, MB and Audi won't take it sitting down if Porsche does do a sedan, they'll start building 911 competitors left and right. Audi already intends to do this with the LeMans Quattro. BMW and Mercedes will have to build a true 911 competitor if Porsche does this...the German's competitiveness won't allow anything less.

    M
  • so maybe this would be a good thing then?
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602
    might not be bad if they did a variation on the RX-8 theme (sports car/coupe with an actually usable back seat). Kind of a "grown up" 911 with the engine in the front.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You mean Porsche doing another GT type car like the 928 or the outbreak of competition between the German brands??

    A few hours earlier I received a new issue of Autoweek and on the cover is a mid-engine sports car from Mercedes for 2008 to do battle with the 360 Modena, Ford GT, Lambo Gallardo etc etc, also built built with help from MB's F1 partner McLaren. This car (if built) will undoubtedly do battle with the next generation 911. Seems the Germans are already doing the latter of the two scenarios huh?

    M
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    yes, I see your point.

    since others are making sports cars, albeit not direct 911 competitors, then maybe Porsche can or should do a 2+2 sport coupe. They may even do a sedan ?

      It seems they always wanted to do a replacement for the 928....a grand touring 2+2 coupe...

    But a sedan......ummmm...that would capture some or the older affluent empty nesters, the bulk of the baby boomers...
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    so if the battle is already on......at least clandestinely in the project rooms and boardrooms., then maybe Porsche should do a sedan and a 2+2 coupe. Try to maintain market share...

    But would it dilute the brand ?

    Would the thousands of retiring baby boomers (I hear that there are 5000 of them retiring every day ?) want to buy a more practical sporty Porsche, or want the purist 911 ?

    Is there a need to have a 928 replacement ?

    what do you guys think ?
  • i think porsche has surprised even people like me with their good reliability ratings of late and willingness to tackle their competitors head on. i know i was very apprehensive about the cayenne when i first heard about it, but people seem to like it.

    i think a fwd grand touring car with completely different styling than the 911/boxster egg shape would be exciting. it would add a new dimension to their line-up, that's for sure. i think a sleek 2+2 or sportwagon (shooting brake for you british types) like the RX-8 or the alfa romeo 156 sportwagon could work.

    i'm not so sure about a full sedan like the maserati quattroporte though. i guess if porsche wants to stay alive like bmw they're going to have to grow or die. maybe a sleek sedan isn't such a bad idea. even if we never buy one, it'll sure make for good reading and gawking! ha ha!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I personally think Porsche does need to do another GT car. The Ferrari 612 Scagletti, Bentley Continental GT, and Mercedes CL65 AMG all need to be answered, since these heavy "GT" cars are able to readily outrun most 911s. I see the Porsche GT being like the 612, lighter than the others in the class (the Bentley is obese) and able to outperform them with less power.

    M
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    of you....it would be nice for Porsche to answer the sport sedans with one of its own...

    However, would it dilute the name brand, any more than the Cayenne ? I guess it may not....since it is just really updating the 928...though there are a lot of people angry at the 928 also.

      Should it be the fastest sedan on the market, or just be fast enough....ala Jaguar XJR ?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Maybe Porsche has seen an opportunity to invade the BMW space given Mr. Bangle's decimation of the BMW sedan lineup. I for one would love the option of replacing my E39 5-Series with a Porsche RWD sedan with a V8 and a 6-Speed manual. Drool, slobber. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    yeah, I think it would be great for a rwd GT sedan with 300 to 450 hp....but weighs less than 3400 lbs...that would make it a great performer..

    but it has to be priced right....around 60K to 90K.....IMO>
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    I don't think Porsche can do it with sports cars alone. Cayenne is saving them. There's no reason to believe they can't do it with a sedan.

    The 928 had nothing to offer enthusiasts and couldn't garner new buyers. Which market could it steal buyers from? Please, not another one.

    Give the world a Porsche that can fit four full size human beings comfortably, outperform every sedan out there with just a hint of luxury and it could bring a herd over from all corners of the performance/luxury sedan world.

    Anything they can possibly do to save themselves and their venerable sports cars gets my vote.

    Just the thought of the release of a Porsche performance sedan with their hallmark minimal styling pushes all of my car thrill buttons. I can almost visualize it.
  • speeds2muchspeeds2much Posts: 164
    Ever since Porsche announced development of the Cayenne, I've wondered why the company didn't simply leverage the 996 platform and build a sedan, preferably with an AWD version. That would pull in the Porschephiles who wanted a Porsche but needed real 4-seat capacity and a decent trunk, without taking money away from racing and sports car development. I'm not sure the Cayenne has "legs," especially if the economy turns south again.

    Anyway, like designman, I can almost picture the sedan and I bet it will be a truly desirable car.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    I often wonder how long this SUV phenomena is going to last. There's just so much excess. Then again sports/performance cars fall into the same category. What's also interesting is the plight of German cars. You have to wonder if platform diversity is necessary for survival and how Porsche plans to deal with it.

    Speeds2much, I hope things are going well and that this fall brings a lot of 997 ownership chat from you. Be careful of those FMY issues though.
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    it seems like the SUV craze will die down a bit , especially among the people who just bought it for the style, instead of the utility.

    sports sedans are still good.
    sports station wagons are going strong
    sports coupes are making a comeback...

    I just feel that Porsche is reacting to the market, and doing it really late (always late to the party), instead of being the innovative, benchmark setting , auto maker...

    Can they get their act together sooner ??

    They should know that a lot of sports 4 door sedan buyers are going to get the BMW740, Maserati, etc...and hold on to those cars for a few years....
  • steven2steven2 Posts: 37
    Why could Porsche not put out a sedan that would compete with an M5 or a Mercedes E AMG? They could offer better performance while sacraficing a little interior quality, for roughly the same price as those two.
  • speeds2muchspeeds2much Posts: 164
    Yep, designman, you make a good point on the practicality of SUVs vs sports cars. On my scale of practical vs excess, the Cayenne just falls off the chart on the excess side, whereas a Boxster or 996 justifies itself simply because it's so fun (more so than any truck would be). For those few who own a Cayenne because they wanted a Porsche but needed the space, too bad Porsche isn't building them a sedan, eh?

    Anyway, the 997 is on my radar screen. I can't predict whether I'll order one this year. Depends on my trading account, because I would not buy a car at that price if I had to make the payments out of ordinary income. Would want to put a huge chunk down or pay cash. So maybe this year, maybe next...but some day... :o))
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Porsche sedan: I think it's a great idea!
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    think a sedan or grand touring car would be about right for the changed market....I think Porsche should make a very fluid , very sensual, yet roomy sedan ....looks should be very high on the list of goals....;-)
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