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2013 and earlier BMW X3 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • bmwksrbmwksr Posts: 5
    Thanks kyfdx.
    I will wait for the 05 models and get one.
    will let you know when i got one.

    Is the navigation system in BMW works good or not impressive?

    Thanks again
  • pjo1966pjo1966 Posts: 120
    It looks like the 2005's will be hitting the dealers on November 1st. Is there a final word on MF and residual percentages yet?
  • parniparni Posts: 14
    My concern was about $299 processing. And I didnt buy the mats, got OEM BWM rubber mats instead mainly coz they are Washable.. thx
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Posts: 9,359
    "which is 400 over invoice. but he says Mats are 100 extra! plus 299 processing fee. I think this is ridiculous. any thoughts????"

                Ridiculous.? .. hmmm, dealer has a $33,000 investment and you feel he can't make a profit on the floormats.? ... do you send last years Easter candy as this years Christmas present.? .... enjoy the vehicle, it's a Bimmer, not a Cavalier ................ ;)

                                  Terry.
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    Find out if the $299 processing fee is a standard dealer charge that's added on to every vehicle. If it is then you might have to cough it up. Remember when a dealer is making only $400 on a new $33000 vehicle, he will try to maximize his profits one way or another. I don't think you'd even hear about the processing fee if the dealer would have a reasonable profit from the vehicle (maybe over $1000). And you'd probably get the mats thrown in too.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • pjo1966pjo1966 Posts: 120
    I haven't been able to find an '04 X3 configured the way I want. If the '05's come in with the same results I will end up ordering one to my specifications. I've never done this before. According to my salesman this is the procedure:

    1. hammer out details of new car
    2. negotiate price
    3. get ETA... about 2 months
    4. leave deposit ($1000 or so). this is refundable as long as they feel the vehicle is sellable if the deal falls through.
    5. wait
    6. negotiate lease deal when vehicle is in. this is the biggest question mark because there's no way to know what deals will be out there in December / January when the vehicle would be due in.

    Does this sound like SOP?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,476
    All except #6.. You can apply with BMWFS and lock the current program in until the end of the second month... IOW, you lock it on November 10th, and those numbers are good until the end of January.. Then, when you are ready to take delivery (assuming it is before the end of January), you can use the November program or the one that is in place at the time of delivery.

    However, if your delivery is delayed, there are no exceptions.... Once your lock period expires, you must use the program currently in place..

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • pjo1966pjo1966 Posts: 120
    As always... your help is appreciated... thanks.
  • lojaklojak Posts: 7
    If you are in the market for an X3, wait and get the '05s! Especially if you're looking 3.0i. The 3.0i now come w/auto trans @ no cost, premium pkg for $1,800 including leather. I went to the dealer and he had a '04 w/premium, auto, leather, privacy glass, xenon, sat prep for MSRP $44,020, sell price $40,500. I thought, what a deal! But when I went on BMWUSA.com and configured an '05 with all the same packages, MSRP was only $41,245 - before discount. Why buy an '04 when you can get '05 for the same price? Besides, the '05 interior is so much better than the '04s now that it comes with standard wood trim.

    I just placed an order for '05 X3 3.0i, auto, premium, heated seats, privacy gls, sat prep, Nav system for MSRP $41,995, sell price $40,995. Now that's a deal.
  • lojaklojak Posts: 7
    Nav on BMWs are very good. I have 1 on my 325i sedan (had to get it because it was euro delivery and I'm not multilingual enough to ask directions in 3 different languages). We used it in Europe and didn't ask directions 1 time! It's fast and easy to use. I played with 1 on a Honda and after entering the address, it gave me one of those "loading...please wait 10% complete" msgs. What a joke! BMW Navs are instantaneous. I just love 'em.
  • markjennmarkjenn Posts: 1,142
    You're in the minority with your opinion on BMW nav systems. Tests routinely say they're among the worst and the Honda and Lexus systems among the best.

    - Mark
  • pjo1966pjo1966 Posts: 120
    Basically the only reason I want the Nav is to have a larger display for Sirius and Bluetooth.

    I agree the '05's are a better deal and the interior is much better. The invoice price on the '04 is just about the same on MSRP for the '05. It's a much better deal.
  • jane3jane3 Posts: 21
    I would like actual user info on the BMW navigation systems....my lease on my 325xi is up in december, and I am looking at the X3 3.0 and looking at the Nav option.....vs a Garmin aftermarket. I've used the Benz navigation system and it is fantastic.....
      any users out there with opintions? Do you know where I can go to find out peoples opinions on the nav of BMW?
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  • jane3jane3 Posts: 21
    Hi all, even after reading the boards, I still don't know if I negotiated right on a lease!! the facts are: 2004 X3 3.0 with leather seats, premium and cold weather pkgs, automatic, and pano roof. The cost of the car is $40790 and ended up with lease payments of $499....do you need more info? It is for 36mo/15k miles? The dealer was telling me he couldn't work a 2005, which isn't even in, for these numbers.....according to edmunds, the price is 3000 off, but because of time of year, etc...is this a good deal?
       I guess I have 3 days before it is final in the state of MA if I want to back out......
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,476
    1) Hard to know how good of a lease deal, because you didn't post the amount due at signing.

    2) Your dealer was telling the truth.. Even though the '05 is cheaper, the lease deals are higher, because the residuals/money factors aren't as favorable.

    3) There is no 3-day right of recision on car sales... Once you have signed and taken delivery, the deal is done.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • pjo1966pjo1966 Posts: 120
    Are the official residuals / money factors in for November yet?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,476
    I'm sure they are.. I just hear about them the way you do.. By checking discussions on forums... Usually, its around the 5th or 6th before the info filters out..

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  • rfrithrfrith Posts: 18
    I have BMW Nav system on 2 cars and both are excellent. I also have a Garmin unit that I use when traveling on business in Rental Cars. Even though the Garmin system is okay it can't compare to the BMW NAV.
  • jane3jane3 Posts: 21
    the amount due at signing was $2500 (first month, fees, acquisition, etc)....
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,476
    It seems like a decent deal.. Do you have the car now? How do you like it?

    (I try not to think too much about the price, once I've got the car..)

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • OK - I really like the X3's. My first choice is the manual transmission - quite hard to come by in the remaining 04's. I have had one dealer give me a price of 29,500 on a demo car with 6k on it - is this a good deal? Warranty has been adjusted to 55k and 4 yrs. Now, on the other hand there is a plain (no frills) 04 X3 with the manual transmission at another dealer. I believe his price is a bit on the high side - $32k. On top of that, he told me if he did not sell this week, he would put it in "loaner status." (Personally, I find it difficult to believe they would put a manual in loaner service.) I would appreciate any sage advice from all of you. (kydfx - you always have a good perspective.) Thanks to all.
  • I have to add to message #393 - the demo is an automatic with moonroof and satellite radio and luggage racks. And a very "aim-to-please" friendly dealer who came recommended. Hmm - manual or automatic...
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,476
    The demo seems like a good deal, but only if it is the car you want.. Also, the 4 years on the warranty starts from when they put the car in-service, not from when you buy it.

    On the new one.. if you price it out.. it should be selling for about $500 over invoice... If he is asking more than that, its too much.. Manual shift SUVs have to be hard to sell..

    regards,
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  • lojaklojak Posts: 7
    Frankly, I'd rather people render opinion on something they've actually used. For me, I have used the BMW Navs and the Honda Navs (w/o voice recognition). I prefer the BMW Navs tremendously. Sure it's not fancy, but it does the job quickly, exactly, and properly - just like a BMW. Other may try to impress u with on-paper feature lists and wizbangs, but once you use it, you'll know the difference.
  • lojaklojak Posts: 7
    Jane3,

    Here's a breakdown of what a lease price should be,

    Invoice per your config. $39,220
    +$500 dealer profit $39,720
    Cap Reduction $1,500 (out of your $2,500)
    Residue $23,434 (59% for 3 yr lse.)
    MF should be .00079 (1.9%, dealer may tell you 2.9% but 1.9% is available to 750+ CRC)
    Monthly lease chrg b4 tax $459.51

    If you opt for more miles the residue would go down a bit and if the MF is .00121 (2.9%) the monthly should be $485.20.

    Conclusion? You probably got a fair deal.
  • lojaklojak Posts: 7
    My feeling on auto vs manual is that on the X3, go with the auto. Manual is fine on e 3 series sedan/coupe but to appreciate the X3 and the xDrive, auto is a better option. The demo sounds like a good deal but beware! I test drove a demo (not buying it but just to get the feel of the car), and they get abused quite a bit. You warranty might take care of mechanical issues but the hidden wear and tear may fall under "normal wear and tear", therefore not covered under the warranty. There are plenty of 04 X3s left w/auto, so if you want a deal, go for those.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Posts: 9,359
    .......... If you "really" like and enjoy a manual and will "really" like and enjoy it in a base model in 2/3 years, then get it and enjoy it .... but, if your buying it to keep in budget, or you think you might be saving money, then do the *pass* dance .... these are extremely hard to sell or get a dealer to put any real money at trade time - kinda like the kiss of death and the resale value of mud ...................... ;)

                                    Terry.
  • pjo1966pjo1966 Posts: 120
    kyfdx...

    you had mentioned that if I were to order a car and I went through BMWFS I could lock in the current program for up to two months and then choose between the locked program and whatever the current program is when the car comes in. I asked my salesman about that. He informed me that I can only lock it in for 30 days. Is there a link you can point to where it is in writing so I can show him?

    Thanks!
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,476
    No link.. just personal experience... The 60 days thing has always been the case.. and I know it to be good as recently as this past June.. I guess its possible it has changed.. You could ask-a-dealer.. And, I think you know where I'm telling you to do that?

    regards,
    kyfdx

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