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  • nedc2nedc2 Posts: 192
    Mazda do offer the Tribute in Europe with the 3.0 l Duratec, it's not in the 6 because with gas prices of $4 to $5 per gallon there's not much demand. The base engine on the Euro version of the Jaguar XJ is 3.0 l V6, and the only Ford in Europe other than the Maverick/Escape that offers the 3.0 l is the Mondeo ST220, a highe priced perormance version of that car. You can get almost anything with a diesel though.
  • rp64rp64 Posts: 13
    Your response is incorrect. Mazda could use the Duratec anywhere in the world if they wanted to. They ship the engine to Japan to drop into the MPV. They don't since the rest of the world pay higher gas prices, and have been conditioned to use smaller engines. Don't say Mazda borrows from Ford. Mazda is part of the Ford family, period. This is why new Ford models are based on Mazdas and Volvos. This is why the Duratec is used in Mazdas and why the Ford 2.5 V6 is going to be dropped into a Land Rover.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    I won't nit pick as long as you get your rantings correct.
  • rock44xrock44x Posts: 78
    "The Duratec35 can be tailored to produce anywhere from 240HP to even 300HP if need be."
    thats a joke ford has v8 engines that make that must power doubt if the Duratec35 will make more that 240hp max.

    and also the mazda9 was at the NY auto show it was called the Lincoln Zephyr.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    But the V8's make much torque, and fit into certain platforms.

    The Duratec35 will replace, what (or displace) where the current 4.6L is at. Meaning, the 4.6L in the Explorer now making 239HP and 282TQ, will be redesigned with 3 valve techonology next year for it's mid-generation refreshning. (What's going in the new Mustang). That engine will make around 280-290HP in the next Explorer, this will leave a huge gap between it, and the 4.0L SOHV V6 210HP/245TQ.

    That engine will be replaced by this new Duratec 35, and make much more power overall, and pretty much ALMOST match what the current V8 makes.
  • rock44xrock44x Posts: 78
    "That engine will make around 280-290HP in the next Explorer"

    i have to see that to believe it. the new f150s 4.6 231 hp and 5.4L pushing 300hp but these are trucks, in the new 05 Five Hundred and Freestyle both have 3L engine pushing out 200hp, the only company that got a 3.5 pushing out around 280-290HP is nissan. ford is not in any hp war so why the huge power jump.

    05 Mustang base will come with a 4.0L V6 pushing out 202 hp and 235 lb-ft of torque while 05 Mustang GT will have a 4.6-liter V8 300 hp and 315 pound-feet of torque.

    if ford go form a 4.0 engine to a 3.5 engine in the next Explorer that would make no sense since all the mid sized suvs have 4.0L (4Runner, 05 Pathfinder)

    and last if there is a mazde9 it is most likely be a redress ford Five Hundred with awd and more power 3L or 3.5L with 240hp, mazda is not in any hp war too.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    " the only company that got a 3.5 pushing out around 280-290HP"

    The engine I was referring to was the 4.6L, although the 3.5L could make that type of power, it is the torque that's important for those applications.

    The 4.0L Cologne Engine won't be around for long, so the Mustang will also have the 3.5L phased in a few years as well. This is why Ford wasn't sure if to place the Duratec30, or the 4.0L as the Mustang's base engine offering, and took awhile for them to decide upon that. The 4.0L will give them the torque needed, but the 3.5L will have overall refinement and efficiency which will be needed in the next few years.
  • r2s2r2s2 Posts: 93
    "and also the mazda9 was at the NY auto show it was called the Lincoln Zephyr."

    Very astute observation. Hmmmmm.
  • sukispeedsukispeed Posts: 27
    If Mazda were going to produce the Mazda9 I would think it would me an SUV. This new SUV that they are going make along side the next Aviator. I don't think Mazda wants a larger car than the Mazda6. It would be nice to see a Mazda9 sedan, but I just do not see it happening.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    mazda is currently working on a $30-40K suv that should be bigger than the tribute but smaller than an Explorer. It may even end up being a crossover like the future avaiator. It is not green lighted for production yet, but it's deff in the works for serious consideration.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    "But overall, I think the thing to considering is the platform, and where this vehicle will stem from. There's 2 possibilities being tossed around, the current 500/Montego/Freeestyle platform, or an enlarged Mazda6 platform."

    That's interesting that you bring the former possibility up. Those three vehicles are built on the Volvo S80 platform. Since Mazda Ford and Volvo built the platform for the current Mazda3/Euro Focus/S40 together could it be possible that they might do it again for a larger platform that will be used to build the next gen of their respective models?

    I don't see why not.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    That's what's being tossed around currently. Also, Europe's Ford Galaxy minivan is said to be Volvo P2 platform derived since it's quite flexible as well. This will leave open options.

    Another thing to note, the Next Volvo S60 will share platforms with the next generation Jag X-type.

    So it brings out many possibilities.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Isn't the Ford Galaxy also rebadged as a Volkswagen Touran in Europe? (either the Touran or the Sharan, I don't remember)
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Yes it is, although that joint project might be desolved pending contract.
  • npaladin2000npaladin2000 Posts: 593
    That's not even close to the whole story. There's more to an engine than size, horsepower and torque. There's also where in the curve your horsepower and torque peaks are. Now, the reason Japanese get such high horsepower out of their engines is because they sacrifice torque to some degree, and their torque peaks are pretty high. GM tends to get lower pure horsepower and torque numbers because their torque peaks are REALLY low.

    Then you have to factor in what kind of technology they use (Overhead cams, variable valve timing and/or lift, variable intakes, exhausts, etc). A pushrod 4L won't get as much power in some cases as a SOHC 4L, but the SOHC engine is more expensive to produce, and harder to work on because of greater complexity.

    Simply put, The 3.5L Duratec most likely CAN get 300 HP, depending on the choices and comprimises they make.
  • What about the 4.6 in the Cobra? That puts out 390hp and 390lb/ft, those are fairly decent numbers, wouldn't you say?
  • lexi4lifelexi4life Posts: 181
    I think this car will really show up in the future, you know. Ford already wants to share the platform of the Mazda6 to build the Fusion. So that'd be easy for Mazda to build the 9 since they could just take the platform of the 500 and build a sportier car on it. Mazda and Ford are sharing platforms since a long time (Tribute-Escape, 3-European Focus, MX-6-Probe) so I don't see why they wouldn't do it again for the next 9.
  • I would rather see a Mazda 9 on the new Ford Falcon BA platform than the five-hundred.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    But, can the Falcon be adapted for the North American market on a cost effective basis? You'll note, that is rarely done - for a reason.... the Holden is the first attempt at this, and of course, Pontiac has sold, what 6 GTO's now???
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    That's the issue. Our crash standards are very different from those in Australia. Hence, it would require some engineering to allow it. Importing it could cause an issue with the UAW.

    But interesting to note, Ford NA does have a few Falcons they are studying, so there might be a possibility in the future for such a vehicle, provided it can be built from an existing platform, that's definately a MUST. But HANG in there, it might come around.
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