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Ford Focus 2005 release date



  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "Comfort and refinement are marginally better, which is saying something given the high quality of the old model. Handling – the steering is now electro-hydraulic - seems to be just as agile and rewarding as the outgoing Focus."
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Even w/ electro-hydraulic power steering?,2106,3054033a30,00.html
    "Concerned that electric power assistance could blunt the steering's communication and responsiveness, Ford bit the bullet and used a more complex and expensive electro-hydraulic system. There's no doubt that Ford got it right, for the steering is undoubtedly best in class, with a well-weighted, incisive feel from straight ahead to full lock, and no dead spot, just pure and linear tactility.

    The steering wheel imparts the state of the road surface and the level of traction and purchase back to the driver with almost telegraphic detail. It works in that sweetspot where there's lots of feedback and responsiveness, but not a skerrick of kick-back or over-reaction. In the history of front-drive cars, the Focus's steering can find itself in regal company, with that of the Alfa Sud, Golf GTi series I and the Peugeot 306 – few others come close."
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "The Golf we should have brought along for this comparison is the MkI GTI. The first high-performance front-wheel-drive Volkswagen was light and chuckable, all verve and poise, with intuitive controls that needed no electronic assistance.
      But we can't turn the clock back to this glorified, rose-tinted past."(p76, "BMW 120i vs VW Golf(series V)", August 2004, CAR)
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032 - HCARS2.html
    "Most models will get electric-hydraulic power steering, producing a better response to input, because, unlike traditional hydraulic systems, the assistance is not dependent on engine speed."

    So e.h. is better than h. as long as the e.h. is so well tuned to not lose any steering feel.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    This one is probably the more accurate production model, as the shifter section isn't separated from aft portion of the console:
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "Ford's all-new 113bhp 1.6 Ti-VCT (Twin Independent Variable Camshaft Timing) petrol engine, which replaces the current 1.8. Easily the most advanced petrol unit in the range, the four-cylinder motor boasts 14bhp more than the conventional 1.6, but is claimed to return a five per cent improvement in fuel economy, resulting in 43.8mpg in the combined cycle - although we only managed 32.7mpg. Our only complaint with the new powerplant is its lacklustre performance at low revs. With the peak torque of 155Nm not arriving until 4,150rpm, the engine needs revving to get the best from it. Ford's official figures suggest 0-62mph takes 10.8 seconds, and the unit felt every bit as quick as that on a private test track."

    "The good news is that despite the extra challenges presented by the UK's winding, potholed tarmac, Ford's high dynamic standards have been maintained. With immense front-end grip, the Focus is capable of carrying plenty of speed through corners, and has a superbly balanced chassis. Diehard fans will miss the pin-sharp steering and lively characteristics of the outgoing version, but the extra maturity and composure offered by the new model make this Focus a more complete package."
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032

    & being produced. That colored deep chin makes the car look Great-Wall tall:
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032 - - w&mCode=B4&rCode=B9&mDesc=Ford&rDesc=Focus&ro- - - adTestNumber=31.html

    "There's better suspension isolation and rebound - it doesn't thump over my test route like the Mazda 3 does and that's on the same chassis - and the really stratospheric sixth means that you can cruise quite comfortably at 80mph."
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    My computer freezes when I go to that link so could you go into more detail what it's saying? Was this official word from Ford that it would use the Focus II platform or just a random article? And even if it does wouldn't the car still be targeted to low-end economy car shoppers meaning the interior will be cheaper than the European version?

    I find the current Focus price outrageous. Sure it'll eventually get probably $3,000 rebates but the price is pretty much the same as the Mazda3 and Ford uses so many rebates (most people aren't eligible for all of them) that you get taken to the cleaners in resale value. Resale value isn't my first priority but it's gotten completely out of hand. Getting a cheaply-made Mazda3 at Mazda3 prices isn't so appealing. And using the Focus II platform will give them an excuse to bump the price up even more.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,426
    How do rebates hurt resale value? The car may be worth less compared to sticker, but you don't pay sticker so it is a wash. It just looks bad on paper, but in actuality rebates don't hurt anything.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    When there is many different kinds of rebates the potential of losing money is higher. An Accord has higher resale value than the Camry, and a lot of this is due to the Accord having little to no rebates and the Camry having rebates such as $1,000 off and military rebates. In this case it's close to being a wash since Toyota doesn't go too crazy with the rebates and you get $1,000 off upfront.

    But when you have such rebates as $1500 off that GM and Kia did last month for only Florida residents (due to the hurricanes hurting car sales) you can bet that money will effect resale value and essentially come out of the pocket of people who bought the same cars at the same times but weren't a Florida resident. I believe these rebates were available on top of rebates that everyone was already getting so there's $1500 people in other states didn't get.

    As with the Toyota/Honda example, I agree it's mostly a wash for the most part, but some companies go insane with the different kinds of rebates such as military, competitive bonus (trading in a car that's direct competition for the car you're buying), loyalty rebates, college grad, etc. Mazda even has rev-it-up coupons for $500 off floating around. The potential of losing thousands of dollars for not being eligible for these rebates at the time you're buying is great, and it indeed drops resale value.

    One month a Hyundai is $1500 off. A month or two later it's only $1,000. Or vice versa. Resale value is going to be based on the $1500 price drop, those who bought it a different month at a higher price are losing money in a sense. I'm sure there's an easier way to explain it but hopefully you understand what I'm getting at.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    This guy was reviewing a European Focus, one Ford has already said we won't be getting over here in the States.

  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "* MAZDA3: Ford’s North American Focus willjoin this architecture in approximately three years when all Volvo, Ford, Mazda, and Mercury small cars and crossovers adopt this platform. Cost concerns kept Ford from launching the Focus on this platform this year."

    This is the comment from the interview dated Oct 5, 2004 with Phil Martens -- Group Vice President, Product Creation, North America.

    I also found some discrepancy in his other comment, as the Nov '04 CAR magazine pointed out that the next Mondeo will be based on a stretched Focus II, not the Mazda6 as mentioned in this interview.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    The made-in-Taiwan Focus available locally about now is the world's first production Focus II sedan: - - - - 00228

    The wheel-well protrusion is so wide. Overall width is about 5.5" wider than the Focus I. That's almost like the 6" width difference b/t the BMW 1-series & the next 3-series!
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "Having originally considered V6 power, Ford has decided that the front-wheel-drive ST will use a 220bhp version of Volvo's 2.5-litre five-cylinder turbo. That means buyers can expect a 0-60mph time of around six seconds...But drivers wanting even more can look forward to a stripped-out RS model - complete with 300bhp and four-wheel drive - due on sale at the end of 2006."
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "Ford also has the option of creating an ST range-topper - this CC would use the Volvo-sourced 2.5-litre turbo set for the hatch version next year.
    With sales expected to start by the end of next year, the Focus CC is likely to make its show debut at September's Frankfurt expo. And it will be competitively priced, with the entry-level model starting at around £18,000, and rising to more than £20,000 for the flagship."
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032

    "The 1.6-litre Ti-VCT engine....The steering, too, is first class. Although less communicative than that of the original Focus, it is superbly weighted."

    Is it only the 99hp 1.6 equipped w/ the pure hydraulic, or even the 113hp 1.6 Ti-VCT is also? If the 1.6 Ti-VCT is w/ electro-hydraulic, then it is probably inevitable that its steering is less communicative than the pure-hydraulic Focus I. But even the Focus II w/ pure-hydraulic is less communicative than the Focus I w/ pure-hydraulic? Then why bother w/ the Focus II? Just be content & grateful w/ the continuation of the MORE-FUN Focus I in America!

    It is already known that the Focus I has a more playful oversteer drift than the Focus II.
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