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Kia Sedona

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm not sure that VCM is all that it's hyped up to be, either. CR tested a Sienna and estimates it'll cost less to fuel up each year, and it doesn't have VCM.

     

    Perhaps Honda is an expert at fooling the EPA in their tests.

     

    -juice
  • 2002 Kia Sedona get 19 mpg, 2003 Oddy gets 22mpg.

     

    it is true that EPA is not trustworthy.

    it said Echo gets 37/42 but in real test from motorweek it was 35mpg. Kia rio's epa rating is 29/32 but same real test resulted 34mpg.

     

    So Rio and Echo was pretty much same in real life. if you check the any test Drive Kia and Hyundai gets relatively higher mpg than epa rated and Honda and Toyotas get much real life mpg than EPA ratings.

     

    One more before sienna, Sedona was second to oddyssey in Acceleration even though it is hundres pound heavier and Sedona also has very good braking distance.

     

    Oddssy higher hp does not really reflect on performance as other Hondas. And Oddssy requires PREMIUM GAS which make Honda to increase 15-30 more hp. see Altima's engine.
  • -----2006Sedona, Sedona, caravan, Oddesey,Sienna

    length-202,----- 194.1,--- 200.5,---201,-----200

    width--78.3,------74.6,----78.6,----77.1,----77.4

    height 69.3-------69.3-----68.6,----70,------68.9

    wheelbase 118.9,--114.6,---119.3----118.1---119.3

      

    cargo---147-------128-------168------145-----149

    hp------240(est)--195-------215------255-----230

    tq------250+(est)--218------245------250-----242
  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    Check out this photo:

     

    http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_chicago/sedona/pages/- - z21Sedona.htm

     

    The engine appears to be mounted front-to-back, not sideways as is the norm for FWD minivans. I suppose it could just be cosmetic confusion. Or it could be anticipation of AWD?

     

    Jaz
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Could just be the engine cover itself, but it sure does imply it's longitudinal.

     

    Previews say good things, it's a lot lighter despite being bigger, and a lot more powerful than the outgoing van.

     

    -juice
  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    Im thinking that would be very hoakey indeed to misrepresent an engine's orientation, but it seems the most logical answer. Note that the intake cover on the current Sedona implies the correct latitudinal layout.

     

    Here's a speculative thought: the same 3.8 engine goes into the 06 Sorento, so Kia is standardizing for an AWD application which the Sedona may use later. Certainly you can make a latitudinal engine adapt to AWD but it seems that longitudinal is a bit easier if starting with a "clean sheet of paper". I believe the current Sorento engine (same 3.5 as the current Sedona) has an intake cover that implies it's correct longitudinal layout. Kia, so far, has displayed honesty in Engine Orientation Representation.

     

    I think the old engine was iron and the new one is Aluminum which right there could knock off 100 lbs. I'm thinking the mileage may go up 1 or 2 MPG, because of a lighter total weight, engine technology improvement and maybe Kia figuring out the EPA game a little better. A similar case was the Mazda MPV getting higher MPG with the displacement/hp increase in 2002. In the Sedona case we get a weight drop too.

     

    Jaz
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    A bigger engine pulling less weight should be more efficient, sure.

     

    -juice
  • craigmricraigmri Posts: 243
    The position of the oil fill cap(traditionally in a valve cover indicates the engine is still mounted laterally(sideways). I suspect the plastic engine cover is nothing more than astetics and a little confusing.

     

    Craig

    '04 Sedona EX
  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    Shame on Kia! ;)

     

    Craig, your are correct. Good observation.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    looks good. Should provide people a value alternative to the Honda Odyssey/Toyota Sienna with little compromises.
  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    Not only does it look like a good alternative but if it lives up to expectations it will put some pricing pressure on the segment.

    To me it looks like a 90% Odyssey - similar styling, dimensions, features and power. It may not be quite there yet but it's getting a lot closer. The price and 100K warranty will have to leave a lot of prospective buyers at least considering it.

    Jaz
  • carzzzcarzzz Posts: 282
    IMO, it looks(appearance) more like a sienna with power that is comparable to ody! but it is going to be a great alternative of both ody/sienna in terms of price and feature!
    it the only "mivi-van" with 6 bolts (for loads?), 5-speed with manual mode (sport-mode? tiptronic? whatever the name is), any other unique features?
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    A few years back the Grand Caravan ES had AUTOSTICK, but that was later dropped.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Prolly a 4 speed back then. But you're right.

    -juice
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    the demand just wasn't there. Or maybe Autostick was a victim of Chrysler's recent cost cutting.
  • sandpapersandpaper Posts: 60
    Is the horsepower really 240 or is that an estimate? I am puzzled because the 3.3l engine in the Sonata is said to have an estimated 237 horsepower (according to hyundaisonata.com).

    Only 3 horsepower difference between a 3.3 and a 3.8?

    I presume the 3.8 is the same one going into the Hyundai Azera as well? (replacement for XG350).
  • craigmricraigmri Posts: 243
    I believe the replacement for the XG350 will be called the TG Granduer.

    As for the 3.8, true it may not have all that much more horsepower that the 3.3 but consider one thing first. Minivans arent about horsepower. Its about torque and there is no replacement for cubic inches in this regard. expect the torque figured to be significantly greater on the 3.8.

    Craig
    '04 Sedona EX
  • sandpapersandpaper Posts: 60
    The thing is that most buyers have no idea what a torque is.

    Horsepowers figures are kind of like a first impression. For example, take into account Honda and Nissan's horsepower war over the Accord and Altima.

    This 3.8l is already being used in the domestic market Equus 'luxury sedan'. I think I heard that the Equus has 280 horsepower.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    True, but HP is competitive, and most people also won't care about the displacement so the 3.8l vs. 3.3l will be lost on those same buyers anyway.

    -juice
  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    A while back, the word was there would be a short and long version of the new Sedona. I even read that the short would be introduced first. Then the long version showed at the Chicago auto show. I'm wondering if the short version got canned?

    Jaz
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Or at least it might not make it to the USA. Asia often gets smaller/SWB vans.

    -juice
  • I am so thankful I stumbled across this thread before I committed to buying a 2005 DC T&C Touring!

    We had driven DC minivans for 12 years before going down in size to a 2005 Subaru Forester XS last July. It is really a great car for our local driving, but my wife and I find it just a bit too small for our long trips from Florida up North, so we were thinking seriously about swallowing the loss of trading too soon and getting back into a minivan.

    Only the T&C Touring offered the mix of options closest to what we wanted and needed (Trailer Tow group, even though we never tow, for the HD stuff, adjustable pedals, leather group and side curtain airbags. Nothing more). So I was THIS close to putting down a deposit and ordering one.

    We tried the Sedona back when it first came out and were really impressed by the quality, features and value for money, but it was just a bit too small for our wants. Now that we have seen the 2006 Sedona pics and read the preliminary specs, we have decided to wait and try one before committing to anything. We are even willing to take the risk inherent in buying an early production car if Kia can offer an EX with leather, adjustable pedals, ESP and TCS for around the same price (or hopefully even less) than a DC T&C with its more primitive engine, transmission and suspension. We really don't need disappearing second row seats.

    The only turn-off we see in the pics is that the radio and HVAC control displays are no longer illuminated characters on a dark background (as are those in DC minivans) but are black LCDs on a green background. We have that latter setup on our Forester and find the characters hard to read in full daylight, besides being just butt-ugly!

    But the ability to play MP3s would be most welcome. None of the music we like is available on CDs, anyway.
  • Another thing I notice in the pics of the interior of the new Sedona is that the armrests appear to be padded, a nice touch that I don't remember in the 2005 DC T&C I test drove.

    An interesting bit of errata in the pics posted on the Chicago Auto Show web site is the remark about a removable (on rollers) third row seat.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I will probably replace my Odyssey about two years from now, and my very short list is as follows:

    Kia Sedona
    Toyota Sienna
    Honda Odyssey
    DCX vans
    A numerous number of crossovers.

    Any word about pricing for the Sedona?
  • slovanslovan Posts: 10
    tomorrow hyundai will unveil at NY replacement for XG350 with new 3.8L-V6 (autoweek.com).
    Isn't this the same engine in new Sedona?
    Anyway, I like to see Sedona with 265-hp, that would help compete better will Sienna or Odyssey.
  • Even the preliminary spec of 240 hp in the Sedona will be more than ample. I have noticed that the same engine used in different vehicles often carries differing hp/torque ratings, sometimes due to tuning for different uses and sometimes due to no more than restrictions arising from a more convoluted and restricted exhaust system.
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    I noticed that, too. Yes, that will probably be basically the same engine - possibly tweaked slightly for more HP or torque in one vehicle or another.

    240hp seems somewhat conservative based on the other specs given for that engine. 265hp seems more likely.
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Posts: 2,554
    Re: padded armrests:

    Our 2002 Sedona has rubberized armrests. They aren't rock-hard, but they sure aren't what I'd call 'padded.' The armrests in my parents' 2003 Sedona are leather-covered and nicely padded. This was one of a few minor but noticeable improvements Kia made on the 2003 Sedona. The other that stands out in my mind is the addition of a gas cap holder.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I was all excited, the Sedona was in NY and not roped off, but then...it was locked! What a stinker, couldn't get in. Lame. :-(

    -juice
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