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Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ

ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
I'm opening this forum about the Lincoln Zephyr. It'll be the new Lincoln entry vehicle that will be released at the New York Intnational Auto Show. Based on the Mazda6 platform, in AWD placed as Lincoln entry vehicle under the LS.
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  • upsetter1upsetter1 Posts: 205
    You mean its a production vehicle, kinda Futura ?
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    Except Futura doesn't exist anymore.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,907
    Sounds cool - do you have any links to pics?

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  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    They will be released at NYIAS. The program has a tight lip on it.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Can't wait to see the new "look" of LIncoln. Can you tell us if it's got the 61 Continental styling cues like the new Aviator seems to have?
  • grbeckgrbeck Posts: 2,361
    I'm anxious to see this one. I just hope it isn't the 2006 Lincoln Versailles...at least the Mazda 6 platform provides an excellent foundation.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Nvbanker, Do you think I know what the 61 Continental was like? Let me do some research on the 61 Conti first, and move on from there :-)
  • dondiliodondilio Posts: 55
    I hope the new Lincoln doesn't lose the sporty character of the 6. I can assure you the 6 platform is a solid foundation. I consider myself a Ford man, even though last year my lease ended and I found myself in a crossroad to buy another identical Taurus or switch brands. Even though Im completely familiar that Mazda is controlled by Ford, my father worked for Ford, I sometimes feel nostalgic that Im not driving a Ford. I bought the Mazda mainly because Ive had great experiences with the 3.0 Duratec but it turns out the car itself is a great car with wonderful underpinnings. I give an A++ to that platform and powertrain. Im positive the 10 models derivated from it will be a hit.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    What happened to the Futura???
  • dondiliodondilio Posts: 55
    It seems theres a problem with Pep Boys and their Futura tires. Could you believe it!!

    There are speculations they might name the Futura Four Hundred.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The Zephyr will be sporty like, entry vehicle for Lincoln.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Not sure I'm good enough at this to find you a picture of a 61 Continental and insert it or not, but I may give it a go if I'm slow after lunch. Meanwhile, the interior of the new LIncolns, Navigator, Aviator, Navicross, all have a dash & cowl design reminiscent of the 61 Continental, which was a huge success! The 07 Aviator has an almost identical eggcrate grille to the 61 Conti. So, I'm wondering if the waterfall grille look is out, and the 61 Eggcrate look is the future of Lincoln.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Yes, I asked around and got a huge file on the information of the 61 Conti. Maybe the Aviator concept gives us a glimpse as to what they are trying to conjure up. Granted, the concept at the autoshow will be a culmination of positive reviews over the previous Aviator and other Lincoln concepts of before. Depending how well it's received (the Zephyr concept) then it'll depend on what styling elements will be kept/enhanced/replaced/etc.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Well, for one, I LOVE the new interiors of the Lincolns, which is probably priority one for me when I buy a car. The exterior style needs to grab me too though, and I'm a big fan of the Waterfall grille - not too anxious to see it die, but I'll keep an open mind.
  • bretaabretaa Posts: 130
    ... Well, I'll say this... It's certainly distinctive and won't be mistaken for anything else on the road. It's not really my cup of tea, as I haven't liked any of Lincoln's neo-60's Continental reborn motifs.

    It's the interior, though, that really disappoints me. I know the style is what Lincoln has been doing lately, and I'm sure the quality and detailing will be good. But take a look at the Acura RL concept interior or the current TL and take a look at the Infiniti M45 concept interior and, in my opinion, the F-series vents and A/C controls (and shifter?) with that neo-60's dual hooded style just doesn't match up. And could the gauges be smaller? What happened to the electroluminescent gauges that at least updated that 60's look?

    Again, I know it'll appeal to many here, and I'm glad it does so, and I hope it sells a ton. But as someone who really liked the LS and was looking for a vehicle with similar aura but just more distinctive, the Zephyr is just not something that gets my heart racing. Too bad, as I really have a soft spot for Lincoln.

    - Bret
  • nedc2nedc2 Posts: 192
    I'll have to reserve any judgements about the interior of the new Lincolns until I see the production versions, but I'm not happy with their colour choices on their concepts. The off-yellow looks washed out, boring and not even practical. It's almost as bad as black on black. Most European cars have had distinctly two toned interiors for ages, they are dramatic looking and practical, the darker colours on the dash, atop the door panels, etc. cuts down on glare and reflctions in the windows and windshield whilst the lighter colours on the seats lower door panels etc. give the interior a roomier feeling and make it easier to see where you dropped your parking stub. Please do go to a nice classic two tone interior on the production models, and offer something other than those awful pukey yellows.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    Much better than I expected! Looks pretty good!
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The concept is just 80% of what we will really see. IN other words, some of the gripes mentioned, will probably not make it to production. This being, the gauges which are highly doubtable. The bumper's will definately not be implemented as seen, nor the frontal fog-light looking recesses. Interior colors are another thing that will be altered differently from what you seen (for safety reasons).

    Some styling elements that date back to older Lincolns, will be kept. Notice the waterfall grill, is what Lincoln has, and will be, sticking to. With the emblem centered. The rear lights will make it. So will the twin cockpit design it has.

    It'll sport a 3.0L V6 (HP not released yet) and 6Speed auto (which will improve acceleration dramatically). And AWD and 3.5L will be implemented soon after.
  • nedc2nedc2 Posts: 192
    Do you have inside info on the bumper design? I never thought that the T-Bird would look so much like the concept especially the front grill and bumper, but the production model's front end was nearly idenical to the concept's and the Zephyr's front bumper looks more bashworthy than the 'Bird's.
    Anyway, the new exterior styling looks good, I like the direction Lincoolns going with it. It harkens back to classic mid-century modern American design. Maybe they could do some lifestyle marketing tie-ins with Knoll and Herman Miller. Don't know if that'll sell to the Hip Hop bling-bling generation though.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "Specialty" vehicles such as Tbird, Corvette, Aston Martin, etc. can get away with having such softly styled bumper's since it's highly unlikely they will be crash-tested by NHTSA or IIHS. (instead, the manufacturer might suply the data/testing) Since very few are sold, and they are expensive as it is, they (being NHTSA and IIHS) rather relocate their monetary resources onto other vehicles which more consumer's will purchase.

    Granted, as long as they past the federal standards of 5MPH bumper's must endure. The only assessment where such vehicles might be critisized, is on the bumper bashing tests that IIHS periodically performs. Later critisized by other media outlet's when there's a vehicle that's a bad performance... lately, the Acura TL for example.

    As for the Zephyr, the actual bumper's will be a tad more pronounced. The side stays as is, maybe a rub strip might be integrated for example.

    Since it's a concept, the manufacturer will test consumer's reactions towards the vehicles. And I know for a fact, Ford reads these boards.... so mention ALL likes and dislikes so they are aware of it.
  • nedc2nedc2 Posts: 192
    Do you have inside info on the bumper design? I never thought that the T-Bird would look so much like the concept especially the front grill and bumper, but the production model's front end was nearly idenical to the concept's and the Zephyr's front bumper looks more bashworthy than the 'Bird's.
    Anyway, the new exterior styling looks good, I like the direction Lincoolns going with it. It harkens back to classic mid-century modern American design. Maybe they could do some lifestyle marketing tie-ins with Knoll and Herman Miller. Don't know if that'll sell to the Hip Hop bling-bling generation though.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    I plead the 5th.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    ANT14 is the Ford employee assigned to monitor these boards?

    C'mon ANT, tell them to keep the Taurus name and put it on the Futura, since Futura can't be used. Keep the bull in the family. Naming every car with and F is just too confining.

    I suppose Taurus is too masculine to pick up the female customer? So what, they can buy the Lincoln or Mercury version.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I may have found my next Sedan! Personally, I love it, inside especially, and the outside doesn't look bad either.

    You mentioned the waterfall grille is here to stay as a styling theme for Lincoln? Makes me happy, but then why did the Aviator concept have the 61 Continental eggcrate grille on it? Testing the waters?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    It's still some months away and a bit too early to tell, but drive the vehicle and see if you like it, I believe that will be the part which might convince you otherwise.

    I agree on the interior, but I'm currently dealing with a vehicle with chrome instrumentation bezzles, and I can tell you it's quite annoying to have reflection hit me, and the windshield at certain times of the day.

    But more info should pour over the next couple of months... Either way, every person has their favorite between the Zephyr, Milan and Fusion.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Badger,
        I do not believe they have a specific person that monitor's web-boards per-se... can you imagine that position... "Hey what do you do?".... "OH I just go online and read board all days". I believe it's more in the lines of personal data/information. Example, If Joe Shmoe were in the styling dept. of a specific vehicle, and wanted people's impression of a certain concept...think of what the web-boards can do and for free! Without having to spend money on consumer groups. That's an example.

    NvBanker,
        Testing waters... You know how the Futura concept (which-ever name they pick soon), it has a different grill, than the new 500/Freestyle/Focus are using this year........
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