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Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ



  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    It cannot be retrofitted on any models. It needs factory installation.
  • The Speed Channel program "Autoline Detroit" will be running a segment this Sunday featuring some independent reviews that discuss recent quality improvements on Ford produdcts. I don't know any more details, but it should be interesting. But oil prices hit an all time high today. They are pushing $100 a barrel. Even if Ford's quality is the best, big luxury vehicles like Lincolns don't sell well when gas prices spiral up. So what are Ford's plans for developing a fleet of more fuel efficent vehicles? They will need to be at the forefront of a future that may not include gas guzzlers.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    I also wonder where are all of the Hybrids that Billy Ford promised. You would think that the automakers would be running full tilt to get more of these out to the public. I also understand that as gas goes above 3 bucks only then does the public start to think about these types of vehicles. Right now in order to get a luxury hybrid you really have to spend some big bucks. I assume we all must wait until the 2010 model years to really have some choices. I predict 3.50 gas by Spring.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    I love the nav system in this vehicle. I was recently overseas and drove a BMW and Merc and their Nav system does not touch the one in the MKZ. I was wondering about the storage capability of the address book. First I assume it is stored on flash memory? I am not happy with the capacity of the address book. I can save about 40 entries. There are not many bytes in a name and address even a cheap flash memory device should be able to hold 100's of entries. Any ideals why the constraint?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    2 issues - first, they can't get enough batteries right now for the Escape, much less any other hybrids. Second - Ford is developing a gen 2 hybrid system that is more flexible and can be used in more existing vehicles and it's not quite ready yet. The hybrid Fusion should debut next year.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    It's always like that, isn't it? Things at Ford take longer than they do. Sales will pick up "later." All these plant closings and buyouts are going to make a more "efficient" company.

    Now, the promised hybrid Fusion will be out in 2009! Mulally needs more than 14 months to make any changes that actually benefit sales or bottom line. A hoped for 2009 profit may be too soon. This basket case company is no closer to survival than it was a year ago.

    Jac Nasser could have put the company to the top by now. Instead, the suits lost nerve, got scared and fired him. To save money. Like that worked.

    With BMW, Audi, VW, Hyundai, etc., all planning huge onslaughts of product and market conquest (not to mention what happens when Chinese companies begin marketing here), companies like Chrysler and Ford are in danger of going the way of American Motors. What company do you know that has shrunk its way to sustained profitability?

    I do hope MKZ doesn't really stand for Mulally Knows Zip.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Who said the Fusion hybrid won't appear until 2009? It should be here next fall.

    I truly believe that with Fields, Mulally and Kuzack in charge that we won't see the waffling, indecisiveness and short sighted decisions that have plagued Ford in the past. Unfortunately they can't fix past screwups in just a few months.

    Here is a good sign (IMO): The 09 Fusion refresh was originally scheduled to get the PIP D3.0L and not the D3.5L due to supply issues with the D3.5L and all the new vehicles. Somewhere in the last few months the D3.5L program was accelerated and the PIP D3.0L program was all but cancelled (might still be used for the Escape).
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    Well, I am with them all the way. My sons only drive Fords and they said that is the way it will be for them! I hope they kick some butt out there in the coming years especially in the Hybrid arena. Gas just hit $ 3.10 here in the DC area for regular!
  • Anything new on a redo for the 09 MKZ? I hope Ford doesn't let this thing rot on the vine like they do with so many of their offerings. Status quo is never competitive.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    The refresh is well underway. It's still unclear whether we'll see it in 08 as an 09 model or if it got pushed back to 09 as a 2010 model. It should get the new 3.7L engine and new front/rear styling (front should look like the MKS/MKR with the split front grille). A new interior is also rumored - hopefully more traditional like the MKS. We should know more at Detroit in January.
  • pmerk28pmerk28 Posts: 121
    Anything new on a redo for the 09 MKZ? I hope Ford doesn't let this thing rot on the vine like they do with so many of their offerings. Status quo is never competitive

    Yes, I am waiting to see if they will do the same with next generation Fusion to improve on the things wrong with the current car. Ford specializes in making the next generation model worse than the previous or barely better.
  • I have been considering a MKZ as a replacement for my wife's Grand Prix GTP. I like the interior and the luxury perks on the car. Hopefully it should have comparable (or better) performance. The one item I am undecided on is the AWD. I am leaning against it. I have a 4x4 truck for bad weather. Would it noticably change everyday driving characteristics and more importantly what about long term service and maintenance? I plan on keeping this car a long time(100K+) as a daily driver with the Idea of getting a corvette as a weekend car maybe 3-4 years down the road.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    Stability control would actually be more useful than AWD and has no mileage penalty. Unfortunately, it will not be available until the 09 model.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    I am happy with the AWD. It has been helpful during rain storms and the few snowstorms we get in the DC area. We really got a downpour a month ago and I had no issue on the highway. I at least had confidence.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    Except that AWD will not help you much at all in slippery conditions where you or your momentum are traveling faster than your traction. Stability control combines anti-lock brakes, traction control, and often yaw control to brake (or apply throttle) to individual corners faster than you can think about it.

    AWD will provide at least one spinning wheel on the front and one on the back and that is often better than say, rear wheel drive without traction control or limited slip differential. It also allows FWD cars to handle more than 200+ hp burnouts more gracefully. But a person should still have stability control. It is commonly available, not expensive, proven-to-save-lives technology.
  • It does seem odd that an entry level luxury car would not have TC, our Grand Prix has it. I have never owned an AWD vehicle. I wonder if the AWD would be durable on a long term basis?
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    I thought Ford committed to having ESP on all cars by 2010?
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Some cars will get it before 2010. The MKZ should have had it already. They must have supplier issues; I can't believe they didn't think it was wanted.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    It does have TC (traction control) but not Stability Control. It requires 4 channel ABS and the CD3 cars only have 3 channel right now. It was a mistake and it should be fixed in the 09 model.

    There are more moving parts with AWD but it shouldn't be that much worse than a FWD vehicle.
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