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Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ

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  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    Is there going to be a Lincoln version of the Freestyle, with a V8? Seems to me like that would be a very desirable vehicle.
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    The Freestyle will be moving to Mercury in 2-3 years. They need products more than Lincoln does to justify their existence.
  • Well I think it was in this discussion thread that the question of a prop rod being used to hold up the hood had come up (if not my mistake I have also been following the threads at the Autoweek forums). Anyhow the manual seems to confirm that indeed the Zephyr uses a prop rod for the hood, step 3 from the 'Opening the hood' section:

    3. Lift the hood and support it with the prop rod.

    Though its not a big deal my dad's Taurus has self supporting hinges so why can't they put them in the Zephyr?? I'm hoping its just an early version of the manual and perhpas this is not the case when I actualy get the car.. but oh well would have been nice but too late now :)

    Also doesn't seem like I can get those snow tires just yet, the manual doesn't really give much info on tire specifics, so not even sure what exactly we get on the Zephyr.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Well sort of, it would fall under the "people mover" vehicle, but NOT as we presently know it. It's "different"....
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    I'd rather have the prop rod. Struts fail, metal rods generall don't. Had one in my ranger and it wasn't a problem. I just don't see why it's such a big deal.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    It's going to turn into one of those, "Ewww, that's a money saving way of doing things, if they are going cheap there, imagine where else they are going cheap"...or the infamous, "Well car "A" only has gas struts, and this one doesn't, that's IT...I will not consider this vehicle".... ;)
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Egggxactly, ANT! It seems cheap, feels cheap, because most cheap cars have a prop rod. Luxury cars just don't, and it would be a real negative to me, to have my Lincoln have a prop rod. I'm sure it's because the
    Mazda 6 has a prop rod - but it's unacceptable. It may not be a deal breaker, but it could come damn close for me.... They need to wise up and ask a GUY in their focus groups. I'm sure the gals in the focus group don't care, as they peruse the color pallet, but I do. And I don't want, when I'm showing it to my friends in the cul-de-sac, that comment about EWWWWW, my Cadillac has struts. I would probably never open the hood for anyone again.
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Posts: 187
    Stopped to look at a Milan yesterday; and all they had was a 4 cy 5 speed. Sat in it but didn't drive it. The seat was too short & uncomfortable. It was parked next to a Zephyr. Drove the Zephyr & found it to be alround a very nice car; but I was a little put off by a $31,000 plus sticker.

    Went home, pulled up Edmunds on the net & did some comparisons between the Fusion & the Zeyphy. A loaded Fusion SEL has a dealer cost of about $23,800, and the comparable Zeyphr has a dealer cost of about $28,400. A $4600 dollar difference is a heck of a lot to pay for a little nicer interior and a few whistles and bells; especially when its associated with a brand with a depreciation history like Lincoln Also noticed that sticker price on a sunroof for the Fusion is $895. and $1200 for the Zeyphr.

    Nice car? definitely. Good value? No way!. I like the car & I'm going to buy the first of the year; but they're going to have to come up $2000 - $3000 in rebates/discounts before I'll put it on my short list. .
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I likewise looked over the Milan & Zephyr today. I do not feel the price is outrageous - actually, I thought it very favorable for a Lincoln. There is more stuff in there than you see, that makes it much quieter and rides much different and better than the Milan, it's worth most of the premium, IM0. I liked the design of the dash, and it was pretty comfy. I did not like the ultra high cowl level. I hate a car where I feel like I have to strain to look over the cowl, but that high beltline will call for a high cowl - a design mistake from my driver's position. Visibility is more important to me. Loved the Air Conditioned seats though :P

    Secondly, would it have killed Lincoln to change the design a smidge? This is the ultimate badge engineering to me - as the Milan and the Zephyr were parked right side to side - making it painfully obvious that this is the very same car - the doors are identical, the trunklid is identical, the tailights are a little bigger on the Zephyr, but very similar really. Both have dual pipes. The hood is a little different and the grille is more Lincolnish, but under that, the fascia is just about the same. I mean, from the side, I could mistake them for each other easily. All the glass is interchangeable. Very disappointing. Would it kill them to give the Zephyr a little different roofline? Reminds me of the Oldsmobuick days..... Disappointing.

    I'm a Lincoln fan - but this one won't attract me, sad to say. If I'm going to buy a Lincoln, though I think the price is fair, I want a different car than the Mercury. Like the Town Car is to the Grand Marquis. They are identical underneath, but no panels are shared between them whatsoever......like it should be.
  • deanvitdeanvit Posts: 23
    I like most on this list too would like to see more separation between the Zephyr and Milan. However, badge engineering did not prevent me from purchasing an I30 which for all purposes is Maxima. What sold me on the I30 was features per dollar as I purchased it at invoice. Is a fully loaded Zephyr worth 35K, not IMO. However, Lincoln probably doesn't expect to sell it at sticker. Fully loaded around 30-32K with nav, ventilated seats and THX may make me forget about it being a GT or Super Sport variation of the Milan.

    The real question for me which is obviously too early to answer would be long term durability. Though it appears that Lincoln has recently made large strides in that area.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,423
    No, it's not a big deal. It's just an indication of quality (or lack thereof) that makes a difference to some of us.

    My VW Golf has struts on the hood, and my Mazda Millenia has a prop rod. It is akin to the difference between manual and power windows. Every time I raise the hood on the Mazda and carefully insert the prop rod (so as to not scratch the paint), I think how cheap for a car that otherwise exudes quality.
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Posts: 187
    Hi ANT 14.

    A suggestion: Combine the Zeyphr forum with the Fusion/Milan forum.

    They are essentially the same car

    Lincoln is not even listed in your index of forums

    Not - for whatever reason - a lot of traffic on the zeyphr forum

    I'm sure this suggestion will bring protests from the diehard Lincoln members; but it should provide a platform for a thorough discussion and comparison of the 3 cars,
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,316
    Diehard Lincoln members?

    Having a convention in a phone booth comes to mind.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    I took a look at a Zephyr and a Milan today. I think the Zephyr interior is excellent considering the price. The manual tilt/telescope wheel is a bit crude and awkward compared to the LS power adjustment, but overall, I think the interior is the best feature of the car - maybe the best of any Lincoln. As for the exterior, I pretty much agree with nvbanker. Actually, from a styling standpoint, the Fusion is my favorite of the 3.

    As for the prop rod: Ford missed a golden opportunity here. If they had made the rod removable from under the hood, they could have used the same rod to hold open the trunk and save money by eliminating the struts back there. For just a few bucks, they could have put a series of hinges in the rod so it would fold and could be used to prop open the sunroof, thus saving even more money. It could even be stored in the console and used as a weapon against car jackers. They could have a name for it like "multi-function econo-stalk" and the focus group folks would have loved it.

    Seriously, ANT, please don't let the prop-rod plague spread to the upcoming Volvo based Lincolns. I won't bore everyone by restating the reasons.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,918
    This issue has already been raised and at this time, we're keeping the discussions separate.

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  • haironghairong Posts: 153
    Isn't it time to ship both threads out of Future Vehicles Forum to the Sedan Forum, since they have arrived, kirstie_h HOST?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Thank you, kirstie - that was a dumb suggestion. :confuse:
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,918
    Yeah, we'll be doing that in the next couple of days. I kinda like to keep ahold of the enjoyable discussions as long as I can before passing them off to Pat :)

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  • Remember look at the back of the Zephyr...then close your eyes...imagine a Lexus emblem on the back...keep your eyes closed and open your mind...now what do you think.

    The new Lexus IS30...hope it does not drive like a rock like the last IS30.

    I'm not brainwashed by the media and the corporate money power craze...how about you?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Excellent observation, howard...... You have a point.
  • scrapzscrapz Posts: 4
    Has any of you purchased a Zephyr using the Ford X-Plan? I am currently car shopping and I'm interested to know the approximate discount I can expect.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    Lincoln's should be 0.4% over dealer invoice. Good luck finding a dealer willing to accept it. They're in short supply right now. You might be able to order one via X plan even if they won't give it to you off the lot.
  • scrapzscrapz Posts: 4
    Is that 0.4% or 4%? Either way it's not much of a discount. I read that someone got about $4K off a Ford Five Hundred using the X-Plan. But that was in about July '05, and the car was an '05. They may be been trying to get rid of the '05's.

    Thanks for the info.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    That was 0.4% or roughly $125 over invoice. That $4K included incentives. Right now the Zephyr has a $500 rebate plus another $500 if you finance with Ford. That would come off the invoice price. And with X plan the dealer cannot charge a doc fee - that's worth another $300-$400 right there. Given the high demand and short supply X plan would be an excellent price right now. You won't come close to invoice on one otherwise until the supply builds up and demand weakens.
  • I just got a Zephyr a couple of days ago using the A-plan discount. I was also able to get $1,000 in rebates, and they are waiving security deposit on the Zephyr this month. I am leasing the car for 2 years and have a very reasonable note because I was able to get the car under invoice price. I have the silver frost color (by far and away the best color to go with, IMHO). Its loaded w/everything except for the nav system. It really looks classy and distinguished. Its definetly been turning alot of heads.
  • Congradulations, lucky you, I still have two weeks to go (at least) to get mine, I just want to see it in person now this waiting is killing me, I hope it gets here before its too cold to do a good detail job on it. Need to claybar out all that rail dust for sure and maybe a few coats of zaino should keep it protected through the winter.

    So anything new to share now that you have one ( other than what's been discussed to death already here :D )

    I really like it in Black but with our winters here it would be a pain to keep clean so I went for the tungsten silver which was my second choice in colour.

    Well enjoy the car :)
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Hey, congratulations crock! You're our first owner here in the forum! Keep us posted on your satisfaction, etc.....
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    "Hey, congratulations crock! You're our first owner here in the forum! Keep us posted on your satisfaction, etc..... "

    Actually, battousai is the first owner. Read messages 514 and 521.

    Anyway do keep us informed if you can crock.
  • LOL Well I may have bought first but he did get his first, so I'm willing to concede :D
  • jtfordjtford Posts: 12
    Copy of my post in Fusion/Milan/Zephyr thread:

    We're in the market for a mid-sized sedan and I test drove a V-6 Fusion SEL a few weeks ago. Well, at lunch on Friday I had the opportunity to drive a couple of different Lincoln Zephyrs at a local Lincoln dealer in the Philly area.

    I'm 33 years old, the owner of a '98 SVT Contour that I still enjoy flailing, and a recent graduate of Bob Bondurant's Grand Prix Road Racing class this spring, and I can say never imagined I'd find myself in a Lincoln dealer. But based on the good impressions I got from the Fusion test drive, I wanted to see how the Lincoln offering stacked up. To summarize, I walked away VERY impressed with this car.

    First the exterior styling is nice though conservative and generally inoffensive. Exterior styling didn't wow me in an emotional way, but generally it looks fine.

    Interiorwise, I loved the interior with the chrome and light maple wood finish. I questioned the look in the brochure and pictures, but in person, the look of the light maple, chrome and tan interior palette is fantastic. I saw a car with the darker interior with the dark walnut wood, and in my opinion, the light maple is such a better and classier look. The leather on the seats is a high-quality soft leather and has a rich feel to it, and the center stack has a nice look to it.

    If you get nothing else from this review, take my word that this car must be driven before you can judge it. It has one of the best balances of comfort and handling I have ever driven in a car in this price segment. The ride is quiet, smooth, and soaks up bumps, but unlike say a Lexus ES330, the handling is still sharp and well controlled. There is always some trade off in comfort vs. handling, but in this case I think Lincoln nailed it. The roads around Philly are generally chewed up, and the comfort was appreciated, all the while, the handling was very satisfying.

    I took two cars out on two test drives (one without nav and one with nav), and I have to say the more I drove this car, the more I loved it. The accelleration is generally strong and the 6-speed auto behaved itself nicely. Also notable was how quiet and solid the cabin felt. After about 10 minutes behind the wheel, I found myself smiling and nodding my head in approval. It satisfied in a way that the Fusion didn't.

    Also, I have to say that the A/C fed through the perforated leather in the seats is quite possibly the greatest luxury item introduced in the past 50 years. I never even considered the merits of such a thing, but after experiencing it, it is phenominal.

    So in summary, I'm right with that Edmunds review. I walked away very impressed with this car. In the segment I'm looking in, namely mid-size entry-lux sedan keeping the price close to $30k, this is a winner to me, certainly a strong contender. The RWD Caddy CTS is nice too, though I found the Lincoln interior more satisfying, and the ever more slightly comfort-biased ride and serenity to be more appreciated in the real-world commutes we all live in. The handling on the Lexus ES completely failed to satisfy. The Acura TL is another contender, but again, I liked the look, feel, ride, and handling of the Zephyr better. As an aside, I appreciated the RWD handling of the CTS over the TL.

    Anyway-- please, don't judge this car until you drive it! I think everyone that does will walk away impressed. When you put it all together-- mid-sized room, price, luxury, ride, handling, solid/quiet interior, luxury touches in the cabin, A/C in the seats (try it out on a warm day before you laugh!), it's a compelling choice.
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