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Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ

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  • Hello everyone,

    been reading through all the posts here since I have recently purchased a Zephyr, just awaiting delivery (a few more weeks to go still). Found a lot of interesting info and thank you all for that, both the pro and against folks.

    Someone posted a link to the manual for the Zephyr a while back but even though the Ford fleet site had it labeled as the English version it was unfortunately in French, so just wondering if anyone has a link to the actual English manual?

    EDIT: I just checked again and now they have the correct English manual linked!

    There is no way yet on the lincoln.com site owner section to register 2006 vehicles so can't check there.

    Oh BTW this is what I got in my Zephyr:

    Tungsten Silver
    HIDs
    NAV (includes THXII)
    Heated/Cooled seats
    Standard rims even though I was offered the chromed ones, there's as much chrome as I like already on the car :)

    Now not sure if the handsfree bluetooth kit is available from Ford, neither was my dealer so he told me if not he would install an aftermarket bluetooth kit for me at no charge, sounds good to me :)

    Oh and I guess I am one of those 'young' people Ford wants as I'm a 30 year old IT pro. The more I looked at it the more I began to like the car, and there are some very nice videos and photos available if you sign up for the Ford media page.

    I was originally looking at an M45, but then I may be leaving the country (Canada) on work in the near future so wouldn't make sense for me to spend 70K on a car that I may have to get rid off on short notice, the Zephyr was a good compromise as it has many of the features I liked in the M, minus the engine and RWD of course, but at least it is a car that I can pass on to my dad if I had to leave and he could manage the payments on it.

    I also didn't want to go to the so cliched BMW camp (there are just waaay too many of them around here). There were no BMWs or Mercs that even offered as much as the M45 did for the money so why would I go and spend more to get even less :). Besides the Ford dealer that we deal with for our other cars has been good to us for the last decade so we know the service quality will be there. The first time I went to look at the M45 the Infinity guys didn't even come out and talk to us for ten minutes!

    And to all those arguing over the car.. in the end its just a car.. enjoy life ;)
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    Wow! Congratulations on your purchase! :) Hope you post regularly to tell us about the car.

    I too like the Zephyr and don't find it to be just a dressed up Fusion. I'm glad you feel the same. Question - how much did you pay for your car?

    And FYI, M45's dont cost 70K. 55K is more like it, give or take some.

    Did you cross shop any competitors before buying this car? How did you feel they compared.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    "The Mark LT is the most egregious example. It IS an F150 with more chrome. They didn't even change the front facia--only the grill insert."

    Ok, true enough, but the Cadillac Escalanch is so totally different from the Chevy Avalanch? Nope - it's the same truck, with a bigger engine (I think), and a different front end. Actually, the Mark LT has much more in the way of tacky add ons than the Cadillac does.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Just look at the front ends of the Camry/ES330 and the Fusion/Zephyr and decide for yourself how different they are.

    The only problem with FWD based AWD is that the engine is transverse which causes a weight shift towards the front. It's hard to get a 50/50 weight balance on a FWD based vehicle. And just like Audi, Lincoln's AWD will be rear biased (more torque sent to the rear than the front). I don't know of any full time AWD systems that allow you to switch completely to 2wd (that would be a part time 4WD system).
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    That's right...in the end it is just a car. And I've got into a game of splitting hairs over something I actually couldn't give two farts about. ;)

    Note to akirby: I agree that the front ends of the ES330 and Camry resemble one another more than the front ends of Fusion-Zephyr do. However, not only is every front body panel and trim piece completely different between the two Toyotas, every other body part is different, including the sides and greenhouse, and interior dimensions. The ES330 has more hp. The Camry has more room.

    As I've said too many times, the Fusion and Zephyr share the roof, entire greenhouse, doors, interior dimensions, engine...maybe it is just me, but if I am to pay 10K more, I want a little more effort at differentiation. I also know that this may not matter to the next guy, and that's OK.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    But my point is the average consumer would never look at those types of things. Most non car enthusiasts don't even know that the Mountaineer and Aviator are (were) based off the Explorer. The difference in front and rear styling and having a different interior is enough for most people, and it keeps the costs down. Maybe that's why the Zephyr is about $3K cheaper than the ES330?
  • haironghairong Posts: 153
    There was a guy in the Fusion/Milan forum, just like you, argued in vain that Zephyr and Fusion look too much like each other, much more than ES330 and Camry. It wasn't until he himself posted pictures of both camry and es330, did he shut up for good. If you are interested, search the other towhall forum for "es330". I think it's in July/August when those pics showed up.
  • Hi nav89, Yes you are right the M45 is 50-55K I should have clarified I live in Canada so that's 70K (well 71K for the M45 Sport I was looking at) in CAD$.

    Yes I will try to keep everyone posted once I get the Zephyr, I did look at the Maxima which while it has a better engine and a few more bells and whistles, just didn't quite do it for me. I like the look of the Zephyr, its not too brash, but its no old timers car either. I didn't even look at any Honda products, though they are fine cars, just the whole 'fanboy' attitude that some of the owners display turns me off them (besides they all look almost the same.. a 70K RL looks like a 30K Accord for all purposes, thanks but no thanks.. oh yeah and that's CAD$ :) ). No Toyotas appealed to me at all, and the lower end Audi's BMWs, Mercs etc just don't seem to give you much for the money. Granted the BMW's have driving performance on their side, but for that I'll look at something a little sportier down the road as a second car.

    It is leap of faith I guess since there were no Zephyrs at the dealers when we ordered so there was no chance for me to even see one in person or drive it, but it has a good foundation in the CD3 platform and from all I have read and seen it should be a good car.

    I am leasing mine and so all I know is the payments are at most CAD$720/month I'll have to dig up the actual final price of it haven't had much time to even look at it for the time being since the car is still a few weeks away. My dad did much of the negotiating since he knows the salesman for many years and is a regular Ford customer.

    Now that I got the manual and specs on the tires I should probably go look for some snow tires and rims for the winter :D

    Cheers.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    It's not just about platform/shared cars looking different, it's really more about the upscale version BEING different in superior ways. The Lexus is - the Zephyr is.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    There's a few other vehicles coming from Lincoln that will inundate the showroom in the next few years. Next release will be the Lincoln Aviator Spring of 06, as a 07 model built upon the CD3 platform. (current one had to die since it was on the Explorer platform, and that was just redone). Then you have the more powerful AWD Zephyr joining soon after, then the Lincoln sedan(S) will come in next. Then there's the "people mover" arriving, and that's currently all in planning stages.

    Now for the "in the talks" programs, there's a Lincolnized Mustang, poissble convertible that is being talked about, and another small ute....
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    Is there going to be a Lincoln version of the Freestyle, with a V8? Seems to me like that would be a very desirable vehicle.
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    The Freestyle will be moving to Mercury in 2-3 years. They need products more than Lincoln does to justify their existence.
  • Well I think it was in this discussion thread that the question of a prop rod being used to hold up the hood had come up (if not my mistake I have also been following the threads at the Autoweek forums). Anyhow the manual seems to confirm that indeed the Zephyr uses a prop rod for the hood, step 3 from the 'Opening the hood' section:

    3. Lift the hood and support it with the prop rod.

    Though its not a big deal my dad's Taurus has self supporting hinges so why can't they put them in the Zephyr?? I'm hoping its just an early version of the manual and perhpas this is not the case when I actualy get the car.. but oh well would have been nice but too late now :)

    Also doesn't seem like I can get those snow tires just yet, the manual doesn't really give much info on tire specifics, so not even sure what exactly we get on the Zephyr.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Well sort of, it would fall under the "people mover" vehicle, but NOT as we presently know it. It's "different"....
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    I'd rather have the prop rod. Struts fail, metal rods generall don't. Had one in my ranger and it wasn't a problem. I just don't see why it's such a big deal.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    It's going to turn into one of those, "Ewww, that's a money saving way of doing things, if they are going cheap there, imagine where else they are going cheap"...or the infamous, "Well car "A" only has gas struts, and this one doesn't, that's IT...I will not consider this vehicle".... ;)
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Egggxactly, ANT! It seems cheap, feels cheap, because most cheap cars have a prop rod. Luxury cars just don't, and it would be a real negative to me, to have my Lincoln have a prop rod. I'm sure it's because the
    Mazda 6 has a prop rod - but it's unacceptable. It may not be a deal breaker, but it could come damn close for me.... They need to wise up and ask a GUY in their focus groups. I'm sure the gals in the focus group don't care, as they peruse the color pallet, but I do. And I don't want, when I'm showing it to my friends in the cul-de-sac, that comment about EWWWWW, my Cadillac has struts. I would probably never open the hood for anyone again.
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Posts: 187
    Stopped to look at a Milan yesterday; and all they had was a 4 cy 5 speed. Sat in it but didn't drive it. The seat was too short & uncomfortable. It was parked next to a Zephyr. Drove the Zephyr & found it to be alround a very nice car; but I was a little put off by a $31,000 plus sticker.

    Went home, pulled up Edmunds on the net & did some comparisons between the Fusion & the Zeyphy. A loaded Fusion SEL has a dealer cost of about $23,800, and the comparable Zeyphr has a dealer cost of about $28,400. A $4600 dollar difference is a heck of a lot to pay for a little nicer interior and a few whistles and bells; especially when its associated with a brand with a depreciation history like Lincoln Also noticed that sticker price on a sunroof for the Fusion is $895. and $1200 for the Zeyphr.

    Nice car? definitely. Good value? No way!. I like the car & I'm going to buy the first of the year; but they're going to have to come up $2000 - $3000 in rebates/discounts before I'll put it on my short list. .
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I likewise looked over the Milan & Zephyr today. I do not feel the price is outrageous - actually, I thought it very favorable for a Lincoln. There is more stuff in there than you see, that makes it much quieter and rides much different and better than the Milan, it's worth most of the premium, IM0. I liked the design of the dash, and it was pretty comfy. I did not like the ultra high cowl level. I hate a car where I feel like I have to strain to look over the cowl, but that high beltline will call for a high cowl - a design mistake from my driver's position. Visibility is more important to me. Loved the Air Conditioned seats though :P

    Secondly, would it have killed Lincoln to change the design a smidge? This is the ultimate badge engineering to me - as the Milan and the Zephyr were parked right side to side - making it painfully obvious that this is the very same car - the doors are identical, the trunklid is identical, the tailights are a little bigger on the Zephyr, but very similar really. Both have dual pipes. The hood is a little different and the grille is more Lincolnish, but under that, the fascia is just about the same. I mean, from the side, I could mistake them for each other easily. All the glass is interchangeable. Very disappointing. Would it kill them to give the Zephyr a little different roofline? Reminds me of the Oldsmobuick days..... Disappointing.

    I'm a Lincoln fan - but this one won't attract me, sad to say. If I'm going to buy a Lincoln, though I think the price is fair, I want a different car than the Mercury. Like the Town Car is to the Grand Marquis. They are identical underneath, but no panels are shared between them whatsoever......like it should be.
  • deanvitdeanvit Posts: 23
    I like most on this list too would like to see more separation between the Zephyr and Milan. However, badge engineering did not prevent me from purchasing an I30 which for all purposes is Maxima. What sold me on the I30 was features per dollar as I purchased it at invoice. Is a fully loaded Zephyr worth 35K, not IMO. However, Lincoln probably doesn't expect to sell it at sticker. Fully loaded around 30-32K with nav, ventilated seats and THX may make me forget about it being a GT or Super Sport variation of the Milan.

    The real question for me which is obviously too early to answer would be long term durability. Though it appears that Lincoln has recently made large strides in that area.
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