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Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    They're selling great relative to production capacity but they've not sold that many to date in total numbers, so you won't see that many, especially in rural areas.
  • Yet another reason to buy the MKZ. Its very good to see that at least some us cars don't give upmuch to the competition.

    Hopefully there are some interrior revisions as well.

    It will be interesting to see if they have dealt with torque steer from the FWD version, since that much power might have some.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Now the Lincoln boys need to get going and cannot sit on winning best cup holders. Just saw in the new redesigned Chrysler Sebring that they will have heated and chilled cup holders 140 - 35 degrees!

    The battle continues. It never ends and hopefully we (the consumer) will continue to benefit! :shades:
  • hondacbr1khondacbr1k Posts: 12
    Well the one nice thing about 221hp in a front wheel drive car is that it is much more controllable. I had a 2004 Maxima with 265 HP and that thing had really bad torque steer. The Acura TL the same thing. I'll trade a few ponies for more composure. I just can't use the HP I have anyway between fear of tickets and no place to open her up.
  • rolo77rolo77 Posts: 31
    Does any one know the Ratio of the AWD, front/rear power and with 263 HP, I would think the AWD would have no problems with Torque steer, also with the extra weight of AWD drive, how much would that effect MPG (2 to 3 highway ?) and 0-60 times maybe (.3 to .4 second slower ?)

    just weighing pros/cons AWD vs FWD
  • buckwheatbuckwheat Posts: 396
    "Designer Anthony Prozzi is putting his touch on a new interior for the next-generation Lincoln Zephyr (to be called the MKZ). It's quite a challenge -- especially considering that the current model has won accolades for interior design." No specifics, just clues!

    http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=23722
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,423
    It may have won accolades from some quarters, but anything Lincoln can do to stand out or lead will be even better. The current interior is a great improvement over what had been offered in American designs, but it still doesn't have the refinement of Audi or the coming S80 Volvo or even the 2007 ES350.

    As I was driving by the Lincoln store today, the line of Zephyrs at a quick glance looked like Fusions with a Lincoln front end. CTS Caddys certainly don't look like gussied up Malibus. So jazz up that interior and try to hang in there until Lincoln has enough money to make Lincolns look like Lincolns again.
  • buckwheatbuckwheat Posts: 396
    While dates are always subject to change, today is reportedly the last day of Zephyr 2006 model year production. 2007 model year MKZ production reportedly commences on 9/4/06..
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    I would hope not, since Malibus and CTS are totally different vehicles in different platforms.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,423
    I would hope not, since Malibus and CTS are totally different vehicles in different platforms. My point exactly.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Introduced only last autumn, Lincoln's dealers sold only 4895 Zephyrs through the beginning of February.

    No wonder you do not see them on the road.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    I do not see any difference in the 2007 in the areas of the grill or wheels. I put up the photos from Edmunds for the 2006 and compared them to the 2007. Besides the engine it looks like a work in progress.

    http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_display.cfm?release=22595
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    They sold 2,264 in June and have sold 15,672 YTD. Lincoln sold 50K LS's every year for the first 2 years and you'd hardly ever see one on the road. They sell over 30K camrys every month and I've only seen a few new ones. It takes a LOT of cars to see them frequently on the road.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Thanks, where do you get these actual sales figures from?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    Thanks, where do you get these actual sales figures from?

    From Ford, of course! http://media.ford.com that is. They post them at the beginning of each month. Here's the June sales figures:

    http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=23686
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,423
    It's too bad the Zephyr does not have more production. I don't think it has the drawing power that the LS had at introduction, but I think it would not take much effort for Lincoln to sell more than half as many Zephyrs as they did LS's initially.

    Sales of the MKZ will be very tellng regarding Lincoln's fate. 50,000 a year is good, but not a high figure. That is the projection for the MKS, and that is lower than Lincoln would like for a "volune" seller.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    The focus is no longer on volume but on profitability. They designed the Focus/Milan/Zephyr to be profitable at the current volumes. If they can grow them beyond that then that's fine but they want to avoid overproduction which causes huge incentives and lowers resale values.

    I think the 3.5L availability will keep the MkZ at current volumes for another year - then they might move production to the Edge/MkX plant where it could grow if necessary. Better to keep plant capacity high and dealer inventory and incentives low.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,423
    Agree on all your points. It is too bad though that Zephyr was designed to be a low volume car, since Lincoln could use a model with higher volume that is actually supported by demand. Like the original Navigator, or the 1990s Town Cars. Or even the 2000 LS. Of course the MKZ is not that, because it is a competitive-but-innocuous product that does not inspire passion or any significant "gotta have" feelings.

    Maybe the MKX will catch on. Having a handful of products, all of which sell at less than 50,000 units a year (even if profitable), will not bring Lincoln back to where it was six or seven years ago.

    I'd like to see Lincoln listed again on this forum's face page where common brand names are given, without having to resort to the drop-down menu to find it (Mercury isn't there either).
  • buckwheatbuckwheat Posts: 396
    In its second model year the Zephyr, now called MKZ has been significantly improved with a stronger, smoother engine, and 6speed transmission. A new front appearance, new wheels and available all-wheel drive. If its new appearance does not jump out at you thats because the changes do not overwhelm. The "waterfall" grille - has been updated which now shows seven "teeth" on either side of the central Lincoln emblem (the Zephyr has nine). The chromed horizontal bar in the lower facia between fog light assemblies is new. The wheels have been changed for 2007 they still have the eight spoke appearance of the 2006 but the spokes resemble the concept wheels but at 17" and not the larger that was on the concept.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Took a group of folks to lunch yesterday here in DC. All they talked about was how beautiful my car was outside and inside. They also stated that they have never heard of the car before. The Zephyr does turn heads everywhere I drive. Stands out in the city and where a Lincoln is still a Lincoln. Heard something about Lincoln is no longer going to make the Towncar. That is all you see around here in DC. I am going to get the MKZ when it comes out because I want the Navigation system, THX sound, and cool seat options.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Starting 2007, powertrain warranties for Ford/Mercury's will be stretched to 5 years, 60K miles, and 6 years, 70K miles for Lincoln.

    I've been at pushing this for years if some of you have remembered from earlier posts.
  • scootertrashscootertrash Posts: 698
    If anyone cared about Mercury, it should get the longer warranty.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Ant: You did a hellova job on the Fusion/Milan. Congratulations! It's a great car for the money, in the Ford tradition.

    I've been worried about you, ANT! You're my favorite engineer, and I haven't seen you around for MONTHS! Was afraid you were in the trunk of some MKZ!!

    NV
  • rolo77rolo77 Posts: 31
    ANT14

    This may not apply to you but here goes, get the boys at Lincoln to get moving on the AWD MKZ, I am stationed in Japan and put a down payment on the car, but I was told it would not be ready for a NOV 15TH-DEC delivery date, only the FWD will be ready, so my wife is putting to pressure to buy the infinti G35 AWD, if anyone hear's that the MKZ AWD will be ready by MID NOV please let me know so I can get the military sales dealer know, trying to but AMERICAN (a relative term) if I can.

    Chief
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Anything can go wrong at any time, although November seems about right when the AWD comes online.
  • rolo77rolo77 Posts: 31
    Thanks, I guess since my overseas lead time for my order is 3 months to build, thats why I can not order the MKZ AWD
    for a Dec 1st pick-up time, well thanks again maybe and I can cancel my order and pick-up one from a local dealer

    Chief
  • tiger16tiger16 Posts: 54
    I currently own an 06 Zephyr. I am somewhat intrigued by the 07 MKZ's new engine. Since my round trip to and from work each day is 85 miles, the small fuel tank of 17.5 gals has actually been my only complaint with the car. It may not sound like a big deal to many but, with work, grid lock on I-95 everyday and "other" driving, I find that I'm filling it up every 3 to 4 days - a bit of a pain in the butt. I've seen different specs from Lincoln that state either 17.5 or 20 gals for the MKZ. Does anyone know at this point? Perhaps this is a question for ANT. The extra 2.5 gal tank just might do it for me. If it's still going to be 17.5, I'll stick with what I have. There's not that much difference between the two to make the move. Seems like everything the MKZ competes with has a minimum of 18.5.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    I wonder what car this is:

    http://www.leftlanenews.com/Lincoln_LLN.mpg

    Looks like the MKZ but could be the MKS.

    One thing for sure is that the MKX sure has a lot of technology features in it. I might make the switch if I coudl figure out what its fuel type and MPG ratings will be. I wish they would hurry up with the hybirds. We are about to really take it in the shorts on fuel prices. Anything that happens in the world is now used as an excuse to screw us at the pump. If the auto guys were smart they would disconnect themselves from big oil.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    That's the MKS concept car with LED adaptive headlights. The LEDS on the side light up for corners without having to move the main light. Unclear when or whether this will show up in production.

    The MKX has headlights that move but no HIDs or LEDs. In FWD form I'm estimating 19-27 mpg based on the current Fusion/Milan/Zephyr 3.0 ratings.
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