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Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ

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  • prigglypriggly Posts: 643
    There is NO direct comparison to the Duratec 3.0 in that article. And the "as much as" language could also mean there would be 0.00001% improvement...or none at all.

    Utter rubbish. The 3.5 is directly compared to "the '06 Zephyr [which] is powered by the outdated 3.0L Duratec that generates 221 hp." The article goes on to state, "The Lima plant, which builds the 3.0L Duratec V-6, will have capacity to turn out 325,000 3.5L engines annually when it begins production later this year.

    The Duratec 35 is projected by Ford to power one in five of the company's North American vehicles by the end of the decade. Mated to the 6-speed automatic transaxle, the combination is expected to improve fuel economy as much as 7%."

    If that's not a direct comparison, I don't know what is.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    That's written in marketing speak. The "as much as" and the comparison to what vehicle configuration both leave room for this "comparison" to be to the least efficient existing vehicle drivetrain the new engine AND transmission replace....there is no direct comparison to the 3.0 engine with the SAME transmission, nor is it even clear the comparison with the 7 percent figure is referring to the 3.0 at all.
  • caliddcalidd Posts: 60
    When is the 2007 MKz expected to hit showrooms?

    And when can we expect bigger savings on the 2006 Zephyr in anticipation of the arrival of the 007's?
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 643
    there is no direct comparison to the 3.0 engine with the SAME transmission

    Then what, pray tell, is this statement referring to if it is not the present 3.0L and 6-speed transmission?

    "The Duratec 35 is projected by Ford to power one in five of the company's North American vehicles by the end of the decade. Mated to the 6-speed automatic transaxle, the combination is expected to improve fuel economy as much as 7%."

    It is patently obvious that the comparison is most certainly to the 3.0L (present) engine with the present 6-speed automatic transmission and that the new combination of 3.5L with the present 6-speed automatic transmission will result in 7% greater fuel efficiency.

    Why must some of you constantly berate the car and attempt to attach negative spin to every facet of it? Do you just hate North American automotive products? Do you think the only good products come out of Germany and Japan? Is it any wonder the U.S. has a progressively crippling trade deficit?!
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    "Why must some of you constantly berate the car and attempt to attach negative spin to every facet of it? Do you just hate North American automotive products? Do you think the only good products come out of Germany and Japan? Is it any wonder the U.S. has a progressively crippling trade deficit?! "

    I have been thinking the same thoughts. What is up with these folks just tearing about ever spec. Can we just enjoy the car and somewhere in the back of our mind root for the home team just a little. I own the Zephyr and love it. The car is classy looking, comfortable, the sounds system is off-the-hook, regular gas, enough power for me, rides smooth and was 2k less than the 2000 Chyrsler 300m I purchased 6 years ago. BTW: I owned a Mercedes and it stayed in the shop so much that I got rid of it!
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 643
    bigt, I think that there are just some folks who are so biased against every North American product that they have lost the ability to be objective. Basically, they are sad evidence of the success of the Japanese and German automotive Madison Avenue hype machine.

    Granted, some of the Japanese and German offerings are superb, not all, and they are most certainly not without their own particular warts. Generally, the Japanese cars are bland although for the most part reliable while the German offerings are good performers but quite unreliable and prone to high and frequent service costs.

    The Zephyr/MKZ is an excellent car by any standard and will become even more competitive with the advent of the 3.5L engine. It is an unusual combination of cachet, quality, performance, refinement and value.
  • Excellent thoughts, priggly and bigt. Thanks for saying it.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Excellent thoughts? Perhaps, but in this case misplaced. I currently own an AWD Five Hundred SEL. With the 3.0 Duratec. Am trading for the 3.5 as soon as it is available.

    Why must others ascribe to those who point out marketing speak motives they do NOT possess? Well?
  • Actually, I was mainly referring to the "let's root for the home team" attitude in the two posts just prior to mine and didn't intend to weigh in on the earlier discussions, analyze marketing speak, ascribe motives to anyone, or anything like that. Sorry if it sounded like it.

    I just get tired of so many in the automotive press waxing rapturous over Japanese and German cars, as if American cars are pieces of junk.

    As for the 500, I've always thought it a shame Ford didn't equip the 500 with a stronger engine. I'll agree with the nay sayers that the styling isn't eye catching, but it is "nice" and it's eminently more practical, likely safer and more reliable, than the other big American sedan it's always named against, the Chrysler 300C. Not having a stronger engine just gave the pundits one more thing to carp on.
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    Link

    A bit of a disappointment that prices are going up, but totally expectable due to the new engine and AWD.
  • Uh oh.
    That story said:
    "Ford currently discounts each Zephyr it sells by an average of $4,342"

    I hope no one flips out.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    That's only because of the lease subsidies and it's terribly misleading. If you purchase a zephyr right now you'll get $1K in rebates, not $4K.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    Wrong. Our local dealers are giving up to $4300 in rebates/discounts, listed in a line in the newspaper ads, off the MSRP before any dealing is started.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Discounts off MSRP are NOT incentives. Incentives come from the factory and reduce the cost of the vehicle. Discounts off MSRP simply reduce the amount of dealer profit. Apples and oranges.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    Not so. Often those discounts are supported by the manufacturer. In any event, more than $1,000 of the advertised discounts are called rebates. And it certainly fits with news reports of average per car incentives.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    If the discount comes from the manufacturer, that's an incentive because it reduces the amount of profit the mfr makes. That's different from a dealer selling a car for $500 over invoice. Ford makes the same profit no matter what the dealer actually charges for it.

    If I buy a vehicle on X plan, the dealer is required to give me any and all incentives including dealer cash and customer rebates. The dealer is not allowed to keep anything that reduces their cost for the vehicle.

    The current X plan incentives for the Zephyr are $500 cash OR low financing, plus another $500 from Ford Credit. There is no other incentive from Ford if you're purchasing a Zephyr. There is no additional dealer cash. The $4K incentives comes from the heavily subsidized lease deals.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    Sounds good. It is a good looking car. 3.5L will make it competitive. AWD is a plus, though FWD bias is not good, intelligent or not. >$2000 price increase is not good. As someone said, why not keep price and ditch the incentives? ALso, it is my firm belief still that the alphabet-soup name changes is a dumb idea and a waste of money. Here they have a sales winner and they're throwing away the name and must remarket a new name. Stoopid.

    I saw another Zephyr on the road recently and noticed for the first time the "thin horizontal reflector lamps within the lower fascia". Kinda cool I thought. Then I saw a Mazda 6 and whattyaknow? - same reflectors on its bumper. No differentiation there.

    Finally, the thing that keeps the Z from being a real car and not another blue-hair set Lincoln - the pathetic 'D-L' gear selector. Few people who want anything other than a comfortable appliance will buy the Z with that granny-mode shifter. Too bad, the rest of the package is fairly decent.">
  • ...the pathetic 'D-L' gear selector. Few people who want anything other than a comfortable appliance will buy the Z with that granny-mode shifter.

    Interesting observation there. I must be one of those who superficially at least only want a comfortable appliance, because I can't remember the last time I shifted my LS out of "D." For daily driving I just want to put the car in Drive and go. If I want to shift, and many days I miss the interaction of a manual, I'd have bought a stick. Are there any studies of people w/ a manumatic actually using the shift feature with any regularity? Frankly, I don't get them. Where's the fun of shifting w/o the heel-toe coordination of the clutch?

    Back to the MKZ, however, seeing the D-L gear selector when I test drove the car was disappointing. I suppose I want the illusion of some control by having more than "D-L," and I suspect the casual shopper might think it's a weird setup, walking away with some nagging thought like "something just didn't look right, but I can't put my finger on it."
  • The 1965 Buick Skylark with a Powerglide that I had in high school only had "D" and "L" and by golly if it was good enough then, it's good enough now!
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