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Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    It's not the best system available. Not as good as the Mark Levinson system e.g. And it's not going to rattle your teeth with tremendous base. But from what I've heard it's a great sounding system.

    Why don't you go listen to one and decide for yourself? Car audio is way too subjective.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    That is what I need to do. I need to take some time and go listen for myself. Most of the Levinson systems outside of the 450 watt LS 460 are under 300 watts. :(

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    Demand might be high in some parts of the country, but I do see alot of them as inventory at dealerships down here in Tx, which makes me think I could achieve a good deal of some sorts. If I'm paying $1500 over invoice I'm getting a free bumper to bumper warranty up to 100K, and some other incentives otherwise I'd walk. ;)

    Rocky
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    Just call the dealerships, ask for the sales mgr and ask him or her how much over invoice they want for a loaded MKZ. They'll usually tell you straight up. If they don't then hang up and call another one. Whatever they quote you will probably not include the infamous "doc fee" - additional dealer profit - usually around $400. And make sure that you get to keep any rebates.

    Just remember a bumper to bumper extended warranty like that will cost the dealer at least $1000 and TANSTAAFL (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch).
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    I was offered by 3 dealerships first $1000 over invoice and then after just one more email $500 over invoice. This was for a fully loaded AWD MKZ. I did not ask about the 100k warranty but will I really keep it that long. I doubt it. But hey, I will ask anyway! :)

    Has anyone see the MKZ in Vivid Red?
  • If you get a real, Ford issued warranty (ESP) it is refundable if you sell the car before it expires.

    The best place to buy them is www.fordwarrantys.com
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Thanks, does anyone know if you have a buddy who works for Ford if you can use any of his discounts in the purchase of a new Ford or Lincoln?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    You can get a X plan pin which would equate to about $300 over invoice on a Lincoln with no extra fees. However, the dealer is not obligated to accept X plan on a MKZ (or any other vehicle). They get a spiff check from Ford on each sale so they might be willing to do one, but it's strictly up to the dealer.

    Just ask the dealer if they'll accept X plan on a MKZ. If they say yes then go get the PIN from the employee. The price is preset so you don't have to worry about that.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    So far they are willing to accept on stock MKZ.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    You won't get a better deal right now than X plan on a MKZ. Go for it!

    The fact that it's a no haggle price and they can't add any extra fees makes it a no brainer.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    I am going to see if I can order the one I want. They do not have the color I want.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Ok, everyone will take Xplan but then one guy said I will do better and give you invoice and on top of that you can order or change specs on a due-in. So if I go invoice will they add something that they cannot with Xplan?
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    I bought my 2001 LS with an X-Plan PIN and I ordered it just the way I wanted it. Took about 3 months.

    I'm surprised by akirby saying the dealer may not accept it. I thought they HAD to accept it, like it or not. I could be wrong.
  • I'm surprised by akirby saying the dealer may not accept it. I thought they HAD to accept it, like it or not. I could be wrong.

    Dealers are not required to participate, but if they do, they must be an authorized Ford Motor Company dealer for the product sold and agree to abide by the guidelines set forth in the New Vehicle Purchase Plan. Ask for a copy of the vehicle invoice which shows the "X" plan price in the box labeled "X Plan" located in the lower right hand corner (lower left for Volvo- not displayed for Jaguar or Land Rover). This is always the correct "X" plan price. The dealer is required to provide you with a true copy of the factory invoice showing the X Plan price.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    if x-plan is 300 below invoice, why is invoice price better?
    i would think you can order a vehicle a x-plan price, too.
    another thing is, no fees can be added with x-plan, such as document fees. ask for the otd price.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    He posted that the X plan is $300 OVER invoice, not under.
    So, some people can do better than that if they can negotiate invoice on their own and not even bring the X plan into the conversation.
    So, if the dealer gets $300 over invoice plus an additional spiff check from Ford, I don't know why they wouldn't want to take it unless it was some limited production vehicle where the demand is higher than the yearly production capability of the plant.
    It's not as if if they sell you a MKZ for X plan price that they can't still sell another MKZ for more money to the next guy who walks and is willing to pay full MSRP.
    They are not "losing" anything. It is an additional sale and more profits to them.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    You assume the dealer has an unlimited supply - they don't. If they sell a MKZ on X plan then they lose that sale to a customer paying $1000 or $1500 over invoice.

    Dealer participation in X/A/Z plan sales is totally voluntary. When the mustang came out in 05 dealers wouldn't take X plan on one at all. Most would still not take X plan on a GT until a few months ago.

    If the dealer says he can give it to you at invoice, he's keeping the rebate ($500 or $1000 - don't want to look it up right now). In addition he will charge a "doc" fee, usually $400 or so. It's NOT a better deal. Stick with X plan and order if you have to. Much safer.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    The MKZ is not that interesting or hot of a car. Hardly the next Mustang sales wise.
    I bet most shoppers really want something else but are shopping the MKZ for cost savings vs an ES350 or whatever other car they would really prefer.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Not sure about the ES350 but when you price it out against the MKZ you are talking 7-12k more easily. It can be that great!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    The MKZs are only staying on the lot 19 days. They're not making all that many and they are moving quickly. 19 days is unheard of and usually only happens with very limited supply niche vehicles. Right now they're on the demand side of the supply/demand curve.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    So, it's early in the model year, it is a "new" model with a temporary spike in interest that goes with that and production is just ramping up due to to model changeover.
    Few cars have huge inventories at the very beginning of a model year. On top of this, Ford said they would make a bigger effort to keep production from greatly outpacing any lagging demand.
    This is not usual at all.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    The Zephyr sold like that for a year - since day one. It's not a recent development. It's partially due to low production volumes and nice lease incentives but the Zephyr/MKZ has been in high demand/short supply since it hit the showroom. This is nothing new and not due to the new model or AWD. The only question is how long it will last.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Production is probably low, but so is demand. The low levels of production are at least keeping the rebates from getting huge up to this point. I have not heard anyone say a Zephyr or MKZ is a top choice for them. People shop the MKZ looking for bargain pricing compared to more desirable and higher rated entry-level near luxury sedans.
    I see very few 2006 Zephyrs on the road.
    I would only buy an MKZ for a bargain price and if I couldn't get it, I would move on to something else.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    akirby, on my days off from work I will have to attempt that feat. ;)

    Remind me again in the next few days.

    Thanx

    Rocky
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Hey, how did you find out how long the cars are staying on the lot?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    And what makes you think that you represent or have knowledge of all MKZ shoppers across the entire country.

    If demand was so low (relative to production) these cars would be sitting on the lots for 2 or 3 months.

    Stick to facts. Just because you wouldn't buy it doesn't mean nobody else would.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    Hey, how did you find out how long the cars are staying on the lot?

    The average Zephyr sits on a dealer's lot for just 19 days, compared with 27 days for a Lexus ES 330 and 47 days for a Cadillac CTS.

    Detroit News June 2006
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,423
    But again, it is not because this is a hot selling car.

    The abnormally short time is more due to lack of production capacity, as well as Ford wanting to limit swelling inventories. The Fusion, Milan and MKZ are all built on the same line, and there are only so many that can be built without involving a whole new factory. I'm sure that Lincoln would rather be selling 50,000 MKZ's than 25,000, but that is about all that can be supplied to dealers now.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    Nobody said it was a "hot selling car" in the sense of sales volume. But that doesn't change the fact that they're selling what they get quickly and that means no huge discounts or incentives and if it stays that way it means higher residual values.

    This is a much better story than selling 50K/yr with $5K rebates.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,423
    Well of course. That seems to go without saying. However, 50,000 a year without huge rebates would be even better--and Lincoln conceivably could accomplish that if the production capacity were there.
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