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2005 Nissan Xterra

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,918
    But where are the photos, guys? Don't you know we all LIVE for the photos?? If you don't produce photos, it's my hostly duty to banish you to I don't like SUVs, why do you? for a week. Don't make me do it.

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  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    Did anyone get a chance to sit in the new Xterra or at least closely enough to tell if the slight increase in size and other changes had an appreciable impact on passenger and cargo room?

    I liked the old Xterra and think the pictures of the new one look sharp. They definitely seem to have fixed the lack of power issue. Beyond the question of the auto 4wd, does anyone know the following -

    1. Has the driving position improved? There was something odd about the old one, particularly in terms of the legroom and positioning of my feet.

    2. Do you know if the cargo capacity has been increased? The old one was a little low for a midsized, truck based SUV. I think the high load floor might have had something to do with that, which leads to the next question.

    3. Has the load floor been lowered any at the back bumper? The current Xterra is quite high compared to its competition.

    4. Finally, the Nissan website says ground clearance has been improved. Does anyone know what the new ground clearance is?

    I'm interested to know the answers, but these are all relatively small issues, as compared to the new and more powerful engine.
  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    Two other questions:

    1. 2005 towing capacity?

    2. Is the situation with the sunroof the same?
  • oicwoicw Posts: 2
    1. I don't think Nissan has let anyone sit inside or open the hood yet. The current driving position is pretty odd, but if they make you sit higher, then there'll be head room problems.

    2. The cargo capacity in the back has improved. As well as rear leg room.

    3. I really DON'T want the floor lower. The reason the Xterra is so high compared to the Exploders is because the X wasn't designed to be a soccer mobile. To have any reasonable offroad ground clearance, you must have a high floor to make room for under vehicle components. If you want a easier loading vehicle, then look at the Quest. BTW, I find it easier to pick up heavy stuff when they're at my waist level.

    4. The OVERALL clearance has decreased. The maximum clearance might have increased a little. But overall ability to clear obstacles offroad is hurt. The breakover angle is especially poor. I think this is to prevent soccer moms from driving it like a BMW and flipping it over all the time. Guess that means a bigger lift for me when I get one.

    The only thing I really like about the new one is the engine and 6spd. For pure trail running I'd take my current 00 over it. The first two years of Xterras were some of the most solid ones built.

    Anyway, this is not something you'd buy just for space and comfort, that's what the comfy crossover utility vehicles and minivans are for. This is a truck and it's going to ride, handle and perform like one.
  • oicwoicw Posts: 2
    1. Believe it remains the same. But this time it'll actually tow the 5000 lbs instead of crawling with it. Same goes for Ford Expeditions. It claims to have a big capacity, but can't even tow 75% of the capacity without getting passed by semis.

    2. There are not more sunroofs.
  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    I understand and do not want a lower load floor at the expense of ground clearance and I do not want to see Xterra lose it's niche as one of the few, honest SUVs left on the market.

    It just seemed the previous layout was kind of inefficient and that there might be an opportunity to lower the load floor and increase cargo capacity without lowering the bottom of the vehicle and reducing ground clearance. One trade off that I would have been able to accept would have been an exterior spare on the back. In my mind that is actually a more convenient layout for when you have to change a tire, (getting on the ground to get to a spare underneath a truck while wearing nice work clothes is a pain!) but I guess everyone is moving away from that because of increased damage in rear-end collisions. In any case, it is too late to hope for that change.

    I know the approximately 2% slightly longer wheelbase would reduce breakover by a fraction of an inch, but that could be offset by slightly bigger wheels and tires. Nissan says that the approach angle has been improved, and that the underside of the vehicle has less protrusions (hence the increased ground clearance). Hopefully these are offsetting factors and the loss of off road capability is minimal, if any. The other changes all sound positive, and the good looks have been preserved.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,725
    That will hardly change the breakover angle. The angle of approach is MUCH better than the old model.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,725
    I took a few. Once I figure out how to post them (and get time to do so), I'll give it a shot.

    Bob
  • scotryanscotryan Posts: 4
    Hello All!!! For pictures go to www.nissannews.com; also look at message #13 on this message board....
  • wheelz4wheelz4 Posts: 569
    I like your suggestions, Bob. An Xterra "Jeep" would be cool and we all know that Nissan needs a CR-V competitor as well, as it's just about the only segement of the SUV market they don't have covered. Nissan Canada was listening, as the X-trail goes on sale here in about a month.
    Hope to see one in the flesh shortly.
  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    Has anyone heard an ETA for the Xterra?

    Another thing I was wondering, considering the nice V8 rumble from the Titan and Armada, and the nice growl Nissan gets from the 3.5 V6 (Neighbor has a G35 coupe and it sounds great), I hope that Nissan has designed a good exhaust system for the 4.0 version in the Xterra, Frontier and Pathfinder. If anything, one would think that it might have a little deeper rumble as compared to the 3.5.

    I know that you can always go aftermarket, but most of those systems are too loud, and frankly I have yet to hear an aftermarket exhaust on a V6 that I have liked (most sound raspy or tinny). Making a V6 sound good really takes careful tuning from the manufacturer.

    We have seen the pictures (looks great IMHO), but has anyone heard what these new Xterras sound like?
  • 2fastdre2fastdre Posts: 59
    I agree. It's harder to get a V6 sound nice, but I heard a 350Z with Nismo exhaust. Wow! It was a little on the loud side, but it sounded like it was going to eat you alive. Personally, I want my 3.5VQ Pathfinder to sound a little louder and throatier. Maybe, they will eventually come out with a Pathfinder Nismo exhaust system? If so, then the trucks and SUVs will the last in line to get racy treatments. If I am in the market for a new SUV in about 3 or 4 years, then Xterra will be very near the top of my list.

    As far as ETA goes: I would bet that you can test drive it in February/March timeframe.

    2FastDre.
  • noodlemannoodleman Posts: 1
    The new Xterra fixes just about everything that was wrong with the previous version:

    -Weak engine
    -Extra cheap interior
    -Lack of interior room
    -Wimpy front end

    There's just one thing that bothers me. What were they thinking with those side steps on the rear bumper? It maybe gives you an extra 6" of reach over standing on the bumper, and it ruins an otherwise gorgeous profile. Am I the only one bothered by this? Please tell me those side steps are just an option.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,725
    I disagree.

    There's just one thing that bothers me. What were they thinking with those side steps on the rear bumper? It maybe gives you an extra 6" of reach over standing on the bumper, and it ruins an otherwise gorgeous profile. Am I the only one bothered by this? Please tell me those side steps are just an option.

    In fact I couldn't disagree more... Those side steps are a brilliant idea, and long overdue. It has nothing to do with styling; it's all about function. Yes, they are there to aid in accessing the roof rack. If anything, I would like to see an additional step added, but lower for those with short legs. If you study Xterra ads and TV commercials, they market it as a "4WD tool," more than a vehicle. So this side step makes perfect sense IMO.

    The Xterra is a tall vehicle, and Nissan makes a big deal about how great their roof rack is. Now people can actually find a way to reach it.

    BTW, I've been a graphic designer for over 30 years. I earn my living by "design" so to speak. Even so, I will take "function" any day over "styling." To put it even more bluntly, if a feature is there to make it "function better," that is "good design," even if it looks ugly. Good design and good styling are NOT necessarily the same thing.

    Bob (who is only 5'9" and needs all the help possible with roof racks on tall vehicles)
  • 4x4buff4x4buff Posts: 12
    I agree with Noddleman, side step should be an option. They have function but they look silly and awkward.

    It will appeal to some and be an eye sore to others so it should be an option but it isn't.

    New Xterra overall looks good, I hope off-road features are better.
    I think rear differential lock should be an option, any word on that.
  • I'm thinking of getting a 2005 Xterra. I'm wondering if I should get the 4x4 option. I only plan to off-road a little and go up to the mountains during the winter season. It's mostly going to be a commuter vehicle.
  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    Its really a personal choice. But just keep in mind that 2wd (Rear wheel drive) SUVs and pickups are very very very very very easy to get stuck in on mud or any kind of steep terrain. Last fall here in Atlanta I saw some joker in a tough looking SUV with push bars, brush guards, fancy wheels, racks, etc. etc. trying to climb his wet and leaf covered driveway. The poseur had 2wd and he could not do it. I stopped to watch him and laughed so hard I almost started crying.

    To put it another way, if you get 2wd on an SUV and you do not tow on a regular basis and do not go off road, you are only buying for style and you would be much better better served not putting up with the drawbacks of a truck based vehicle and would be better off in a car or crossover. Just my $.02.
  • Thanks for the input. I live in Souther California so i don't see a lot of mud or even rain for that matter. Steepest inclines I'd probably have to drive are those that lead up from the more secluded beaches. I might just get the 4wd just so I can drive in the sand at the beaches.

    I hear the Nissan 4wd system cuts out at 19/mph? If that's so, I'm hesitant to put down an additional $2,000 for it.

    Oh well, there's always the 4 door Toyota Tacoma. Damn you Toyota and you options packaging.
  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    I think the 4wd that cuts out at 19mph refers to the locking 4wd on the Murano. However, part time 4wd systems are not made for driving at higher speeds anyway.

    Also, I wanted to make sure you are aware that the Tacoma is being redesigned next year also. If I go for a crew cab pickup next year, the new Frontier and Tacoma are on my short lists. If I go for an SUV, the Xterra is on my short list. Can't wait until these new models come out so I can drive them.
  • So the 4wd system on the Xterra is different from the Muranos? I just assumed that they used the same system across the board.

    It just happens to be that I'm looking into getting either the '05 Tacoma, Frontier, or Xterra. They're relatively priced the same, plus or minus $2k. That's one of the reasons I'm waiting till year end '05 to buy the vehicle. I want some reviews on the redesigns before plunking down some hard earned money.

    I'm kinda worried about the Tacomas that will be manufactured in Mexico though.
  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    The Xterra is built on a truck chassis with a separate frame. The current Xterra is related to the Frontier. The new (2005) Frontier, Xterra will all be on a modified Titan chassis. It is rear wheel drive, unless you engage the part time 4wd system.

    The Murano is a crossover based off a modified car (I believe Altima, but don't quote me on that) chassis. It is a unibody and not a body on frame design. In 2wd it is a front drive vehicle. The 4wd system is actually a full time AWD system. The two vehicles are very different mechanically.

    Having said that, the Murano may be a better choice for you. You give up some off road capability in exchange for better ride and handling, and it is less likely to turn over than a truck based SUV.

    I like the Murano, but we already have a crossover (a Subaru Forester XT) and for my work I need a vehicle that can occasionally get through the mud and the woods. And (back to our regularly scheduled programming) that is why I am hanging around the 2005 Xterra board.
  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    I would not worry too much about a vehicle made in Mexico. Many of the major parts will probably be sourced from the Japan and the U.S., and I do not think a major manufacturer would be in Mexico if they did not feel comfortable with the end product. Toyota (or Nissan for that matter) will not put out junk.
  • I was looking at the Murano at first, but after doing some budgeting, discovered that it's slightly more than I want to pay a month. The Xterra/Frontier/Tacoma is in the price range I'm looking for. I just wish Toyota and Nissan would put out more information about the '05 Xterra and Tacoma. This waiting for more detail thing is hella annoying.

    I guess I'll wait until I buy the car to decide if I want the 4wd.
  • Anyone have any new info on the '05 Xterra? Like gas mileage or price range?
  • I have an 04 Murano AND a 01 Xterra, and my 2cents would be to go with the Murano if you are mostly staying on-road.

    The difference in your payment will be helped by better fuel economy. Having Al-Wheel-Drive makes snowy roads a no-shift, no brainer.

    I think re-sale on Muranos might make the "Cost to Own" superior to Xterra too, although Xterras do pretty well in that regard as well.

    Anyway folks- nice to be here, and you can ask whatever you want as far as comparing Murano-Xterra benefits etc, as i have both with no agenda.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    ETA on the xterra, pathfinder, and frontier is late october/early november on the coasts, and late november/early december for everyone else.

    as far as the 4x4 option, i look at it this way:

    if you use it for stability/traction control, and use it more than 1 or 2 times a year, its worth it.

    but if you only need it for the looks or increased ride height, then dont bother. the nissan products all look and drive the same with or without 4x4.
  • Also, as much as I like 4x4/AWD in our snowy climate, I wouldn't have it in a dry area where i am not going off-road as it does affect fuel economy to the negative.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    4x4 should be HEAVILY considered, because not only does it affect fuel economy, it raises insurance rates and price as well.
  • Ya if I do end up getting an xterra next year it probably won't be a 4x4. not much adverse conditions in southern california. Besides I don't plan to do much off-roading. Probably just some light trails to camp grounds or trips up to the mountains for xmas. While is snows in the california mountains, its probably nothing compared what you guys have back east or up north. Thxs for the info.

    Now if I can just find out about the gas mileage on the '05 xterras, I'd be happy.
  • beebee13beebee13 Posts: 38
    I am looking forward to test driving the '05 X Terra, and Frontier Crew Cab! My husband and I can hardly wait for retirement and do a little traveling. How much can you tow with the X? So many choices out there, but don't want a mini-van or sedan (are "babies" are our doggies now)...we were also considering the Honda's CRV...like I said sooo many decisions! I contacted Nissan to ask about their X-Trail which seems like just what we would be interested in, and I was told NO X-Trails in the US...At ALL!! I was disappointed because I had heard it would be here in '06 since its doing so well in other countries.
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