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Honda Civic vs. Toyota Corolla

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  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Civic and Altima are in two different car categories. Civic is compact at most, Altima is mid-size. Sentra would be a car to compare Civic to. It all depends on your needs. Do you need a bigger car? Do you need a smaller car? Do you like driving a big car or a small car?
  • Hi I too was in the market to buy a car. I went for the 2005 Toyota Corolla LE.

    My brother bought a 2004 Honda Civic EX back in January of '04 the car is nice and I like it alot. Both my parents, and my brother said that I should get one too.

    Before I bought the Corolla I had a 1990 Acura Integra which I still have. "My husband is driving it now" It has a few minor outside problems, but It has 83,000 miles so there was no point in selling it I would not have gotten anything for the car. It is still driving good needs a little work. I also have emotional attachment to the car it is a family air loom. This car has been in the family since I was 13 years old I am now almost 28. I guess it was about time I got something new right.

    I have driven in my brother's car(04 civic ex) many times and I like it I like the look the ride. But when I test drove the 05 Corolla I was in love. I Love the way it looks " Very Classy looking. The car looks great in silver" It was roomier on the inside than the civic the ride was much smoother "It rides like a luxury car but it could catch up to the sporty cars I call it my baby lexus."

    The mpg is incredible "I only fill up once a week", and the price was around $2000 less than what my brother paid for his car.

    Whatever car you buy wether it is a Honda or Toyota you will be getting great car that will last for years but to make that final choice test drive and ask people who own cars like these now on how they like it.
  • zupzup Posts: 15
    My family is also planning to buy a compact car and I have been given the task of researching. I thought this discussions might help because we would rather buy brand names known for quality namely toyota and honda rather than newcomer like kia. Not that I don't appreciate all the comments found here, but the way I look at it is, there is a bunch of guys who like the civic, there is a bunch of guys who like the corolla, there is a bunch that notes the pros and cons of each, and last but not least there is a bunch that don't know. I think it might be easier to add a poll option here like most online forums to help confused buyers like me.
  • Well another thing that made me decide to get the toyota was that it was a little cheaper in insurance
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    If you relied on a poll to make your decision, you'd have "the guys who like the Civic" voting for the Civic and "the guys who like the Corolla" voting for the Corolla, and you wouldn't have the benefit of being able to read and evaluate for yourself the reasonings they give for their opinions. :)

    Certainly you are entitled to your preferences, but I'd a lot rather read about why someone thinks what he or she thinks than just the results of an either/or choice presented to people who don't have to back up their choice with some kind of reasoning.

    Just my thoughts.
  • zazazaza Posts: 7
    Unfortunately, that's the lowest quote I could get here in Ohio and I have no other choice. The Internet Manager was very straightforward and gave me a breakdown upon request. The sales tax from my county is outragously high.

    BTW, anybody from Columbus Ohio should stay away from Direct Autoplex (Toyota, Scion, Mazda). Went to test drive a Corolla over the weekend based on the 'invitation' of the Internet Manager; looking for him he's nowhere to be found. Another salesperson tried to 'earn' my business for the day. I asked twice for the price of 2005 Corolla S and the breakdown (tax, title, fees), but seemed to be ignored. The salesperson came back with monthly payment plan for 60 months way over what a Honda Internet Manager quoted me for a 2004 Civic LX out of the door.

    I sensed something very fishy about the dealership, especially because the salesperson's facial expression changed from nice and smilling to very stiff after I demanded him to tell me the price of a Corolla S with no options installed. When I said my budget is way below that, he kept asking me how much was I willing to pay. I was so uncomfortable with the whole experience so I gave him a number that I knew his Manager wouldn't be able to match (though still reasonably in the range quoted by Honda on a Civic LX). I waited for 10 minutes before the salesperson came back and said he'd be in touch with the Internet Manager (who 'invited' me for the test drive) to contact me. It's such a ridiculous experience so when I got home I emailed the Internet Manager that I'm considering a different vehicle altogether. Wish I can report this to Toyota but again will Toyota care about this?
  • macedonmacedon Posts: 27
    I know how you feel. I was not impressed with the Toyota dealers here. Honda was very straightforward and I got a great deal on a Civic LX. Actually I will be making my final decision tomorrow. I will visit Toyota first to give them one last chance to earn my business. (I do like the Corollas but the nonsense of having to take side airbags w/ABS is baloney).

    I actually e-mailed toyota at gotoyota.com (or toyota.com) and the options are separate but 'geographical considerations' have more packaging...Well I wrote them to let them know they gave me no choice but to go w/Honda...(I know I have not yet decided, but it's 95% certain).
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Why is ABS and side curtain airbags an issue? Those are two incredibly important safety features, and for 2005 the Civic continues to be unavailable w/ side curtains. Additionally, the only way to get ABS in a Civic is to buy the EX, which is often more expensive than you can find a Corolla LE w/ABS and Side Curtains... since the LE can be had without the Civic's standard alloys and moonroof, for example...

    ~alpha
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,900
    I would suspect cost and the preference to sell the higher profit models, and at higher percentages.

    I, for one am glad the choice is there. If you plan to keep your vehicle more than 10 years, the air bags have a 10 year cinderella/cinderfella stroke of midnight clause. I am sure you'd be amazed at how much it will cost if you follow the recommendation to replace it.

    In regards to ABS, while conceptually a good idea, falls far far short of its intented goals. When the ABS first came out, even the insurance company (I presume did the projective studies) came out and gave a ABS discount; citing safer, cheaper, less accidents, yada yada. Not too many years later (two as I recollect) they categorically cancelled the discount; citing words to the effect; "no statistical significance in decreasing accidents and fatalities (fulfilling the stated goal) !!??

    Also most folks who would swear by them, really don't even know that the intented purpose is to be able to STEER while so called executing "panic stop like" applications. In just about 650,000 miles, the only time that I personally have the ABS work is when I take them out to PURPOSELY function them. 1. to make sure it works 2 keep in practice.

    The reason why you want to keep in practice is that 1. abs does NOT overcome the laws of physics 2. keep one confident in how you and it will behave under emergency conditions. So what % of folks do you know do this??
  • cooljwcooljw Posts: 47
    I just bought a Corolla S over the Civic EX. I tried both a few times, and the biggest difference I noticed was the smooth ride and solid feel of the Corolla over the Civic. The difference was substantial.

    The Civic feels like a tin can versus a Corolla. 1. Shut the doors on the Civic and it sounds like you crushed a soda can. Shut the doors on the Corolla and they close with a soft, sound insulated, reassuring thud.
    2. Ride around in the Civic and hit bumps, and the car feels very light and a bit bouncy. The Corolla soaks up bumps with a much quieter, insulated cabin, and smooth ride.
    3. Add to that the fact that most Corollas can be had for less than the Civic EX, and the hands down winner is the Corolla.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,900
    I am glad you had a good experience!I shopped between a Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic. In words, the Corolla is like a mini Camry. To me, the Civic was far away the better deal.

    Also using Edmunds.com and local research indicated the Civic depreciated FAR less than the Corolla.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Reopening ...
  • I went to the LA Auto Show and sat in both the Civic and the Corolla. They both felt comfortable but the Corolla felt more comfortable. I was also surprised to see/feel the comfort of the Corolla's rear seats!! Nice car!! I will probably be getting one later on this year...might even get a 2006 S
  • hi guys i guess by now we all bebated on wich is better corrola or civic right but i think the kind of person that buys these small cars are looking for value and most of reliability of course so we now both are exellent in reliability and we now the corrola is a little cheaper but. however do you now wich one is cheaper to maintane? tune-ups these vehicles are about the same as well as oil changes but what i discovered was that the timing belt replacement on a corola is a chaine driven belt that needs no changing ever on the vehicles life and also theres no valves to adjust being there hydraulicly adjusted for you now try getting that out of a civic timing belts on a civic need replacing after 100.000kms because there made of rubber and valves need adjusting every 45.000kms because they need to be manually adjusted. so all in all my #1 pick for lower service better value would be the corrola!
  • The auto transmission on the Civic has grade-logic control. This means it holds a gear when going uphill to eliminate gear hunting. Dad's CR-V has this, and it is a nice feature and makes for a better drive.

     

    The Corolla's AT says it is "ECT" or Electronically controlled. IS this similar to the "Grade Logic Control" of the Civic, or is it something defferent?
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    hi guys i guess by now we all bebated on wich is better corrola or civic right but i think the kind of person that buys these small cars are looking for value and most of reliability of course so we now both are exellent in reliability and we now the corrola is a little cheaper but. however do you now wich one is cheaper to maintane? tune-ups these vehicles are about the same as well as oil changes but what i discovered was that the timing belt replacement on a corola is a chaine driven belt that needs no changing ever on the vehicles life and also theres no valves to adjust being there hydraulicly adjusted for you now try getting that out of a civic timing belts on a civic need replacing after 100.000kms because there made of rubber and valves need adjusting every 45.000kms because they need to be manually adjusted. so all in all my #1 pick for lower service better value would be the corrola!

     

    Civic Si has timing chain, no need to replace. It does not come with auto, so no need to wait for tranny to "descide" for you which gear is better, you select the gear with the arm and a leg that you were born with.

     

    Are you sure Corolla XRS has timing chain? That Yamaha built engine would make me question Toyota's ability to produce engines in-house. At least with Honda you are getting 100% Honda engineered and Honda built vehicle. Not an outsourced Yamaha engine stuck in a Toyota body. If I wanted a Yamaha, I would buy a Yamaha. I assume when you buy a Toyota, you want a Toyota not Yamaha.
  • Hmm.... I picked the Corolla just because I think that the Civic looks worse, doesn't feel as luxurious. The Corolla felt like a car that was more expensive than it was. The Civic felt a little like a last-generation car, and it strained more under hard acceleration. I also thought that the Corolla looks classier.. After I bought the Corolla, I shoved a Camry 4-cylinder in there, went to the 'Yota dealership, bought a supercharger (same one as in Scion tC) had it installed.... and voila! 205 hp.

     

    But I'm rambling. The Civic and Corolla are both great cars. Really. Pick whichever one you like more. Just remember that the Corolla is more comfortable and the Civic is a tad more nimble. They are also comparably priced. Side airbags aren't available on a lot of Civics, though.

     

    I wasn't mad about the XRS because of its silly body moldings. Its engine is fine. It revs like a racecar, and I loved the six speed tranny. Personally, I don't give a hoot as to who made the engine. There are engines being traded around all of the time, and just because Toyota decided to lift one from Yamaha doesn't make the XRS inferior to the Si. That's big talk, considering Honda hasn't been making anything above 6 cylinders. Oh, the capitalism! My Corolla's transmission is a 5 speed auto (lifted from Camry-once again), but I thought that the 4-speed was fine.
  • It's ok if you're a Honda fan but think about this for a minute or two...The Corolla has been out since 1968. Go to your local bookstore and open up a copy of the Guinness Book Of World records and you might be surprised to find the Corolla.

     

    You're implying Toyota doesn't build quality engines...Now this part is a joke, right???
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    It's ok if you're a Honda fan but think about this for a minute or two...The Corolla has been out since 1968. Go to your local bookstore and open up a copy of the Guinness Book Of World records and you might be surprised to find the Corolla.

      

    You're implying Toyota doesn't build quality engines...Now this part is a joke, right???


     

    I didn't say quality was an issue, I just think that if you buy a Toyota you would want all Toyota and not half Yamaha half Toyota.

     

    Honda is an engineering company. Toyota is an appliance company.

     

    Honda developed stratified engine technology in late 60's, brought it to the US market in 1972 Honda CVCC, which later became Civic.

     

    Honda developed 12 valve engine in early 80's to improve the fuel economy by further stratifing fuel charge and creating swirl in the combustion chamber.

     

    Honda developed 16 valve engine in mid 80's to extract more energy out of the same fuel charge.

     

    Honda developed VTEC in early 90's to allow for higher revving engines, and produce more HP per liter of displacement of any naturally aspirated mass marketed engine.

     

    Honda developed i-VTEC in early 21st centruy to compensate for the VTEC's lack of torque.

     

    Honda developed the world's only diesel engine that produces less emission than the cleanest gasoline engine in 2004.

     

    Just for reference, "Toyota's VVTL-i" has not been developed by Toyota, nor is made by Toyota. And Toyota implemented it in late 90's early 21st century. Toyota makes fine vehicle, but they are not as technologically advanced as Honda.

     

    Honda pioneered the "luxury spin off" with introduction of Acura line in 1986. It took Toyota a few years to catch up with its Lexus brand.

     

    Honda is willing to take risks, Toyota does not. Honda is one of the smallest automotive companies in the world, yet it holds a very big share of the market, much bigger than its size would suggest.

     

    Ever seen a Toyota generator provding electricity to disaster ravaged area? Ever seen a Toyota generator that can fit in a suit case? Toyota outboard engine? Toyota lawnmmower? Toyota snowblower? Toyota power washer?

     

    The highly regarded generators, power washers, water pumps, lawnmowers are all made by Honda or powered by Honda engines. Maybe that is why GM is buying Honda V6's and not Toyota's, or anyone elses.

     

    Regarding the Guiness book of records, VW Bettle holds the record for the most sold vehicle in the world, surpassing Ford model T. Does that mean that VW is a quality vehicle? Not in my book.
  • Ouch..... somebody got schooled!! LOL... So blueiedgod now tell me about yeur book... =)
  • Congrats on your history essay, you pass!! But seriously, who cares who came up with what first last or in between??!!! This reminds me of 2 kids fighting then going to mommy and saying " He hit me first ". Does this mean that Honda is better than Toyota or that Toyota is better than Honda? Perhaps in your eyes Honda is King, of course this is not necessarily the case in my eyes ( or in other people's eyes...just ask around). It's also interesting that you started most of your sentences with the word "Honda". Honda did this and honda did that...I believe you forgot to say Honda sent people to Saturn and Pluto!! Where are you getting all these so called 'facts' anyway??? It's very clear that you're a one sided here!! If Honda and Toyota were playing a soccer match and you were referee, Toyota would lose 10-1. Be realistic...and admit that BOTH Toyota and Honda make great/reliable cars.

     

    Honestly, I could care less if Honda and Toyota were to make televisions, snowblowers, blah blah blah. I would go and purchase these products with companies that are known for their expertise/reliability in those particular items and NOT with Honda or Toyota.

     

    You wrote, " Honda pioneered the "luxury spin off" with introduction of Acura line in 1986. It took Toyota a few years to catch up with its Lexus brand. " SO????????????????????? Does this mean the Lexus is a bad/unreliable/poorly built car???? ...Remember this just because it was built/invented first DOES NOT...I repeat...DOES NOT mean it's the best.

     

    Here's an interesting thing...you make a big deal of Toyota and Yamaha working together, what's the big deal with this? Sony and others are currently working on the amazing technology the PlayStation 3 will have, so????? And there are many more examples too... I think you should rate the Toyota engines and see where they stack up. Now if they are terrible or bad after they both worked together, then I see your point...otherwise it doesn't make sense.

     

    Oh but back to the topic, geez I almost forgot the main topic, I test drove both the 2005 Corolla and Civic and they both were smooth, comfortable, roomy and well built. My next purchase will be a 2005 or 2006 Corolla ( XRS or S ). I like it better than the Civic because it has a larger trunk, more cushiony seats, and it's more refined than the Civic. Some people say the Civic handles better than the Corolla but they are pretty equal...you can't go wrong with either one.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    You wrote, " Honda pioneered the "luxury spin off" with introduction of Acura line in 1986. It took Toyota a few years to catch up with its Lexus brand. " SO????????????????????? Does this mean the Lexus is a bad/unreliable/poorly built car???? ...Remember this just because it was built/invented first DOES NOT...I repeat...DOES NOT mean it's the best.

     

    The fact of the matter is that Honda took a risk of launching a new brand, while Toyota sat back and watched what happened. Only because Acura was a success Toyota jumped in. Toyota was second, in my book that is called not being innovative.

     

    Honda took a risk in developing Ferrari fighter, Honda/Acura NSX, and it was a very viable alternative to supercars in early 90's at sub-$100,000 price.

     

    By the way, Honda developed WORLD'S FIRST HUMANOD ROBOT that is available for leasing in Japan. I have visited Aoyama Honda when living in Japan, and Azimo is more amazing in person, than any TV can convey. Addmittedly, it took Honda 4 years to teach it English, but in 2001, it was way ahead of its time.

     

    Just as always, Honda is ahead of the pack in engineering and pioneering new technology, be it automotive, electronics or robotics. Everyone else is following in their success. Other companies, not just Toyota, are not willing to take risks in developing new technology. That is the difference between a leader and a follower.

     

    Mods will probably delete this because it is off topic, but it demonstrates the way progress is made:

     

    Don't start me on Sony. Sony is a big bully of the electronics world. The new PS3 is developed by IBM using their cell processor technology. The current issue IBM has with Sony is that Sony makes everything proprietary, which limits market share. IBM took a bald move in the 80's of allowing IBM compatible machines. Look where it took us in 20 years. Computers are everywhere, most of them are IBM clones/IBM compatible. Mac went proprietary way, there not that many Mac's out there. Same story with camcorder, Panasonic, Toshiba, and JVC developed VHS, and Sony developed Betacam. The VHS went public, while Sony on the other hand, made Betacam proprietary, where is Betacam now?

     

    Toyota makes quality appliances, while Honda pushes the edge of technology. This is a big difference in my book. Being an R&D person myself, I value innovation. Innovation is what drives progress forward. I have worked for companies that were "proud to be #2." This drove me crazy. They would dismiss my ideas, only because "there is no one else out there with product like that." Now, I work for a company that is #1 in its field, because it is not affraid to be innovative.
  • john500john500 Posts: 409
    I think this can be summed up as the following:

     

    Toyota historically has had the best quality reports (second to none) and their primary corporate objective is to focus on market share in the automobile/truck transportation sector.

     

    Honda's corporate objective is more diversified (cycles, generators, lawnmowers) and I would agree are the primary innovators in engine technology and engineering technology.

     

    In terms of which car is better Civic/Corolla, (as a sports bettor would say) pick'em.
  • It's hot in here or it's just me? There'll be no end to talk and argue about Honda and Toyota. Both are good and reliable vehicles as we all know and unarguably much better than any american car .... did I just start a new subject? It just matter or preference, needs, priority etc. People who bought either car will not be disappointed, in general, at least compare to american car. Opss I did it again!!
  • john500john500 Posts: 409
    Dude,

     

    The forum title is Civic - Corolla.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Yes, Civic vs. Corolla is exactly what our subject is. Thanks for keeping that in mind.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    I think I have made it clear where I stand. Not all people are a like, otherwise it would have been a very boring world, where every one dressed alike, acted similarly, and had the same taste in everything.

     

    Toyota knows that it is losing market share with younger generation, this is why they came up with the Scion brand. Ask a 16 year old if he/she would like a brand new Corolla or a Civic. Most would choose a Civic, some would even choose a used Civic over a new Corolla. Civic was the pony car of the 90's. Needless to say that I was a teenager in the 90's and felt similarly about the Civic. It was the car to have. Even now, approaching 30, I drive an Si, the car I could not afford as a teen. But, I think I may have outgrown it, so TSX is in line to replace the Civic.
  • I just don't see your point again...especially with all the history stuff. Look if you're a Civic lover that's cool, just don't give Honda all the credit...be realistic and not a blind fanatic. Personally I like both the Civic and the Corolla but I prefer the Corolla overall. In my opinion, the Civic feels "cheaper" on the inside and the handling everyone talks about is not that much better compared to the Corolla. Both are great cars that will last for a long time, provided you service them properly, but again don't keep walking on that one way street of yours. There are also two way streets you know!
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,027
    The only way to choose between these two fine cars is to drive them back-to-back. Base your decision on which car you enjoy driving the most and which one you can get the best deal on. Nothing else really matters. Both vehicles have bullet proof build quality and reliability and you really can't go wrong with either car.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,027
    Does it really matter that Honda is more inovative than Toyota or that the Corolla has a Yamaha engine? The fact of the matter is vehicles with the Toyota nameplate have been the most reliable vehicles on the road for the last 20 years or so, and that's not opinion, that's fact. However they do it, Toyota does it right, and that's what matters when it comes time for me to spend my hard earned money on a vehicle.
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