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Honda Civic vs. Toyota Corolla

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  • Congrats on your history essay, you pass!! But seriously, who cares who came up with what first last or in between??!!! This reminds me of 2 kids fighting then going to mommy and saying " He hit me first ". Does this mean that Honda is better than Toyota or that Toyota is better than Honda? Perhaps in your eyes Honda is King, of course this is not necessarily the case in my eyes ( or in other people's eyes...just ask around). It's also interesting that you started most of your sentences with the word "Honda". Honda did this and honda did that...I believe you forgot to say Honda sent people to Saturn and Pluto!! Where are you getting all these so called 'facts' anyway??? It's very clear that you're a one sided here!! If Honda and Toyota were playing a soccer match and you were referee, Toyota would lose 10-1. Be realistic...and admit that BOTH Toyota and Honda make great/reliable cars.

     

    Honestly, I could care less if Honda and Toyota were to make televisions, snowblowers, blah blah blah. I would go and purchase these products with companies that are known for their expertise/reliability in those particular items and NOT with Honda or Toyota.

     

    You wrote, " Honda pioneered the "luxury spin off" with introduction of Acura line in 1986. It took Toyota a few years to catch up with its Lexus brand. " SO????????????????????? Does this mean the Lexus is a bad/unreliable/poorly built car???? ...Remember this just because it was built/invented first DOES NOT...I repeat...DOES NOT mean it's the best.

     

    Here's an interesting thing...you make a big deal of Toyota and Yamaha working together, what's the big deal with this? Sony and others are currently working on the amazing technology the PlayStation 3 will have, so????? And there are many more examples too... I think you should rate the Toyota engines and see where they stack up. Now if they are terrible or bad after they both worked together, then I see your point...otherwise it doesn't make sense.

     

    Oh but back to the topic, geez I almost forgot the main topic, I test drove both the 2005 Corolla and Civic and they both were smooth, comfortable, roomy and well built. My next purchase will be a 2005 or 2006 Corolla ( XRS or S ). I like it better than the Civic because it has a larger trunk, more cushiony seats, and it's more refined than the Civic. Some people say the Civic handles better than the Corolla but they are pretty equal...you can't go wrong with either one.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    You wrote, " Honda pioneered the "luxury spin off" with introduction of Acura line in 1986. It took Toyota a few years to catch up with its Lexus brand. " SO????????????????????? Does this mean the Lexus is a bad/unreliable/poorly built car???? ...Remember this just because it was built/invented first DOES NOT...I repeat...DOES NOT mean it's the best.

     

    The fact of the matter is that Honda took a risk of launching a new brand, while Toyota sat back and watched what happened. Only because Acura was a success Toyota jumped in. Toyota was second, in my book that is called not being innovative.

     

    Honda took a risk in developing Ferrari fighter, Honda/Acura NSX, and it was a very viable alternative to supercars in early 90's at sub-$100,000 price.

     

    By the way, Honda developed WORLD'S FIRST HUMANOD ROBOT that is available for leasing in Japan. I have visited Aoyama Honda when living in Japan, and Azimo is more amazing in person, than any TV can convey. Addmittedly, it took Honda 4 years to teach it English, but in 2001, it was way ahead of its time.

     

    Just as always, Honda is ahead of the pack in engineering and pioneering new technology, be it automotive, electronics or robotics. Everyone else is following in their success. Other companies, not just Toyota, are not willing to take risks in developing new technology. That is the difference between a leader and a follower.

     

    Mods will probably delete this because it is off topic, but it demonstrates the way progress is made:

     

    Don't start me on Sony. Sony is a big bully of the electronics world. The new PS3 is developed by IBM using their cell processor technology. The current issue IBM has with Sony is that Sony makes everything proprietary, which limits market share. IBM took a bald move in the 80's of allowing IBM compatible machines. Look where it took us in 20 years. Computers are everywhere, most of them are IBM clones/IBM compatible. Mac went proprietary way, there not that many Mac's out there. Same story with camcorder, Panasonic, Toshiba, and JVC developed VHS, and Sony developed Betacam. The VHS went public, while Sony on the other hand, made Betacam proprietary, where is Betacam now?

     

    Toyota makes quality appliances, while Honda pushes the edge of technology. This is a big difference in my book. Being an R&D person myself, I value innovation. Innovation is what drives progress forward. I have worked for companies that were "proud to be #2." This drove me crazy. They would dismiss my ideas, only because "there is no one else out there with product like that." Now, I work for a company that is #1 in its field, because it is not affraid to be innovative.
  • john500john500 Posts: 409
    I think this can be summed up as the following:

     

    Toyota historically has had the best quality reports (second to none) and their primary corporate objective is to focus on market share in the automobile/truck transportation sector.

     

    Honda's corporate objective is more diversified (cycles, generators, lawnmowers) and I would agree are the primary innovators in engine technology and engineering technology.

     

    In terms of which car is better Civic/Corolla, (as a sports bettor would say) pick'em.
  • It's hot in here or it's just me? There'll be no end to talk and argue about Honda and Toyota. Both are good and reliable vehicles as we all know and unarguably much better than any american car .... did I just start a new subject? It just matter or preference, needs, priority etc. People who bought either car will not be disappointed, in general, at least compare to american car. Opss I did it again!!
  • john500john500 Posts: 409
    Dude,

     

    The forum title is Civic - Corolla.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Yes, Civic vs. Corolla is exactly what our subject is. Thanks for keeping that in mind.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    I think I have made it clear where I stand. Not all people are a like, otherwise it would have been a very boring world, where every one dressed alike, acted similarly, and had the same taste in everything.

     

    Toyota knows that it is losing market share with younger generation, this is why they came up with the Scion brand. Ask a 16 year old if he/she would like a brand new Corolla or a Civic. Most would choose a Civic, some would even choose a used Civic over a new Corolla. Civic was the pony car of the 90's. Needless to say that I was a teenager in the 90's and felt similarly about the Civic. It was the car to have. Even now, approaching 30, I drive an Si, the car I could not afford as a teen. But, I think I may have outgrown it, so TSX is in line to replace the Civic.
  • I just don't see your point again...especially with all the history stuff. Look if you're a Civic lover that's cool, just don't give Honda all the credit...be realistic and not a blind fanatic. Personally I like both the Civic and the Corolla but I prefer the Corolla overall. In my opinion, the Civic feels "cheaper" on the inside and the handling everyone talks about is not that much better compared to the Corolla. Both are great cars that will last for a long time, provided you service them properly, but again don't keep walking on that one way street of yours. There are also two way streets you know!
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    The only way to choose between these two fine cars is to drive them back-to-back. Base your decision on which car you enjoy driving the most and which one you can get the best deal on. Nothing else really matters. Both vehicles have bullet proof build quality and reliability and you really can't go wrong with either car.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    Does it really matter that Honda is more inovative than Toyota or that the Corolla has a Yamaha engine? The fact of the matter is vehicles with the Toyota nameplate have been the most reliable vehicles on the road for the last 20 years or so, and that's not opinion, that's fact. However they do it, Toyota does it right, and that's what matters when it comes time for me to spend my hard earned money on a vehicle.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    Does it really matter that Honda is more inovative than Toyota or that the Corolla has a Yamaha engine? The fact of the matter is vehicles with the Toyota nameplate have been the most reliable vehicles on the road for the last 20 years or so, and that's not opinion, that's fact. However they do it, Toyota does it right, and that's what matters when it comes time for me to spend my hard earned money on a vehicle.

    No go back and think what you just said. To me, innovations matter alot. If it were not for innovations, we'd be in the middle of a midevil marketplace, arguing if a Donkey is better than a Mule.

    I support innovation, how about you?
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    ONLY the XRS Corolla (very limited production) has the Yamaha engine. IMHO, this car is targeted towards a very small market - the street racers.
  • Both the Corolla and Civic are good cars. Both takes you from A to B economically and reliably.

    This is a generalization, but the Corolla seems more luxurious and targeted towards mature folks, while the Civic is more sporty and aimed towards youths or the young at heart (Also, Civic is the only choice between the 2 competitors if you want a coupe, a hatchback, or a hybrid that doesn't look like a hybrid.)

    Some people like the plastic woodgrain finish along with white-faced gauges that turns greenish at night, while others like the black/gray 2-tone dash with the control panel in black metallic and a spectacular blue/purple-circled instrument cluster that lights up during the day (red for coupes).

    There are, and always will be, Corolla people and Civic people. It's like the Camaro vs. Mustang rivalry that's gone on for decades.

    My point is, people see things differently and buy a car based on:
    looks (no one would buy what they think is a butt-ugly car)
    value (best car that they can afford)
    ride (some like hard, medium, or soft(floaty) rides)
    safety
    dependability

    Both cars are excellent choices.
  • mcase2mcase2 Posts: 160
    Oh Really? I have an 04 Corolla automatic that gets beyond belief piss poor mileage - It actually has gone as low as 12.5 mpg with the same driver, on the same commute, on which our old Accord got 24 mpg. Also a really bad sulfer smell would sometimes be evident. Our dealer contacted Toyota's regional manager. Toyota's response was to tell to me to get lost. No really! they told to sue them if I wanted, they were not going to do a damn thing.
    Since I bought both a brand new Sienna and Corrola from the same dealer (Watertown Toyota) on the same day you think they might try and go to bat for me. Nope! gee whiz our hands are tied blah blah blah. After a year the car now gets about 18 to 20 city out of a rating of 29 mpg. Oh what a feeling! Toyota does not give a rats [non-permissible content removed] about you or your car once they have your money. Anyone thinking of buying a Corrola over a Civic should think again.
  • john500john500 Posts: 409
    Don't get bullied. Call their bluff. Sue them, or pressure them to have your car get the listed 30 city and 38 highway for an automatic.
  • carzzzcarzzz Posts: 282
    mcase2, after 1 year of ownership, the problem still not fix? Were the mechanic able to find the "problem" on it? wow... toyota really has poor attitude!
    :joke: Sienna has better mileage than corrola...lol

    If 2006 Civic has more hp + torque, 5 speed auto(optional), larger than corolla(interior dimension), even slightly higher price, it is going to the BEST OF the best buy! The for sure advantages is standard SAB, overhead SCAB, ABS, TC, VSC are standard!
  • Wow! 12.5 mpg is worse than my 2001 Firebird! I usually average 23-25 mpg with the Firebird and 34-36 mpg on my 2003 Civic LX sedan. The lowest mpg that I got on the Civic for city driving was 32 during the new car break in period. Sorry to hear that you got a lemon.

    Personally, I like the Civic better but I am biased. I have not heard of the stink problem on Civics yet.

    According to the Corolla Problem message boards, the smell is caused by using gas with a high sulfer content. Sometimes the smell can be remedied by buying higher octane gas, or by having the dealer change the catalytic converter.

    Good luck to you.
  • First of all......I don't know where the heck you are getting your info from about Toyota losing its share with Blah blah and blah. Get realistic......Toyota is going to beat GM Motors in its sales which is the number one company in the world and are you telling me the older generations are only buying the car. The technology that honda is supposedly making is taking them where?????? If you also had your facts right ...you would also know that Toyota was the first company to actually come out with the Hybrid technology not honda. Also..as you so stated about somebody buying/using honda technology, you should also know that Ford and Nissan are using Toyota hybrid Technology and NOT honda. I am so disgusted with the Honda Brand in general. Had one....let me down. Parents had one....let them down. As for all your raves about Honda.....its overrated. I would buy a Corolla over a Civic anyday. Test drove it the other day and the corolla just kicks butt. Wasn't even impressed with the Civic but anyways now talking about teenagers and their liking to civics only. Please give me a break. Where I live, the Corolla is just all over the place especially on college campuses and if you even read the CR magazines, the reliability of Toyotas are excellent where as the hondas are just very good . However the satisfaction of the honda is excellent and the Toyota is very good. I am not sorry for being biased but the honda has given me and my family lots of transmission problems and I am sick of it. You can Never go wrong with a TOYOTA!!!!

    The fact of the matter is that Honda took a risk of launching a new brand, while Toyota sat back and watched what happened. Only because Acura was a success Toyota jumped in. Toyota was second, in my book that is called not being innovative.

    I think that is a very smart move on the part of Toyota.

    The bottom line is that even though honda did this and that first, does not mean anything. Toyotas reputation for reliability nor its quality has not been marred because of it.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    First of all......I don't know where the heck you are getting your info from about Toyota losing its share with Blah blah and blah. Get realistic......Toyota is going to beat GM Motors in its sales which is the number one company in the world and are you telling me the older generations are only buying the car. The technology that honda is supposedly making is taking them where?????? If you also had your facts right ...you would also know that Toyota was the first company to actually come out with the Hybrid technology not honda. Also..as you so stated about somebody buying/using honda technology, you should also know that Ford and Nissan are using Toyota hybrid Technology and NOT honda. I am so disgusted with the Honda Brand in general. Had one....let me down. Parents had one....let them down. As for all your raves about Honda.....its overrated. I would buy a Corolla over a Civic anyday. Test drove it the other day and the corolla just kicks butt. Wasn't even impressed with the Civic but anyways now talking about teenagers and their liking to civics only. Please give me a break. Where I live, the Corolla is just all over the place especially on college campuses and if you even read the CR magazines, the reliability of Toyotas are excellent where as the hondas are just very good . However the satisfaction of the honda is excellent and the Toyota is very good. I am not sorry for being biased but the honda has given me and my family lots of transmission problems and I am sick of it. You can Never go wrong with a TOYOTA!!!!

    Read the press relase for Scion brand creation. I never compared Toyota to GM, I simple stated the facts in the press release, that Toyota wants to bring young people to the brand. Toyota's average buyer age is in the mid 40's while Honda's average buyer is early 30's. There is 10 to 15 year gap in average age of buyers. Which means that Honda gets more new buyers, and Toyota simply retains the old clientelle, while unable to attract younger buyers. Both brands have about 60% retention rate as far as repeat buyers, but Honda has more young college graduates as new buyers, while Toyota has more retiree home residents as repeat buyers. These new buys start at the low end models and slowly progress to the higher end models as their incomes rise. If Toyota fails to attaract new, fresh out of college buyers, there will be no more repeat buyers for Toyota.

    I never stated that Honda brought hybrid to the market first. But since you brought in the hybrids. Both Honda and Toyota had hybrids in Japan at the same time, but Honda took the risk of bringing the Insight here well before Toyota brought the Prius to US shores. Once again, Honda took a risk, while Toyota sat back and watched.

    Honda hybrid is a much simpler system with alot less parts to go wrong, and it achieves almost the same results. Since it is simpler it costs less to produce. It will be easier to maintain down the road, and repairs will cost less, if ever needed one.

    The technology that honda is supposedly making is taking them where??????
    Honda has broadened its market outside of Automotive and into power equipement, emergency relief equipment, robotics, and aeronautics. Yes, Honda has built a prototype airplane. It may never go on sale, but people didn't think that humanoid robot was a possibilty either. And, what do you know, Honda is selling Azimo to the public in Japan and showcasing it around the world since 2001. A completley autonomous humanoid robot. Something that we thought was science fiction, Honda brought to reality.

    As far as Honda's transmission problems, Honda stepped up to the plate and extended warranty coverage on affected V6 auto Accords and Oddyseys to 100,000 miles. What did Toyota do for the people whose V6's siezed up on them due to sludge build up?
    You can Never go wrong with a TOYOTA!!!!
    Just like famous fictional MI7 agent said: "Never say never, again" :-)
  • chidorochidoro Posts: 125
    I am so disgusted with the Honda Brand in general. Had one....let me down. Parents had one....let them down. As for all your raves about Honda.....its overrated. I would buy a Corolla over a Civic anyday.

    Just based off of your screen name, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you have a heavy bias. I will say this, Honda is anything but overrated. Your supposed sample size can certainly weigh in on your future judgements but I think you're taking this a little too personally.

    You prefer the Corolla? Terrific. There's a lot of people who also made that decision. This thread is to weigh the pros and cons of both cars and I think the differences have been articulated quite well so far.

    But there's a reason the Civic is a top ten selling car year after year and I'll give you a hint, one of them is not because it's overrated.
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