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  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371 6/sort/1/size/medium/cat/6246/page/

    I think the interior of the new Avalon is very nice. Kinda reminds me of a more flattened 2006 M35/45 dash.
  • I'm pretty sure there are no 2005 M45s. The 2006 is due to go on sale Feb. 28, 2005.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I agree. One thing though, did you notice that Avalon's gauge cluster is literally a dead ringer for the Acura TSX?

    I remember reading on C&D's website that I35 and M45 were killed for 2005. Thats not uncommon to skip a model year. I was rather surprised that Lexus bothered to make an '05 GS. I guess because the new one isnt coming until I think the end of March, but still, thats an awfully short run for the '05 GS, and it has to be a really tough sell for dealers.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I currently drive a 2002 BMW with limited front legroom. I am 6'2". I am so tired of sitting in luxury performance cars and being disappointed with the legroom situation. Is there anyone out there who knows several recent or upcoming models in the luxury performance category that I will be able to test drive with generous (at least 44 inches or more) front legroom? The 2006 Lexus GS? The 2006 Infiniti M? I will be leasing in August, 2005.
    Thank you.
  • rwoodsrwoods Posts: 129
    I purchased an '04 Lexus GS430 with all the goodies on May 3rd for $50,000. It includes Nav,Levinson, summer tires, spoiler and XM satellite radio. The dealer knock $5,000 off the sticker and gave me 3.95% financing for 60 months. I'm very very satisfied with this car. I was between this and the LS430 which was about 12-14,000 more. My only quibble with the GS 430 is the ride is a little rough on poor roads of which Long Island has a few. But on the open road it is perfect. This is my first V8 engine and I really enjoy the smooth, powerful torque along with great passing power. The interior is very luxurious. I can really appreciate the Lexus after spending a couple of weeks with my new '05 Subaru Outback XT Ltd wagon I recently purchased. The Subie is very utilitarian for traveling with my pet but upon returning the the Lexus GS I remembered what luxury and power were all about.
  • mtjohnmtjohn Posts: 34
    I am 6'2" and own a 2001 530ia SP and I had the same issue with leg room. I always felt that I needed at least another inch or more to get comfortable. The good news (if yours is a 530) is that there is a clip in the track behind the drivers seat that you can remove with a screwdriver or needle-nose pliers (it just pops out--not sure if there was one on each side). It will give you at least another two inches of legroom. For me it made all the difference.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    I think it's more useful to quote combined legroom rather than just front leg room. Manufacturer #1 can quote 44 front/ 35 back, and manufacturer #2 can quote 42 front / 39 back. #2 has obviously has more room. In any case, these are the figures for combined legroom.

    2006 M: 81.5
    STS: 80.9
    RL: 78.7
    A6: 78.2
    5: 77.5
    E: 77.5
    2006 GS: ?

    Looks like the M or STS may be the car for you.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    The 2006 M has 44.2 inches of front legroom.

    The 2002 5 series has 41.7 inches of front legroom.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thanks a lot folks for your input on the legroom issue. I went to the auto show in Tampa recently and was disappointed with so many luxury cars. The 530i had me very cramped, jrock65. Even the LS 430 which claims 44" seemed a bit stingy. When they claim 44", does this take into account maximum seat travel backward? I can't wait to try the new M-may be a godsend-great performance and reliability!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Hey thanks anyway, mtjohn, but the car is a 330 on a lease with less than a year to go. Rather than try and tinker with the seat which I'm sure BMW Financial Services would frown on, I have vowed to do my homework next time and test drive as many vehicles as I can so this doesn't happen again. I owned a 1993 325 and just assumed the legroom would be about the same or better in a 2002 330. Well, after signing a 3 year lease, I was totally dismayed at how much less seat travel there was in the new car and also at how much less comfortable the seat was. Should have tested it. Never would have leased it. Now I can go more upscale and from what others have said in this forum, the 2006 M45 just might be the one. I will definitely test it for myself when it comes out.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    “Rather than try and tinker with the seat which I'm sure BMW Financial Services would frown on, I have vowed to do my homework next time and test drive as many vehicles as I can so this doesn't happen again.”

    The tip mtjohn mentioned takes all of 5 seconds and you can replace the clip. I think this tip actually appears on the BMW website with a photo. I believe it was div2 who gave me the link in the BMW 5-Series Owners: Problems & Solutions thread over a year ago. Look it up, it should still be there. It's actually easier than opening the hood of your car.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I posted the seat travel question on the 3-Series Problems and Solutions forum.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    I don't know if it's the same on the 330 but it doesn't hurt to look into it. Since you don't know what to look for I can see your trepidation. Either look on the BMW website or throw out the question in either the 5 or 3-series thread. I'm sure div2 or someone else will give you the answer.

    I see you edited your last post. Good, you should get the answer and hopefully you can do it. I was miserably cramped. That little tip was major.
  • disaacdisaac Posts: 15
    the M will be 44 plus -- see the specs on their website.
  • disaacdisaac Posts: 15
    oops -- that's what i get for replying before finishing the thread!! i am 6'3" and have similar issues so i can sympathize. i am also excited about the M for this reason.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well, we will find out next Spring about the legroom issue when we can finally drive the M.
  • I looked at most of the cars listed on this board - the Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, etc. I went with the RL for a number of reasons and, after two weeks with it so far, I love it! Yes, the styling can be a bit 'dull', but it really has some nice lines. The lighting is great with the new led's, the doorhandles are beautiful, the interior is top notch and so ergonomic - the great cupholders alone are worth the cost. The nav and traffic is amazing, though I've learned already (living in LA with the most comprehensive reported system) that it can be a good 10-20 minutes behind what's actual and that can be enough to let you run into a jam, but even with that, the nav is excellent at getting you there with tremendous accuracy (it recalculates so fast if/when you go off the intended route). The bluetooth is awesome ( I have a V710)! The handling is near what my 528 was (ok, I say this with a grain of salt, but for a Japanese car it comes pretty damn close!) with great steering feel, no dead center and great responsiveness. The auto shifts like butter and if you put it in manual mode the paddle shifters work flawlessly. The SH-AWD does a great job if you throw the car into a turn - It's great to watch the dash (when the wheel isn't in the way) and see the graphic of where the car is distrubuting power as it throws the extra power to the outer rear wheel to get you through. The stereo is amazing, especially if you throw in a DVD-audio and enjoy the true 5.1 surround. The active noice-cancelling tech works to really quiet the car to a vault-like silence and makes talking on the phone through the bluetooth a pleasure. I'm not crazy about the button on the handle to lock the doors, an actual button (as my recent Touareg had) worked much better, but it's still a nice feature. The remote has nice range and the lights (which turn with the steering) also work really well to light a turn. I am a bit disappointed in the mileage so far - averaging about 16 mixed with only about 24 on pure highway, not really up to the 18/26 (or so - I can't remember the exact numbers) as predicted. I wish the rear seat folded too, as this is the first japanese car I've known that doesn't, but it's worth it for the sound system, remote-folding hearests and power sunshade - and the great rear sub-woofer. I also wish we (in the US) could get the RL with the air-conditioned seats as I read can be had in Canada - I mean, I live in the hot climate, why do they get it? I wanted to get aftermarket 18" rims (why the hell would I pay the dealer $2,500 for those ugly chrome ones (the only ones they offer) when they'd then take the 17" ones with no exchange...I mean, I will get 18" and then sell my 17" and probably break even and have a hot set of rims. BUT, I can't get any rims yet since Acura apparently changed the lug and hub layout and I wait patiently for the wheel manufactures to create some options for this ride. Ok, I think that's enough...I can go on, but you get the idea...overall it's a great car, no regrets, but there are a few improvements it can make. Oh, one pet peave on the car - even if the light switch is on 'auto' (where you should never have to touch it and it should do its job), the car still beeps at you when you shut the car off and open the door. The only cure is to turn the switch to off (and I usually just return it back to 'auto' so when I re-enter the car they will come on as needed), but, since the dash lights the same way day or night, it is easy (as I have done already) to drive away with the lights out if you thought it was in auto and you are in a city area - that's quite a run-on sentence!

    Any questions?
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    October 2004 Sales:

    E: 5,011
    5: 4,229
    STS: 2,308
    RL: 1,310
    A6: 534
    GS: 651
    M45: 157

    *Note that the GS, A6, and M are not the next-generation models.


    November 2004 sales:

    E: 4,925
    5: 3,622
    STS: 2,771
    RL: 1,941
    A6: 1,931
    GS: 498
    M45: 123
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Hm, the RL seems to be doing quite well, I think Acura will be very pleased with those numbers. A6 also picked up some healthy sales. Perhaps, looking at those figures, at the expense of the BMW 5?
  • cove148cove148 Posts: 117

    Good stuff!
    Any information on the Lexus LS?
    Can you share the site that you obtain this information?
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