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  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    I thought I had heard my salesman tell me that the A8's had experienced some problems with the MMI covers breaking down with all the repetitive movement.... maybe that's why they went with the permanent position of the MMI for the A6. I agree, though, I'd like to hide the MMI at times.
  • proeproe Posts: 157
    Well, I think that is for new NSX. I do not think Honda will ever have RWD except S2000 and NSX. :cry: Again, it is like company's decision not to have a V8 in their line up ever. :(
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I wouldnt be so sure about that. I'm pretty sure they are developing a V-10 for the NSX to compete directly against the LF-A. I dont see a car with a Honda badge getting RWD any time soon, but I think there's a good chance for cars like the TL and RL. They know that the TL can never truly compete with the G35 and IS350, because its FWD and they arent. Infiniti and Lexus could easily make 400hp G45s and IS500s, where as the TL is already at the very limit of what FWD can handle. Any more power, and the torque steer will become unmanagable.
  • bdr127bdr127 Posts: 950
    Infiniti and Lexus could easily make 400hp G45s and IS500s, where as the TL is already at the very limit of what FWD can handle. Any more power, and the torque steer will become unmanagable.

    Not that Pontiac/Chevy belongs on this board, but has anyone driven the Grand Prix GXP or Impala SS with the 300+ hp 5.3L engine with FWD? I'd imagine the torque steer would be unbearable.....
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    "Means that Honda doesn't breast its cards as well as Toyota..."

    Wale...is that to mean Honda folk "Aren't holding their cards close enough to their vests?"
    Shucks we'll just have to tune them in to how we in the West play poker!! ;)
  • I have the very dark pearl green color they call Cambridge Green Pearl.

    I have seen the car with Black/Amaretto, Silver/Amaretto and my color.

    I think it would probably look OK with the Oyster Grey or whatever they call it. I have had the gray interiors and black interiors and ecru interiors and find the more colorful interiors (including Amaretto) to be my preference. Grey, or gray, looks good, don't get me wrong -- it is just somewhat sterile and black is confining.

    The red in the TT's was pretty nice as is the Camel in the A8's -- the Amaretto (why does it cost $1000?) is my current fave. It would look good with silver or black or oyster OR Atlas Grey (but that is what Audi has already chosen, or so it seems.)

    I think it would look striking, FWIW. :shades:
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The Pontiac has an interesting physics band-aid where the front tires are much wider than the rears to help deal with some of the torque steer. From what I've read, its still very present, as is excessive understeer. The Saab 93 Viggen is still the reigning torque steer champion though.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah interiors are a tricky thing. You simply can't please everyone with interior design I don't think. I too don't like light colored wook either, which MB is also guilty of. Then again I don't like wood so dark to the point of which it looks like plastic. Burl Walnut and soemthing called Zebrano looks good to me, also this new matte style wood in cars like the CLS500 and Infiniti M are just about perfect to my eye. It looks and more importantly feels like real wood.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I had posted a thought about Honda/Acura doing that before in the 2006 TL thread. I'm betting Honda will do one rwd platform for the next TL and RL and a V8. We all know Honda isn't going to do a sedan platform for just one car. The V8 will be shared with their trucks and the next NSX, unless they plan on making that NSX V10 an option on the RL. Wouldn't that rock the luxury-sports sedan establishment.

    M
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    A V10....Woooooaaaah!!!! What was Lexusguy talking about earlier...."One of the few cars where you can go fast enough to get arrested on the on-ramp!"...this one might get you arrested leaving the dealers driveway! :P
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Somewhat ironic that Honda and Toyota are introducing V-10 engines...as the era of V-10 powered F1 cars is over.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I don't see Toyota doing a V10. Since F1 is changing to V8s I think Toyota will do a V8 because they'd always said that their Lexus sports car would mimic what was going on in F1. Now Honda I'm not sure about. They still might do a V10 in order to have some type of advantage over all the usual V8 suspects from Ferrari and Ford, and to match Lambo. Anything can change though because I suspect the next NSX is like 3-4 years off?

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well V10s are going out in F1, but most U.S. buyers don't know anything about F1 and V10s are coming into fashion in the real market with the M5, Gallardo, and upcoming Audi S8. The Audi S6/RS6 will likely have a V10 also. I was surprised that Mercedes' new AMG V8 wasn't a V10, then again they'll likely turbocharge it well beyond the stock 503hp anyway. An AMG V10 has been rumored for like 10 years! I like V10s myself, more power (or at least potential) than a V8 without the added complexity/size/weight etc. of the end-all V12.

    M
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Toyota already confirmed a V-10 for the LF-A, its definitely going to happen.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Oh really I must have missed that. So the car and the engine have been given the green light for production or is it just that the concept has a V10?

    M
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The car and engine have the green light, and Toyota has been testing prototypes at the Nurburgring for awhile. Nobody knows when it will actually go on sale, though. One thing is for sure, nobody brings a one off, barely drivable concept to the Nordschleife.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    One thing is for sure, nobody brings a one off, barely drivable concept to the Nordschleife.

    Didn't Chrysler test the ME 4-12 there?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The ME four twelve was not a concept car. It was a prototype, with real production parts in it, and supposedly blasted from 0-60 in under 3 seconds, and pulled a 10.6 second 1\4 mile at 136mph. Autoweek even got a chance to drive one. Apparently the fact that it trounced the SLR McLaren did not make Stuttgart pleased, and they put a hold on the 4-12 until they could get the SLR to go faster. The big Benz couldnt go fast enough, so the previous administration killed Chrysler's plans for production. Now that Dieter is in charge, and the M-B\McLaren relationship is over, there are rumors that the ME 4-12 may live to see the light of day after all.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    I sure hope so! Not that I'll ever be able to afford one, but there are enough NFL athletes and rich bankers around here that there's a chance I could see one on the freeway. I saw a nice maroon Murcielago (sp?) a couple of weeks ago.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I'm betting Honda will do one rwd platform for the next TL and RL and a V8

    Based on the article below, Honda has decided not to pursue a V8:

    As reported by Detroit News Sept. 14, 2005:

    Honda Motor Co. has decided not to build an eight-cylinder engine because high fuel prices are pushing buyers to more efficient motors. The company will focus instead on expanding diesel and gasoline-electric engine output.

    "It's not the time to make a V-8," Honda Chief Executive Takeo Fukui said. "We need to focus on diesels and hybrids first."


    Refer to the bottom paragraph of this link:

    http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0509/14/C04-314096.htm
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