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  • bjbird2bjbird2 Posts: 647
    Not only is the Avalon faster than most of the cars in this forum, it has the dual distinction of getting better gas mileage than most of them.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I wouldnt say its faster than most of them. The GS300 and A6 3.2 yes... RL maybe.. but nobody else.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Oh good. A challenge.
    Meet me at the corner in 10 minutes.
    My 545 would love to race your wonderful Avalon in the 1/4 mile.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The Toyota Avalon is an amazing marketing package that will get the attention of many potential customers.

    I have already seen the ads ---"High HP combined with good gas mileage"0 to 60 in so and so many seconds!

    Ads emphasizing the above points will make the Avalon as hot as a seller as the new upcoming Sony PS3 systems! In fact the Avalon makes the Lexus ES330 redundant(unless having your car seviced at Lexus makes a big difference to you)!

    BUT one thing should remain clear and that is the Avalon is more of a "fast FWD Buick cruiser" than a LPS!
  • My M35 did NOT change automatically either. Neither did my cell phone by the way :confuse:
  • The Avalon and the M? Those are two very different cars, I'm rather surprised at that. Cross shopping the Avalon with the GS300 makes a lot more sense.

    :confuse: Uh, IF its ok to cross-shop the M and the GS (as per this thread topic) and its ok to cross-shop the GS and the Avalon (as per you) THEN its ok to cross-shop the M and the Avalon :shades:
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I had to manually change the time on my PC computer that uses Windows XP!

    I must have some kind of virus :mad:
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    But if you can compare a Avolon with a Infiniti M and at the same time compare a a Buick Lucerne with a Avalon then you can compare a Buick Lucerne with a Infiniti M! :D
  • The Infiniti M which BTW is the best in it its class can be ranked as the most reliable based on current data obtained and statistical analysis of the engine which is at the heart of its performance. The engine in the M for the V6 is the ubiquitous 3.5 liter Nissan FM platform which has the most Wards 10 best V6 engine awards ever and the V8 engine is also not new having been used in the Q45 and previous M. I look at it this way. If you have a fundamental bias against the M it will be obvious from the nitpicking noticed in the forum arguments. What is clear now is that no car will lead this class of vehicles forever and clearly Infiniti has decided that the driver is the most inportant determinant of how well a vehicle drives and the car revolves around the driver achieving supremacy on the road. The bar has been raised and Infiniti has clearly decided to be a leader in this field. This lead will not be challenged on forums like this but on the road. Consumers have been voting with their checkbooks and will continue to do so.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The point I was making is that the Avalon and Infiniti M are for very different people. Nobody that likes the ride of an Avalon is going to enjoy an M45 Sport, and no M driver is going to like the cushy ride and numb steering of an Avalon. The GS is still sportier than the Avalon, but its a lot closer to it than the M, which is one of the most agressive sedans in the LPS class.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    "If you have a fundamental bias against the M it will be obvious from the nitpicking noticed in the forum arguments..."

    As opposed to having a rather zealous bias for the M, I assume.

    "...the car revolves around the driver achieving supremacy on the road..."

    Supremacy? Did you really type that, or did a former Haig aide edit after you posted?

    The M is an improvement over its previous iteration (which was ugly, u-g-l-y, and it din't ha' no alibi), but the key point for the car, like the G, is merely punch for price. It's a value. A nice one at that. That doesn't afford it superlative status by any means, IMO.
  • I have a 2006 530xi and the clock DID change automatically. There's a setting in iDrive that says something like "Auto adjust for daylight savings" and if that is checked then it works fine. Maybe you have an older version of iDrive (2005 vs 2006) or you just don't have it checked.
  • docnukemdocnukem Posts: 485
    The M has an On/Off toggle for DST in one of its menus (Navigation or Settings or something). As an early post stated, it may be better to have a manual adjust rather than an auto adjust given that the DST dates are going to change. Nobody has to fiddle with any software or firmware when the dates change.

    Finding the toggle took five minutes, however (flipping it only a sec or two).
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    its easier for a nav system to be able to do DST changes than non nav cars because nav cars are communicating with the outside world, the non nav cars have this stupid clock with a chip that was designed in 1982... and sells for about 10 cents.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    the reason i compared the avalon and M was because they were sitting right next to each other in the parking lot and it struck me that their basic shapes were so uncannily similar, except the M had lots of oddly placed glaring chrome and was narrower than the avalon. you couldn't pay me to buy most toyota's or lexuses only because i like firmer sportier drive and that puts me in a minority. if i loved even slightly softer drives and was a little blind to blandness, lexuses would be king of the world.

    anyway, there have been some who came to this forum in the distant past asking about cross shopping a base M against an avalon and i know a couple of my friends did that cross shopping too. one of them eventually went with a fully loaded 545 and the other bought a M45 but had the car sent to a speciality shop that reduced the ugly chrome excess on the car and i think the car looks phenomenal with the darkened accents.

    one of the reasons i'll not consider audi or VW brands anymore is because the company is partly owned by a state goverment in duetchland.... but yet, those cars look delicious.

    i think RL designers were blinded by the success of the TSX and TL and went down the wrong slippery slope.

    gotta go, will finish later...
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Too bad the M doesn't get better the BMW 5 series, for example.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    But if you can compare a Avolon with a Infiniti M and at the same time compare a a Buick Lucerne with a Avalon then you can compare a Buick Lucerne with a Infiniti M!

    And if you can compare the Lucerne with a Chrysler 300 which compares to the Avalon... :P
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    These LPS' are so sophisticated, one would expect the clocks would be programmed to change for standard and daylight savings times.
    I was kind of disappointed that my E60 wasn't.
    Good to see you got the M35! Enjoy it!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thanks. I sure will look!
    Just have to put on my decontamination suit as I attempt to go deep down into the bowels of the dreaded but incredibly easy to use iDrive!

    5 minutes later:
    Nope! I can't set my clock for daylight savings/standard time.
    My vehicle is a 2005 E60. Good to see the 2006's have the setting.
    Knew I should have waited for the 2006 models!
    Doh!! :sick:
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    one of the reasons i'll not consider audi or VW brands anymore is because the company is partly owned by a state goverment in duetchland

    Interesting reason! I never heard that one before!

    And I am not going to dispute your reasoning because politics is beyond the domain of this forum!

    But indirectly the Lower Saxony Government share of VW ownership does have a negative impact on the company. Also the majority of the VW Board of Directors are either senior union members or government bureaucrats. Such a combination would be a disaster for any company!

    It is such a disaster that I believe it affects the product planning of Audi/VW. I am miffed that I cannot buy an Audi A3 with the features that I want:

    A manual Audi A3 2.0 sold only as a non-Quattro version! Why is it so difficult to have a Quattro version?

    A A3 3.2 Quattro sold without a manual tranny! Why is it so difficult to equip their more sporty 3.2 version with a manual tranny?

    Such limited feature-availability is unheard of in the non-Government shareholder-owned company called BMW. Although I am miffed that the there is not a 330xi version of the 3 series Touring!
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