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Luxury Performance Sedans



  • bmwdougbmwdoug Posts: 248
    Nice Suggestion HPowers. What about the M35x vs the M35? Is there a big difference between the two? Any difference in resale value/depreciation?
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    What about the M35x vs the M35? Is there a big difference between the two? Any difference in resale value/depreciation?

    Only difference is the AWD. Hard to say about resale values. Resale is all about what does the buyer want/need - I'd say if you are in the snow belt then AWD will add value, otherwise no.
  • docnukemdocnukem Posts: 485
    Here's a suggestion. I have the M35x with the premium package. While I like the drop-down DVD player for the kids in the back, and they like the heated/reclining seats, I find that the components of the tech package are nice but not essential. If you have to have the top-of-the-line audio, you may require it. But for driving fun, you could get an M45 with the journey (which I would recommend) for the same cash.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I suggest springing for the M. There's no reason to buy a brand new TL, the '04s are exactly the same, and are quite a bit cheaper. Also, I may have asked this already, but have you considered the G35x?
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    don't buy into the argument that greater complexity must inevitably translate into more frequent & costly repairs.

    I agree with one half of your statement. Repairs may not be more frequent than in the past but more costly repairs per car problem will in all likelihood be a certainty.

    Everything that I've read indicates that the average car, whatever that is, is vastly more reliable today than it was when automotive reliability was at its low point in the late 70s & early 80s.

    My family owns a 83 MB300D and intend to keep it for a million miles. Reliability on that car is outstanding! Although our MB was not a an average car in the early 80s.

    We expect that from most new cars, even though today's top of the line Accord or Camry is packed with electronics that would have been unimaginable in 1980.

    That is exactly what I said. A Accord and Camry will be the best cars to own in the long term for minimal maintenance. The high tech of a Accord or Camry in most cases is more mainstream and less complex when compared to luxury models.

    That said, I'm reluctant to buy a German car with, say, nav because I don't think that the Germans are as good as the Japanese at marrying high-end electronics with high-performance mechanical components.

    That may very well be the case for many German cars. But there are a few German cars where reliability is a non-issue (i.e. BMW3 and BMW5 series).

    But I wouldn't hesitate to buy a loaded Lexus GS & keep it for 10 years.

    Will a loaded GS not be costly to maintain in the future? I am willing to wager that if I owned a very reliable GS in the next 10 years(my definition of long term) then it most likely will cost BIG $$$$ for the few times a new gadget will have to be replaced. In fact it may cost so much that it may not be worthwhile in keeping a Lexus GS for a long time.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Before and during the 1970s corrosion was the death knell for most cars in dump sites.

    In future years expensive gadgets will be the death knell for most cars in dump sites.

    This is my New Year's Prediction based on techniques used by Nostradamus himself. :shades:
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    That is exactly what I said. A Accord and Camry will be the best cars to own in the long term for minimal maintenance

    My statement above is incorrect.

    I would like to make the following correction:

    Base-level Accords and Camrys with minimal technology options will be the best cars to own for long term low cost maintenance.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,569
    Okay, which do you think I should go for, and why? All opinions welcome. Thank you.

    Well, I own both ('04 TL with Nav.and '06 M35 Sport) and all I can say is that you get what you pay for.
  • bmwdougbmwdoug Posts: 248
    Carnaught and/or Other Posters, I too am becoming impressed with the M35. I have some questions for you. I test drove the M35 without sport and was pretty impressed.

    What is your opinion on the M35 Sport vs the M35 without Sport?

    Is there a Huge Difference with the Sport Package?

    Also, is there is a difference in looks between the the M35 and M35 Sport?

    What about the M35x? What is your opinion on that model?

    Also the BMW 530i is known as the Benchmark in this category. Have you compared your M35 against the BMW 530? How did the M35 Stack up against the BMW 530i?
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,569
    In answer to your post, yes, I did compare the 530 BMW to the M. For the money the M gave me more and it was an '06 model in March when the BMW's were '05' models. That said, I still like the 530 very much.

    I prefer the look of the M Sport which is different than the regular M with its 19" wheels that mimic MB AMG wheels. The suspension is harder riding than the regular but not objectionable and I like the brushed aluminum interior. The Sport has adaptable headlights and the car has rear active steer. Since I was offered the sport for the same price as the regular M it was a no-brainer for me.

    Personally I do not find engine or road noise to be intrusive or disturbing in the least. I like the engine growl. The dash controls in the M are very ergonomic and whether one likes the look of them as well as the outside of the car is subjective and can't be argued either way. The controls are redundant and very intuitive and easy to use especially compared to the iDrive controls I have in my 3-series BMW. The often criticized "ATM" configuration of the center buttons are actually great in real world use. Think about it, this is a more confortable position than having your fingers at right ankles to buttons. (BTW the iDrive is frequently dissed as being overly complex and hard to learn, and I find that criticism is over exagerated and unwarranted too.)

    I've had no problems with over 8000 mi. now on the car and have no regrets. It's one of my favorite cars I've owned and I've had many.
  • . . .for the free car wash for the '05 X3. Free Starbucks and fresh choc chip cookies in the showroom are always a draw. On the floor, a 2006 525xi "sport, premium w/6spd manual."

    Our salesrep, knowing we are not at this moment in the market offers the cookies, etc and pleasant conversation. So I said, which car will perform better -- a 530xi with steptronic or a 525xi with the 6spd manual (and which one would be the "one to get with YOUR money?")

    "Well the 530xi with all the options most people like is really getting expensive and the 525xi manual vs the 530xi auto will offer virtually identical performance but the 525xi will feel sportier and quicker." "I would go for a well equipped 525xi 6spd over an otherwise identical 530xi auto -- and buy a big widescreen TV with the difference."

    Then he added that he is at about 40% 5's with AWD since July and the problem is supply NOT demand for them. Oddly, the 3's are about 10%.

    FWIW this is at Ohio's largest volume dealer.

    Then I asked him what HE PERSONALLY was spending his money on -- he said a 2006 X3 with all the options.

    I don't know if this means anything, probably doesn't.

    The most interesting thing to me, however, was that 40% of the 5 series sold at the dealership are X versions.

    Now, remember we are in SW Ohio and we have been know to have a snowflake or two, but rarely more than that. In fact here we are on NYD and it is 56 degrees with 63 predicted for the holiday, Monday.

    I must say, I never say anything -- but I want to -- about having 28 Audis, obviously almost all of them quattros.

    Imagine how I cringed to hear this guy say, "overall the performance gains are what sells these AWD cars."

    Once again, Audi has squandered its key differentiator -- what a revoltin' development.

    Can I drive a 525xi stick? "We only had one and the only reason we had that one was because someone ordered it and changed their mind -- the only one we have is this sold one here on the showroom floor."

    I guess the message is there somewhere, I also guess it seems a contradiction of terms.

    Happy New Year anyway. :confuse:
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    IMO a BMW without a stick is Big Money Wasted.
  • "IMO a BMW without a stick is Big Money Wasted."

    If you drove in congested So. Calif. traffic all the time, you would think differently!

  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    IMO a BMW without a stick is Big Money Wasted.

    Dewey, ya know, you’ve been a key player in my lineup, but that comment is on the verge of getting you traded. ;-) Hey, what if I said buying a sport sedan as opposed to a sports car is big money wasted? Actually it’s true... all sport-sedan enthusiasts are frustrated sports car enthusiasts making compromises. But we all have to make compromises now don’t we?

    Happy New Year to all!

    JJ, that card was great. I checked out her website. IMO that lady is as talented as Charlie Schulz and Norman Rockwell.
  • drtraveldrtravel Posts: 395
    IMO a BMW without a stick is Big Money Wasted

    Wonder what this says about the typical BMW buyer's mental capability - considering that a large majority of all BMW 5-series sold (actually rented) are automatics.
  • bmwdougbmwdoug Posts: 248
    Okay, what is the meaning of this statement "that a BMW without a stick is BIG MONEY WASTED?"

    Is it because true enthusiasts would only drive a Stick? Or, is that BMW's are over priced, but it is okay as long as you get get the manual version, because it gives the "true enthusiast" the true driving feeling only a manual can give?
  • bmwdougbmwdoug Posts: 248
    Okay, what do you think about the Infiniti M35X? I have not had the pleasure to drive this car, but it is AWD, and offers a lot of power for less money than even the BMW 525X. I used to bash the Infiniti as an overpriced Nissan, right up until my second test drive. I guess I was suffering from 'BADGE" Worship of BMW's. :) Yes, I do love BMW's. But, I am starting to face reality. The competition is on their heels and has surpassed my beloved BMW 5 Series in many areas.

    Now, back to the M35X. I was REALLY impressed by the M35. WOW! But, I have not driven the M35X. What is your opinion of this car?
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Remember the initials IMO. And yes if I was not a family man I would definitely have a two seater sports car in my garage. And I disagree 100% with your Charles Schulz comparison. Maybe Rockwell or even Leondardo da Vinci but no way does this lady compete with Charles Schultz.

    Turnbown, I do understand your reasoning but even congested daily driving in downtown Toronto would not persuade me otherwise.

    Drtravel this has nothing to do with mental capability but everything to do with my own preferences.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    There's really not a major difference between the rear and AWD version of the car. Nissan's ATTESA AWD system puts all of the power to the rear wheels under normal conditions, so the cars have a very similar feel.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    "Remember the initials IMO. And yes if I was not a family man I would definitely have a two seater sports car in my garage. And I disagree 100% with your Charles Schulz comparison. Maybe Rockwell or even Leondardo da Vinci but no way does this lady compete with Charles Schultz."

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