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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    My daily driver is an '01 LS430, and I have an '07 XK8 for weekends. Sooner or later I'm going to have to replace the LS, and I'm not sure what the replacement will be yet.

    I've driven the M several times, and I really like the car. It has Japanese electronics and reliability, with German performance. The only real issue is the lack of a 6th gear, which makes it a bit too noisy on the highway. If the M was available with the ZF 6-speed, I'd probably have one already. I'm going to drive the '08 and see if it has improved at all in that regard.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Couldn't find a specific thread on this topic so decided to post this question here and on another forum. Understanding that this is a very subjective question, what are the opinions on which cars have the best seats? Looking mostly for comments about long distance trip comfort. I have owned BMWs for 15 years and found my old 5 series to be quite good, except a little hard. I have a new 328, with even harder seats, but the cushion does not really extend out far enough to support my thighs over long periods. I could not wait to buy a 535 (would have gotten the special "comfort seats"), but have heard others wax on about Volvos, Lexus, MB and the Caddy DTS! Lots of differences in those cars. What do others think?
  • lovemyclklovemyclk Posts: 351
    I'm a big guy and find the new 535i comfort seats with the SP pkg to be terrific - among the best for overall support and comfort. My '03 530SP is very comfortable for 500-mile drives, but also provides great support for spirited drives on the weekends. Seats on mine are firm, but would definitely appreciate the comfort sport seats in my next 5er. The sport seats provide extendible thigh support - a must for us long-legged types ;)
  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 968
    Be careful testing seats in the showroom. We liked the comfort seats in the showroom, so we ordered it on our 2003 535i. That car had an "automatic" seat belt height adjustment which did raise and lower the belt on the door post, but it was uncomfortable for both my wife and I. We would have done better with the standard seats. My solution was to disconnect the automatic adjuster and live with it in one postion which was tolerable for my 5' wife.

    When we replaced that car last year, we found that some BMW "design genius" decided that the car no longer needed any seat belt height adjustment at all...and the seat belt height was fixed on the door pillar. We sat in the various 5's and were uncomfortable with any of the seat options. As a result, we didn't even consider buying another BMW....we are enjoying our Infiniti.

    Don't assume that more adjustments will be comfortable....have every driver try the seat with the seatbelt.
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    I find the bmw 535 extra comfort seat to be as comfortable as my a8 Audi seat.....I think alot of discomfort on five hundred mile trips has to do with age ..Even when you get the seat just right, after several hours you just begin to get un-comfortable...Tony
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  • twindy1twindy1 Posts: 9
    I have owned Lexus and Volvo. By far, the olvo has he most comfortable seats and are ergonomically designed. Many of my friends have commented about the comfort of the Volvo seats. I have owned two S80s. I have driven over 600 miles in one day with no other driver to give me a break. When I got to my desitination, my back didn't hurt, my legs didn't hurt, nothing hurt and I felt great. Now I am 50 plus so..........I swear by Volvo for their seats.
  • lovemyclk, why did you get the spt on the 530? Was the standard suspension not responsive enough? Do you always get spt suspensions? I am trying to decide whether to get it on my next 5. You cant really tell in short test drives whether you like something like that. I like responsiveness but dont like to feel and hear every pebble in the road.
  • I'm in the market for a new luxury sedan.
    Currently driving a 2005 Acura RL. Would prefer a sporty coupe, but my lifestyle does not allow for that yet:)

    Today I spoke with our local Jaguar dealer about the XF. They expect the first ones at their showroom in March or April of 2008. Since we live in the snowy part of this country I prefer a car with AWD. The salesman told me that the XF would not be available with AWD. He said there is just not enough demand for AWD except in certain regions of the country.

    I find this "demand" remark to be someewhat strange since the BMW 5 series, Audis, Infiniti Ms, Cadillac CTS, Acura RL, Mercedes,Lexus all have models with AWD.

    Guess if I want an XF will have to buy snow tires!
  • lovemyclklovemyclk Posts: 351
    Having driven both in Germany and the U.S., I simply had to get the SP for the more responsive handling, braking and "comfort". The articulating sport seats in my 2003 provide increased support for my long legs. I also prefer the feel of the "M" steering wheel while driving. Finally, my 2-piece BBS-style wheels are gorgeous on my Titanium Silver car.

    Comfort is subjective, but to me the absolutely planted feel of my car on the road at all speeds defines the word. I also prefer the seat design over the standard seat due to the more pronounced bolsters.

    The new 535i SP has the Comfort Seats as standard in the SP pkg and they are amazing. They even have an adjustable setting on the headrest for the neck. Seat cushioning a bit softer, but still designed with the extendible thigh support and bolsters.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Since we live in the snowy part of this country I prefer a car with AWD. The salesman told me that the XF would not be available with AWD. He said there is just not enough demand for AWD except in certain regions of the country.

    Not enough demand... or Jag can't do one and that's the salesman's excuse. The XF is based on a heavily revised DEW98 platform. No DEW98 car has ever offered AWD. The platform may simply not be capable of it. Or, perhaps Jag simply can't afford to do it. Every other car in the mid-lux segment - 5, E, A6, M, GS, RL, S80, and STS all offer AWD in at least one trim level, so clearly there's demand for AWD.
  • Wow!

    Acura, Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Infiniti, Lexus, Lincoln, Mercedes, Porsche, Volkswagen, Volvo -- and even Jaguar (honorable mention) offer AWD models. These mfgr's are, generally, adding more AWD models to their lineups. Of course this list doesn't include (but it could) Ford, Mercury, Subaru and, and, and -- and a whole host of other cars from all around the planet.

    The proliferation of AWD advances, it is hardly retreating. Why the salesperson would remark about the lack of demand is probably because he can't offer it in the car he might stand a chance of selling you. Perhaps to persuade you to change your mind, the salesperson planted the suggestion that (implied?) ". . .AWD had its chance and demand was insufficient to justify it."

    If you follow the trickle down, the LPS car brands get AWD, then the ELPS will get it, and pretty soon virtually all cars (or so the trend would seem to suggest) will at least offer "available" AWD.

    It [AWD] sells cars, no matter what their "breeding."

    Your salesperson probably believes what he/she said -- I would simply say, "he is misinformed." :confuse:
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,576
    And apparently the prices in the USA are expected to be ( ahem ) "well above the S-Type" . . .

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=122403
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    ...

    If you follow the trickle down, the LPS car brands get AWD, then the ELPS will get it...


    Actually, I believe AWD actually trickled up to LPS, ELLPS, etc. Subaru has had AWD for forever. In the '80s and very early '90s, you could get AWD in a Camry and Corolla. Audi was the first luxury brand to adopt it in the late '70s or early '80s, but no other luxury brand offered it (that I can recall.) In the early days of AWD, it was still considered a truckish type feature, and people were reluctant to accept it because of fears of expensive transfer case failure. People didn't understand or recognize the difference between 4WD and AWD (some people still don't.)
  • Point taken, but an example could be, fur instance, the STS gets AWD, THEN the CTS. The Acura gets AWD, then -- perhaps -- the Accord will get it.

    Yep, Subaru has had it a long time.

    We had a 1988 BMW 325ix which was a joy.

    There is evidence that the proliferation of four driven wheels is a consequence of SUV's -- ? -- or is it that SUV's were an alternative to station wagons and since they were truck based. . .well you can come to your own conclusion.

    Porsche added AWD for what reason? Certainly not cargo carry capacity.

    "All" cars will offer all wheels driven -- at least that the prediction of Dr. Piech (decades ago.) It just keeps proliferating.

    Living here in SW Ohio, "everyone" wants AWD since in this part of the planet no one seems to have a clue how to drive on slick surfaces with only two driven wheels.

    Anyway, LPS or no, AWD keeps getting added because it is a mature technology and it is virtually impossible to tell that the car is AWD just by looking.

    Didn't used to be that way (as if you didn't know.) :surprise:
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Porsche added AWD for what reason? Certainly not cargo carry capacity.

    With most of the weight in the rear and RWD, older Porsches had tendency to spin backwards. The AWD is there simply for stability, not cargo capacity or winter traction. However, just as the highest performance airplanes are inherently unbalanced, the highest performance Porsches are RWD. They need that tail-out instability.
  • I am in the market for a certified used luxury car (Audi A4 or BMW 5 series) after reading the reviews on the Audi; I am now leaning towards the BMW. My husband preferred the 2008 Cadillac CTS. Any advice or suggestions? Please help.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    If you lean toward the CTS, be advised, while the rear seating area looks large and spacious, the rear seat cushion is way too close to the floor (i.e. a very shallow foot well), and is very uncomfortable to ride in. I'm only 5'8" and yet with my feet pushed as far forward as I could, my knees were positioned at least 8" above my hips, which as I'm sure you can imagine is a very uncomfortable position to ride in for very long. So, unless you're still in the car-seat/young children stages, the CTS's rear seat is a very poor imitation when compared to an A6 or a 5-Series.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • I am on my second LS-430, the current one is a 2004. I like gadgets that work, I can find no one out there that does things better than Lexus. Touch screen NAV, bluetooth, heated front AND rear seats (my daughter insists) keyless entry to every part of the car, keyless start, parking assist, and things placed in what I consider convenient places (sun glass holders, cup holders, cell/change drawers). Also I am 6'3" tall and like a little room.

    My Lease is about to expire and I am searching for a new car, I also have a smaller family now with one off to college and our other vehicle is a SUV type, plus I never sit in the back... I was trying to find a more reasonable priced mid size luxury sedan that has some zip (I will not buy a es-350) that has all of the gadgets I am used to. I have just started reading and looking (lots of time saved by reading, thanks) I have looked at the 535's gs-350's and find both fairly close to something I feel I can get by with without feeling like I went backwards. I will take the quicker more sporty approach and feel like that was the real reason for not just going out and buying the ls-460, when really it is just too expensive, much more than I paid for my 430. are there any other vehicles I should consider, Audi, Infinity, MB? I have read forums on about all of these I they all seem to be realy bad in an area or two, I truly am spoiled by Lexus, there stuff works and used to be worth the price...

    hope my rambling make sense to someone - go ahead and fire away.

    so far I have found the GS-350 might be to small, The 535i while not touch screen nav I can live with that since you can enter info while driving - the 535 seems to be the best I am not to sure about the lame placement of the cup holders though...

    If anyone can save me a little time by suggesting I look at something I would appreciate it. I may just be wasting my time and have to go get the LS-460, or at least that class of car.

    thanks!!
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    am in the market for a certified used luxury car (Audi A4 or BMW 5 series) after reading the reviews on the Audi; I am now leaning towards the BMW. My husband preferred the 2008 Cadillac CTS. Any advice or suggestions? Please help.

    The A4 is a very small car, much smaller than both the 5 series and the CTS. If adults are going to be sitting in the back, I would suggest looking at an A6, rather than an A4. The '05s should be coming off two year leases now, and there might be some good CPO deals. I prefer the G35 to the CTS.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    so far I have found the GS-350 might be to small, The 535i while not touch screen nav I can live with that since you can enter info while driving - the 535 seems to be the best I am not to sure about the lame placement of the cup holders though...

    If anyone can save me a little time by suggesting I look at something I would appreciate it. I may just be wasting my time and have to go get the LS-460, or at least that class of car.


    Most of the current mid-lux cars offer the same high tech features as the full-size cars, in a sleeker, faster, sportier and more affordable package. My favorite car in the segment is the Infiniti M. It has 90% of the performance of the BMW 5, and is much roomier than the GS, while also being more reliable. Considering reliability is really the only thing the GS has going for it (it isn't particularly comfortable, or fun to drive, or nice to look at), its pretty surprising that Lexus botched the quality control so badly.

    The Infiniti's NAV, HVAC and other controls are just as easy to deal with as the Lexus system, no iDrive. The '08s also have a built-in hard drive for music storage like the LS460. Infiniti also offers the V8 with AWD, something you can't get from either BMW or Lexus.

    My second choice would be the A6 4.2 S-line. MMI is much more intuitive than iDrive, and the interior is a lot less drab than the 5's. There are no weirdo Bangle angles either.
  • I am in the same exact boat as you. I liked my LS430 but to be honest,I grew a bit bored of it. The LS460 drives very similar to me (I swear if I were blindfolded, I would not be able to tell the difference) and the lease is 3-400 dollars more per month. I just don't see it, although I do like the new styling. The Infiniti M that was reccomended, just does not feel like it's even near the same league as far as top line luxury. The doors felt light and cheap and I didn't care for the seats. It feels like a big step down from the LS. The BMW 5 series is my leading choice at the moment. It's much sportier but also has a high end feel and all of the tech stuff. You can also try an MB 350 E which handles a bit softer. I am not an Audi fan so I crossed that off my list.
    One sleeper you may want to check out (I am) is the Jag XJ8. It gives a similar ride to the LS but can be a bit more sporty if you push it. It's very quiet and luxurious and I think there are some very good deals which should make it quite a bit less expensive than the LS460.
    If all else fails and you are a Lexus devotee, then give the GS a shot. That would probably be the closest to the LS (although the ES that you don't like or the Toyota Avalon are probably 85% of an LS for 50% of the money). Lexus says that their new ES is actually a better car than the original LS 400.
    Hope this helps.
  • both Lexusguy your answer help me a lot, I will take a look at both the Jag and the Infiniti. But I have this feeling I will end up keeping the ls-430 or getting a BMW, as you have said the LS-430 after having 2 of them is getting boring to drive although the interior amenities are perfect
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,610
    The 535 strikes a great balance between sport and luxury and is more fun to drive with the added bonus of much better gas mileage than the Infiniti M twins. I know, I've owned the latter.

    If leasing is a strong consideration, the BMW makes the most sense. Its paid maintenance and BMW Assist are frosting on the cake.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I will take a look at both the Jag and the Infiniti.

    Lightly used Jaguar XJs can be fantastic buys. The XJR is much faster and quite a bit sportier than the LS, while still being very comfortable, and you can get one for $40K. Its NAV system is touch screen based, and coming from a Lexus you should have no problems with it. If you want more space than the standard wheelbase XJR, the Vanden Plas or even the top-of-the-line Super V8 Portfolio are still very affordable, and driving a car that was originally $100K is a great feeling :)

    The Jaguar XJ is by far the best bargain in the full-size class.
  • Mojo1078, continue leaning toward the BMW 5-series. The new 535i surpasses the performance and handling of the Cadillac. Remember, the cadillac is a front-wheel drive vehicle, poor turning radius and steering torque. Power with excellent fuel economy are on the side of the BMW. Resale on the BMW is far superior to the Cadillac. Take my advice, you can't lose with the Bimmer
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    FWIW, the '03-'07 CTS is RWD and the '08 has AWD available as an option.

    -Brian
  • >>"Resale on the BMW is far superior to the Cadillac. Take my advice, you can't lose with >>the Bimmer"

    ...unless you are unlucky enough to get T-boned in it.

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=122205
  • I cannot argue your point (and I was not suggesting, literally, that AWD was added to increase carrying capacity.) My point, perhaps inaccurate, was that [I was told by Walter Rohrl (I do not know the facts, i.e., only what he told me)] the highest performance Porsches in terms of "winning" were the AWD versions.

    What do you mean by performance, or can you point me to info that would contradict what Rohrl remarked?
  • Where do you get your information from? Cadillac has had rear wheel drive in the CTS since 2003.
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