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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 6,022
    I would urge you to listen to the guys who just posted but, unfortunately, I can't think of an alternative vehicle for your daughter. A nice M3 would have to be better though.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    your ignorance really shows...for a sharp, powerful, race car, why didn't anyone mention the AMC Gremlin and Pacer???...obviously, you do not know much about performance/luxury cars...

    Then again, maybe you do...:):):):):)... ;) :blush: :P
  • asteinbergasteinberg Posts: 138
    Edmunds forums have been very helpful. Especially CarMan -- between him and the outstanding Internet depart at Pacific BMW in Glendale two years ago, I had a terrific, quick, rewarding on-target, deadline leasing experience. It was also fun learing more about leasing and realizing some errors I had made in past leases.
    I'm actually considering 535i, because it resolved some key 530i problems (somewhat better NAV w/integrated live traffic; memory buttons for radio and AM-FM-satellite band-switching; voice recognition that actually works). Mileage worse than Lexus GS350 with more value, but lease terms not so great, and BMW has free maintenance (w/brakes!). Still prefer NAV and other user friendly items on Lexus, Infiniti and other alternatives I'm exploring.
    As long as I can avoid my local dealer here in Calabasas, So Calif, I may give BMW another chance!
    Questions -- I'm also asking in other discussion groups--
    (1) Given the slowness of the auto market, how close to invoice does 530i go?
    (2) Does BMW offer financing deals, or just leasing deals?
    (3) Other than premium, sports, comfort access, navigation, sirius satellite radio, does anyone reading this recommend any options ...especially if they are perosonally familiar with them? If I go beyond the above, I must special order:
    (4) Are head-up display and night vision use mere toys or useful? (Seems odd that night vision visible only in NAV system.)
    (5) Is rear door side impact airbag safe, or a threat to kids?
    (6) power rear &manual side sunshades worth the money to keep the kids happy?
    (7) any other options truly worthwhile and worth the money?
    (8) Last time, I did 24 mo, cheaper per mo than 36. Now, 36 slightly higher. I still think 24 mo, to save buying 4 costly fun-flat tires.
    (8a) FINALLY -- does anyone know what the Money Factor will be for 535i for APRIL for 12000, 24mo, 36 mo, and, possibly for 15000. If I go BMW, I could buy/lease Mon/3-31 or wait until Tues/4-1, if MF different.
    (8b) IF I special order, due to other items, I'd use March MF or June MF, whichever is lower. My guess is June MF would be lower. Thoughts?
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,600
    Geez, you should consider posting the same message on only one or two boards instead of multiple ones.
  • kgarykgary Posts: 180
    Do you studder? Every forum I go to this morning I see the same message ;) All joking aside, I think you should move this post to the 5 series leasing forum, though it is probably there already. ;) Good luck.
  • jpstax1jpstax1 Posts: 197
    hey lexusguy-

    What do you think of the 2005 Jaguar XJ Series Super V8 sedan? I found this one at the same dealership as the '04 E55 AMG:

    http://www.thechicagotoystore.com/detail-2005-jaguar-xj_series-super_v8-2408508.- - html

    Be sure to scroll down the page to see its CarFax report and more photos. I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on it.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    What do you think of the 2005 Jaguar XJ Series Super V8 sedan? I found this one at the same dealership as the '04 E55 AMG:

    That's a great car. The Super V8 is the top of the range XJ, and that car would've cost $90K when new in '05. Unlike the COMAND setup in the E55, the Jag's NAV system is a simple touch screen that works very well. You also get power reclining rear seats and a host of other luxury features that aren't in the E class. The handling won't be quite as good as the E55's but it will be more comfortable, and just as quick. It should also be very reliable, though you may want to get the extended warranty just in case.
  • palaltpalalt Posts: 25
    Reading these negative comments about Mercedes quality, I can't help but wonder if their purchase of Chrysler backfired. I think people believed Benz would improve Chrysler's quality (known to be among the worst) but maybe the opposite happened, with Chrysler's processes corrupting Benz.

    With the high cost of repairs on late model, high line cars, especially German made, I wouldn't think of owning one Off Warranty.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    The sad thing is, even Chrysler quality suffered (as did the content levels of their cars) during the Benz years, maybe even to a greater degree than the hit that momma Mercedes took.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,563
    The FX series has been upgraded for 2009, with both a larger & more powerful V8 and a 7 speed automatic trans.

    The estimated 2009 EPA numbers published by Infiniti show a +3 MPG highway improvement for the V8, compared to 2008.

    So – my ‘question de jour’:
    Will Infiniti also upgrade the M45 to an M50?
    With both the larger V8 ( 390 HP = yum )
    ** AND ** the 7 speed automatic trans.???

    My largest single issue ( and the primary reason that I did not buy one ) with the M45 was \ is the 5 speed automatic’s gearing. Resulting in generally good acceleration, but ( very ) high RPM at highway cruising speeds – and commensurately low MPG, from all reports.

    More HP & TQ would certainly be welcome ( by me ) but the opportunity to allow that very good acceleration combined with significantly improved highway fuel economy would REALLY interest me. The 7 speed’s ratios look like they will allow both.

    I see no compelling reason for Infiniti NOT to do this.

    Other opinions?

    - Ray
    Ready to move from Sports \ GT car to Sport Sedan . . .
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    Agreed. My hunch (& I'm just speculating here) is that the 7-speed will become more widely available as Nissan ramps up production.
  • srynsryn Posts: 27
    From what I've read, Cadillac's latest navigation system & screen display seem to be among, if not THE, industry's best. High marks have also been given to the nav systems offered by Infiniti and Acura. Any opinions on how Audi's navigation system compares with these as to comprehensiveness of coverage, ease of use, screen size, graphics, accuracy, etc?

    Thanks.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    My largest single issue ( and the primary reason that I did not buy one ) with the M45 was \ is the 5 speed automatic’s gearing. Resulting in generally good acceleration, but ( very ) high RPM at highway cruising speeds – and commensurately low MPG, from all reports.

    Same here. I'd really like to see an M50, and I have to assume that with the new engine will come the new 7-speed autobox. I'm just not sure when its going to show up.
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    I would be totally satisfied with an M35 with a 7 speed.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I would be totally satisfied with an M35 with a 7 speed.

    I'm willing to bet that when Infiniti does decide to update the M, the M35 will be updated to the M37. The M is currently using the 275hp "2005" version of the VQ35. Updating it with the 330hp VQ37HR would allow them to hit back at the 535i and the GS350.
  • bw45sportbw45sport Posts: 151
    The question of which car would be the next in Infiniti's lineup to utilize their new 7 speed was the first that entered my mind when I saw the introduction of the new FX50. My 2006 M45 Sport lease expires in June and I've been waffling in my decision on a follow up car. I took the opportunity earlier this week to speak to the owner of my local Infiniti dealership about this topic and he offered his opinion as to what he thinks will happen.

    Infiniti has not yet announced to their dealers what will be happening with the 2009 M's. The intriguing thing, however, is that it appears that the 2009 M's will not be hitting dealer lots until sometime this fall. This is of interest because for the past two years the new M's were arriving to dealers in a June time frame. The owner feels that the 2-4 month delay would seem to bode well for a fairly significant change to the M even though Infiniti is still in the refresh part of the product cycle. Infiniti registered the M50 label some time ago so the 5 liter engine has certainly been in their plans for this car. Mating the new 7 speed to this engine would make sense since it is the combination that is going into the FX50. I doubt that there will be an M50 without the 7 speed but it is certainly possible that a change to the 7 speed may happen even if Infiniti chooses to leave the 4.5 liter in for now.

    Also, it appears that there is a stronger possibility that the new Q that has been in development for the past 4 years may never make production. Infiniti will be attempting to accelerate their push to become a global brand and it appears that the only market for a car larger than the M would be in the United States. The local dealer has indicated that he and many other Infiniti dealers would prefer not to see a low volume vehicle such as the Q return to the lineup. So, if the dealers for the major market of the Q aren't excited about the prospects of a new Q then it's entirely possible that the M will be slotted as the "flagship" car for the Infiniti brand. If this proves to be true then I would imagine that any significant improvements in the Infiniti brand will find their way into the M's very quickly.

    I would easily be content buying or re-leasing my current M as it has proven to be a wonderful car. I really haven't found noise or gas mileage to be a big problem for me. But, the 7 speed certainly would enhance the M45 and I could see it being a tremendous improvement for the M35 or M37. Hopefully this is the direction Infiniti is heading with this product.
  • nebraskaguynebraskaguy Posts: 341
    From what I've read, Cadillac's latest navigation system & screen display seem to be among, if not THE, industry's best. High marks have also been given to the nav systems offered by Infiniti and Acura.

    I recently test drove the new CTS. I really disliked the Nav system. I found it very clunky to use. I have an Acura RL and haven't found a Nav system that compared, in my opinion.
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    My Audi nav is just o k---about three years old---I would think any of the Japanese would be better, but know first hand Lexus is good...Tony
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,101
    The Cadillac system is on par with the Audi system which is good -- the Japanese systems, in some ways are superior.

    The Acura system is, according to most sources the best. Audis system even with voice command gets perhaps a B+.

    I am NOT unhappy with mine, but whenever I test one of the Infiniti or Acura products these days, I wonder why the Germans can't do better?

    Land Rover, too, is quite good.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Hey Mark, what do you think, S6 or Jag XF-R? I'm still torn.
  • kgarykgary Posts: 180
    The Cadilac system is about the same as my 05 A6 4.2. The Nav in my wife's Lexus is superior.
  • lovemyclklovemyclk Posts: 351
    M50... sounds like the latest battle tank nomenclature ;)

    Would sure like to see Infiniti tone down the rear of the M to a more sleek design, it that's the right word. When I get behind one, the rear appears overly tall IMO. Have not driven the M, as I'm still attached to my 2003 e39SP, but friends who own them appear to like them.

    My experience in a G35 Coupe was positive, so assuming the M is a similarly well-sorted out vehicle.
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    That height really helps the trunk volume...especially if you select the full-sized spare option.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Would sure like to see Infiniti tone down the rear of the M to a more sleek design, it that's the right word.

    Have you seen what the restyled '08 M looks like from the rear? It's quite an improvement over the original '06 design.

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  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,101
    I don't know enough about the PERFORMANCE of these cars. I assume they are both very high performers.

    If you want a distinctive car, the Jag has to be the winner.

    If you want what has, historically, been a very formidable driver's car, well the German probably wins.

    I read a test report, long time ago, about the S6. It was very impressive. I have seen the Jag and it is drop dead gorgeous. That is probably not what you want to hear, however.

    My choice if money in any way could be made less of an object, would be an Audi S8 -- but again, this may short change the Jaguar since I have not read anything of substance about it.

    A phantom black S8 with the option boxes ticked off (what few there are) is the car that I would go for if I won the lottery.

    Get the one that "speaks" to whatever criteria are most important to you, that's my best advice.
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    I just wish that more cars had the option to delete the sunroof. Depending on the car, it can take as much as 3" of headroom out of the car - that is vital when you are tall and long waisted. I also much prefer a mirror that has a double-jointed shaft so that you can not only move the mirror around the one swivel, you can move the whole thing both up and down...nothing more annoying than having your only driving position where your normal line-of-sight is looking though the stupid mirror - having to look around it so you can see what's over there is a safety hazard.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    ... I also much prefer a mirror that has a double-jointed shaft...

    I have never seen such a setup in any vehicle. :confuse:
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,563
    My last Grand Prix had one.
    Worked very well.
    My Corvette does not have one - and ( combined with the
    low roof & steeply raked windshield ) it does block a fairly
    large area...

    - Ray
    Appreciating the articulation...
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    Your observation about the sunroof and mirror are RIGHT ON.

    I challenge anyone to try to buy an Acura, Audi, BMW, Infiniti, Lexus, Mercedes or other non-american luxury car without a sunroof.

    I ordered a Cadillac CTS with a "delete sunroof" on 2/29/08. It has not been built yet, but I am clinging to the hope that GM will build it.
  • warthogwarthog Posts: 216
    In the American South, a sunroof is a mixed blessing. Except during the evening, early am or late afternoon, the sun is way too bright and hot to leave the sunroof open. However, if the car is going to be parked in the sun for awhile, it's pretty nice to be able to set the sunroof to vent to keep down the pizza oven effect or just to open it briefly upon entering to let the hot air out.
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