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  • jensadjensad Posts: 388
    I drove the 535 and it is fun, very nice handling, and at 110 mph, it brakes very well.

    Almost bought it, but after I tried out the Acura RL, and being able to discount the RL for the price, better ratings on safety, and ride which is also fun, exciting at 120 mph, I decided for the RL. Both are excellent vehicle and choices. Either way a buyer will enjoy his/her choice. And yes I like to drive fast, just don't do it over 80 mph in my own vehicle unless I have too.

    Good luck to all and stay safe.

    jensad
  • galamagalama Posts: 12
    I just got my 2002 530i stick
    Does anyone know how to set up hands free link? I dont have book on it and is this bluetooth feature or something else?
  • mobiusf1mobiusf1 Posts: 15
    Thanks for the input! :)

    I've definitely heard people say its cold, but to be honest, I don't get that same vibe. I love the exterior design, I always have, its edgy and aggressive. That's not to say I don't love the previous generation 5 series look, its just different. And the interior is fantastic (except for interior storage space) with excellent quality materials and superb attention to detail. You need to spend quite a bit of time in the car to appreciate the attention to detail. AND what an amazing steering wheel. I agree, its not really warm and fuzzy like some other cars but that doesn't really matter to me. I don't really feel that coldness about the interior some people feel. Quality, authenticity and driver oriented design are the most important things to me... and any little feelings of coldness about the interior went away once I put my foot on the pedal. :)

    Yea agreed, the standard suspension on the A6 is dull, I drove the last model A6 with the S-line and the sport suspension definitely made the car enjoyable. That's why I'm hoping the new A6 will have an S-line pack at some point. I haven't driven the 3.0T 19" Sport pk model your talking about though. Hopefully the next-gen A6 will be much improved, I've always wanted to like the car but when driving it I always can away with a very "blah" feeling.

    I can imagine that the new 5 will certainly face stiff competition from the M37. I love the 5 series but I definitely have respect for the M. It performs very well, quite fun to drive. Just didn't have some features that I liked (ie split folding rear seats) and the interior quality wasn't the best, and bad gas mileage. But other than that I really liked it, and I'm sure the M37 will be a pretty sweet performer and have made improvement in those other areas.

    Lexus doesn't seem to offer any threat at all which I'm not surprised about.......unless they design a F model GS, a driver's GS, similar to the IS-F but without the garish looking fake tailpipes and at a competitive price. But that won't happen, haha.

    Don't forget that while Infiniti and Audi will be improving the M and A6, the 5 series will without a doubt be even better so Infiniti and Audi was still have a very, very tough time on their hands if they want to overtake the 5 series. While I'm not biased in my driving opinions, I won't lie, I'm definitely a BMW fan but there is no bias when I say I think the 5 series is the best car in the segment.
  • mobiusf1mobiusf1 Posts: 15
    Sorry, I'm not exactly how to do that on your model year. Does the 02 5 series even have bluetooth? I'm not sure.

    Not to divert traffic from these forums, but for that kind of question you might be best looking in the bimmerfest.com forums or something like that. There would without a doubt be someone there who could answer that.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Lexus doesn't seem to offer any threat at all which I'm not surprised about.......unless they design a F model GS, a driver's GS, similar to the IS-F but without the garish looking fake tailpipes and at a competitive price. But that won't happen, haha.

    I'm not sure what the future of the F program is at this point. The LF-A was supposed to be an F car, but that may or may not ever be built. It's a sure bet that there will not be a GS-F for this generation. Lexus seems to be moving away from their performance experiment and towards greatly expanding their hybrid offerings. F-sport accessories will probably continue, but special F variants may not.

    In any case, as an S6 owner, I'm much more interested in the next gen S6 which will have twin turbo V8 power and most likely the S4's torque vectoring "QuattroSport" AWD system. I also really want to take the XFR for a spin. I came close to buying an XF SC, but went with the Audi in part because I knew Jag had a much more powerful engine waiting in the wings.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    Lexus doesn't seem to offer any threat at all which I'm not surprised about.

    I really don't think Lexus has any intention of trying to duplicate a 5 series any more than BMW wants to duplicate a GS, so likewise, I don't see any threats to the GS from BMW.

    Both cars have their pros and cons with Lexus leaning more toward luxury and reliability and BMW toward austerity and performance. Neither one is right or wrong, just different. Some people like chocolate and some like vanilla.

    IMO most people buy cars that fit with their own self image and/or to project an image of how they want others to perceive them. Psychology 101. :)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • mobiusf1mobiusf1 Posts: 15
    Agreed.

    As much as we're all taking about great performance and this and that, the fact is a lot of people do buy cars based on psychology. Being honest, even if Lexus made some amazing performance car to compete w/ the 5 series I would still have trouble thinking about purchasing it because of my image of Lexus. I definitely wouldn't feel right in it.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    I can still remember how utterly foolish I felt when my kids were growing up and for some reason or other I had to drive one of their cars...(camaro, sentra, mitsubishi, etc.)

    I also think our preferences can change over the years. For a long time it was either BMW or Mercedes for me but for the last 10 years or so it has been mostly Lexus, with a 2002 RL (very nice car) thrown in.

    I have never owned an Audi but that might make a nice change. I would not rule one out in the future. It seems like sort of a compromise between BMW and Lexus.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    I beg to disagree, the reason why you have certain perception of the car company is because of the type of cars it produce/produced. Lexus simply never made sport oriented cars (may be until recently with ISF) and for this reason many would never consider purchasing one.

    For me Lexus does not have anything over BMW. BMW handles better, it's faster ( in case of 535) and more luxurious. Without sports package it offers amazing blend of great handling and ride. Lexus might be more reliable, but I lease so it's not the most important factor.
  • mobiusf1mobiusf1 Posts: 15
    Your right on.

    honestly with the whole reliability thing, the 3 and 5 are fairly reliably cars, not like they used to be back in the 90s. And BMWs on the whole hold their value better than Lexus so the whole lease vs. purchase is even less of an argument.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I have never owned an Audi but that might make a nice change. I would not rule one out in the future. It seems like sort of a compromise between BMW and Lexus.

    That's a fair assessment. If you get a chance, drive an Audi at night. One of the things I like most about Audi is their fanatical attention to interior detail, and you really notice that at night when all the lights are on.
  • rockshocka1rockshocka1 Posts: 310
    Totally agree on the interior lighting of the Audis.

    When researching the cars on the net, even Edmunds pics reflected the interior at night poorly. Too much glare, & a caption to the effect of a plane's cockpit at night.

    I love how everything is lit with a nice, definitely, not too glaring red.
  • mobiusf1mobiusf1 Posts: 15
    True, it looks pretty sick at night
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I love how everything is lit with a nice, definitely, not too glaring red.

    Indeed. I also like how the accent lighting, such as the button effect lights, are soft and don't clash with the main lighting. They are either amber or red, and are just bright enough to let you know at a glance that the button is on.

    My wife's BMW uses ultra-bright green accent lights, which are distracting and clash with the overall orange hue. My favorite bit though is probably the little red LED strips above each door handle. I'm not positive, but I don't think anyone else has that.
  • mobiusf1mobiusf1 Posts: 15
    Actually, I love the little green lights. It's a nice contrast to the orange and its stands out.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,582
    Green/orange?

    That's a nice color combo... I've seen that somewhere... Just can't place my finger on it.. ;)

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  • vavavavolvovavavavolvo Posts: 111
    Acura is about to release something very interesting at the NY auto show on April 8th that might fit into this discussion.

    Stay tuned.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Acura is about to release something very interesting at the NY auto show on April 8th that might fit into this discussion.

    Yep, it's called the ZDX, and it seems to be a sort of cross between the X6 and 5 series GT - a tall sedan/SUV/coupe thing with a sloping roofline and a hatchback. I don't really get it.
  • vavavavolvovavavavolvo Posts: 111
    Those details you state about "tall" and "SUV" are probably wrong.

    Stay tuned.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Those details you state about "tall" and "SUV" are probably wrong.

    They aren't wrong, and I'm not guessing. The ZDX is a jacked up hatchback/SUV/crossover or whatever you want to call it, intended to go after the X6. I guess they figured somebody had to challenge the X6, but I have no idea why. As I predicted, it's much uglier in reality than the concept renderings suggested. No need to stay tuned, here it is in all its.. er.. "glory".

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  • vavavavolvovavavavolvo Posts: 111
    The object pictured is neither tall nor an SUV.
  • vavavavolvovavavavolvo Posts: 111
    Here are the details:http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/newyork/2009/2010acurazdxnew- s.html?mktcat=enabler&AID=10364102&PID=3144472&kw=N&synpartner=edmunds&mktid=cj2- 60233#2010acurazdxfint1

    It is a 4 door crossover that is 61 inches tall.
  • shmangshmang Posts: 297
    Well, it is not an SUV - if it is a cross over. But, at 61 inch, it is tall for a sedan for sure. And just look at the picture, the ground clearance is high - again, for a sedan or a cross over, which might be a good thing as long as it has a good rollover rating.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    It is a 4 door crossover that is 61 inches tall.

    Crossover, SUV, whatever. The label isn't important. My car is 56" tall, the Q5 is 65". So the ZDX is either a jacked up sedan, or a chopped SUV. Take your pick. My advice to Acura at this juncture would be to focus on their core products, and restyle them so that I don't have to suppress the urge to vomit every time I look at one. Chasing after microscopic BMW invented niches is not a smart move for a brand that is getting crushed by the competition.

    It is nice though to see Acura join the 21st century with a 6-speed autobox.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    ... I guess they figured somebody had to challenge the X6...

    :confuse:
    How quickly they forget. :sick: Infiniti was the first in that niche w/ the FX. And considering that the FX has been around for several years, it's BMW and (maybe) now Acura who are challenging the FX.
  • anagnianagni Posts: 2
    HELLO, I AM LOOKING TO PURCHASE A 2002 VOLVO S-80 T6 WITH 96,000 MILES.FOR $6750.00 . HOW IS THE PRICE AND WHAT SHOULD I LOOK FOR WHEN INSPECTING THE CAR??/ THANK YOU
  • willie2lwillie2l Posts: 12
    I can't help with the price but having owned several Volvos, which my wife has enjoyed driving, I suggest you look for a good extended warranty to pay for the not infrequent and expensive repairs. Best of luck with your purchase.
  • vavavavolvovavavavolvo Posts: 111
    Amen to that. These are not low maintenance vehicles. Unfortunately, they are the polar opposite.
  • anon3anon3 Posts: 147
    "If there is a chance you might be unfortunate enough to be T-boned in a side impact I would strongly re-think a list where you rate the new 5 series above the RL."

    And yet the 5 series gets five stars or a "good" rating in most or all of the other categories in other tests. So yes, if you think you are likely to be t-boned by a "moving deformable barrier" (specifically on the driver's side and not the passenger side) and if you're the type of person who chooses a vehicle based on just one of several safety ratings, then and Acura RL is probably a good choice for you.

    By the way, I also own a 2008 Volvo XC70, which has great safety ratings. But the brakes can barely handle the weight of the car and it is so ludicrously slow that it is actually dangerous to drive in heavy urban traffic and areas where agile driving is required (like frequent merging onto busy highways and beltways.) I'd rather drive the BMW that has the agility, braking, and performance to avoid an accident.

    One of my best friends totaled a BMW after a car clipped him at 60 mph and flipped his vehicle over a highway guard rail. He walked away from that crash literally with only a cut on the forehead. So I'll take my chances with the "moving deformable barrier" in a BMW.
  • anon3anon3 Posts: 147
    "Chasing after microscopic BMW invented niches is not a smart move for a brand that is getting crushed by the competition."

    Good observation and now BMW is inventing yet another micro niche with its BMW 5 Series Gran Turismo.

    http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/AllBMWs/ConceptVehicles/5SeriesGT/Default- - .aspx
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