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Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • m4mm4m Posts: 76
    edited May 2010
    I think a 2008 Infiniti M35 hits on all points except points 3 and 4, especially as they get older.

    4. Ability to fit 3 kids worth of stuff in the trunk

    You'll have plenty of room to move in Infiniti M35. Rear headroom (inches): 37.8, rear hip room (inches): 53.9, rear leg room (inches): 37.3, rear shoulder room (inches): 56.9 and interior volume (cu ft): 105.2 It also features a very respectable 14.9 cubic feet of luggage capacity in its trunk space. Its 20-gallon fuel tank will allow you to travel an easy 350 miles before needing filled again. Make no mistake about it: price point considered, the M35 will stack up nicely against just about any vehicle

    5. I will probably keep the car for 6 years, so it needs to be somewhat reliable. Extended warranty is a must.

    http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/autos/0910/gallery.consumer_reports_most_rel- - - - iable_cars/4.html

    HTH
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,563
    edited May 2010
    "5. I will probably keep the car for 6 years, so it needs to be somewhat reliable. Extended warranty is a must.
    6. Since I am keeping for so long, needs to have decent technology.

    I was considering the Pontiac G8, but I think it fails on points 5 and 6."

    If you could find a used 2009 G8 GT, with less than 36,000 miles
    [ like mine ]
    you could substantially extend the wty with GMPP.
    Not sure what you mean here by 'decent technology',,,?
    - Ray
    Very pleased with my G8 GT - so far...
  • ddeliseddelise Posts: 339
    I have been very interested in the G8. But to points:

    5. I am thinking that parts/expertise will be hard to come by in a few years with this car. So having an extended warranty might not be too helpful. This is probably overstated, but a concern I have nonetheless.

    6. What I mean by decent technology is up to date electronics like the Sync system and a modern Nav (should I decide to get it). I also mean nice creature comforts like backup camera/cooled seats/backup sensors/etc. I don't think the G8 has this.

    But what the G8 does have is a nice sized back seat and trunk, nice ergonomics, and by far the sportiest ride of any of the other cars I am considering (save perhaps the M35).

    Help me get over my perceived negatives on points 5 and 6!
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    edited June 2010
    ... Help me get over my perceived negatives on points 5 and 6!

    [grabs you by the shoulders and give you a good shake and a slap, 1940's style]
    Get over it!
  • ddeliseddelise Posts: 339
    That was easy - just put in a bid on ebay for a G8 :) !
  • carolinabobcarolinabob Posts: 530
    Re: Genesis. Make sure you take it on long drives over various road surfaces. Lots of complaints about the ride/suspension.
  • carolinabobcarolinabob Posts: 530
    Same advice on Azera as on Genesis. You really need to test the ride/suspension. If you get a used one, make sure it was not a "buy back" and they are out there.
  • ddeliseddelise Posts: 339
    Thanks - will do so. I should get the opportunity this Thursday - will come back with a report then.
  • ddeliseddelise Posts: 339
    Thanks for the info - I was not aware of the same situation with the Azera.
  • m4mm4m Posts: 76
    edited June 2010
    Nissan North America Inc. has taken legal steps to create a performance segment for its Infiniti Division product line, similar to its larger luxury rivals Mercedes-Benz and BMW.

    Nissan has filed for trademark protection for the names "IPL" and "Infiniti Performance Line," according to documents on file with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. According to the applications, the IPL trademark would cover the brand's use of "high-performance motor vehicle parts," including turbochargers and superchargers for engines, cat-back exhaust and muffler systems, shifter knobs, suspension parts, brakes, sports seats and off-road headlights. A spokesman at Infiniti's North American headquarters in Franklin, Tenn., declined to discuss the trademark filings or the brand's product plans. This month in Louisville, Ky., the vice president of the Infiniti Business Unit, Ben Poore, told reporters that he intends to reveal a new performance-oriented offering this summer. He did not elaborate.

    we will find out on 8/11 in Pebble beach:

    http://www.autoblog.com/2010/05/24/infiniti-performance-line-ipl-is-coming-this-- year/
  • m4mm4m Posts: 76
    First drive: Infiniti M30d saloon

    http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/revi...-saloon/36621/

    I wonder if we'll ever see this engine in the U. S.?
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,306
    edited July 2010
    I wonder if we'll ever see this engine in the U. S.?

    Seriously?

    Of course not.

    CARB has seen to it that none of the wonderful diesels that Europe and the rest of the world have been enjoying for well over ten years will never be sold here, besides which the EPA registration paperwork jungle for each and every engine/drivertrain configuration is onerous enough to discourage most primes from marketing anything but that which sells in large numbers. Diesels don't fit that model.

    VW has taken the plunge and they're selling TDIs hand over fist, but they're pretty much alone.

    Sad. :sick:
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    VW has taken the plunge and they're selling TDIs hand over fist, but they're pretty much alone.

    Not exactly. There is the 335d, and all of the Germans offer diesels in their SUVs. Audi has been surprised at the success of the A3 TDi, and hopefully that will push them to offer more of their diesels here. I'd much rather have an A4 3.0TDi than the 2.0T gas engine.
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    I was told at the NYC autoshow that the 530d GT will come to the US in 2011. Here's hoping...I'm hoping for the x-drive version and will order one when it becomes available.
  • famof3kidsfamof3kids Posts: 160
    Any updates on your search? I like your list as it is close to mine as well.
    I'm down to a 08/09 Infiniti M35X, or a new Taurus SHO.
  • ddeliseddelise Posts: 339
    Right now, I would say I am leaning towards a Taurus SHO or Genesis 3.6, both (slightly) used.

    I need more room in the backseat due to 3 kids than the M35 provides.

    I'll keep you posted as I get closer to decision time.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,405
    When buying slightly used cars, be sure you don't pay more than a new one with rebates/finance deals. Very common issue currently.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    In 2005 this forum was one of the best reads on Edmunds. I see Lexusguy and MarkCincinnati still contribute and that's a good thing. Just wanted to mention that my 2005 RL has been a great ride. Hopefully a year from now the 2012 RL Flagship gets Acura back into the frey with something special to talk about.
    Enjoy the summer.
    JJAcura
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,405
    Which Lexus is closest in size to the Avalon ?
  • vigorlovervigorlover Posts: 40
    Avalon is on a stretched Camry platform, so probably ES which is also on the Camry platform would be the closest. Avalon has more interior room than any but the LS.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    I come here from time to time, but the, er, attendance, is way down here. Perhaps it is because there aren't enough NEW models to merit discussion; or, perhaps, worse, "it's the economy stupid."

    You know, though, my $53,286 MSRP A6 (2005) went for the same monthly lease for the same term as my ~$49K MSRP A4 (2009) -- all this during a time when the Fed cut rates to nearly 0%!

    You know, I love my 2009 A4 and it is a better PERFORMING car than the outgoing 2005 A6. But, tho I live in a BIG TOWN (or small city, Cincinnati), I just can't really use the performance the Audi offers.

    Now, then, this revoltin' set of circumstances makes me wonder what in the wide wide world of sports to do next.

    The CTS(4) with the HO V6 seems like a reasonable alternative (and with a better warranty and lower payments and just as much content and still more performance than can be used (legally or illegally on the hiways and byways around and in Cincinnapolis.) Heck, even the rumored Buick Regal GS looks like it is worth a test drive (assuming it is the one with the HO I4 and AWD.) Again at a better bang for the buck (considering the real pot-hole riddled world I live in here in perpetually in economic recession Ohio), too.

    So my buddy trades in a 5 series for a V8 Genesis and loves it (but for me, I say na baby na, no RWD need apply.) Wow lotsa car for little money and good warranty and great lease deals -- what could it hurt (if I am willling to forgo AWD, which I am NOT!)

    So my wife's buddy trades in the C class for an Infiniti G37XS -- after so wanting another Merc, or BMW or Audi A4 -- but she says, the Infiniti is zippier than all of them for a decent 3 figure per month $ amount less on the lease and with higher content to boot.

    Loyalty is a [non-permissible content removed], sometimes. :shades:
  • twinbtwinb Posts: 140
    That's right. Additionally, the view out the pass side rear window is better in the Avalon.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    You know, I love my 2009 A4 and it is a better PERFORMING car than the outgoing 2005 A6. But, tho I live in a BIG TOWN (or small city, Cincinnati), I just can't really use the performance the Audi offers.

    Imagine how I feel with 10 cylinders, and no autobahn to use them on.

    I think my pick for the entry-lux segment is still the S4, although Infiniti has done a nice job with the G's reskin and its I think better looking than the slightly weird M. The CTS just has never done it for me, I'm not sure why. I like it better than the hideous and cheap TL, but even the C-class I think is better looking.

    I can't get past what the Buick brand stands for. It's like Lincoln, you can make a cool, sexy state of the art Buick or Lincoln, but the brand really can't catch up to the product.

    As much as I like the S4 though, it's still just a bit small, and the interior cost cutting I think is just a bit too obvious compared to the B6-B7 A4.

    Infiniti has shown their cards and they've done a pretty incredible job with the new M. I like it, but I don't love it. The new 5 is nice, particularly on the inside, but the fact that it seems to be basically a shrunken 7 with a boring driving experience and numb electric steering is a big turn off. That basically leaves Audi and the A6 and A7, one of which is likely to be my next car. I'm very interested in the A7 reveal which is supposed to be soon, as well as what Audi comes up with for the 2012 A6. The fact that the current car took down the brand new 5 and M in Car and Driver is pretty incredible.
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    Good to see you in here. I just gave back my 335 lease. It was simply the best car I've ever had. I'm a poor student so I'm driving an old beater now. Someday I'm hoping to be able to get in to a pre-owned Cayman S.
    Don't know if your a motorcycle guy but I'm seriously tempted by the new Ducati baby monster, Yummy!!!!
  • jtlajtla Posts: 375
    Agreed with Jayrider. Also note that the Hyundai’s 10-year/100,000-mile powertrain warranty is non-transferable to used-car owners; it apply to the original owner only. The second and subsequent owners have a 5-year/60,000-mile warranty from the manufacturing date. So, if you consider slightly-used Genesis, you may as well get a new one.
  • carolinabobcarolinabob Posts: 530
    Based on some reviews, JD Powers IQS, True Delta, US News, etc., Genesis is not the stellar car some think it is. While it does offer a lot for the money, it does have some limitiations.
    BTW, the warranty really doesn't matter if when you take the car in, the dealer says unable to duplicate problem or that's the way the car is designed. Live with it.
    Before purchasing a Genesis, or any car, take it on a long test drive over various road surfaces - and tell the salesman to keep his mouth shut.
    US News Reviews and Reports Automotive site has some very good information on new cars. MB E Class ranks number one in its class.
    Incidentally, the Genesis is not and never will be a Luxury car, just as the Chevy Caprice, AMC Ambassador, etc. never were.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    edited July 2010
    Genesis is not the stellar car some think it is. While it does offer a lot for the money, it does have some limitiations.

    Most of what I've heard are complaints about less than stellar ride quality. The Genesis isn't bad looking, but the interior design reminds me of my old '01 LS430, only its not as good.

    As for the E, I don't think its that great. It's a bland drive, and it can't match the new 5 series at pretty much everything.
  • carolinabobcarolinabob Posts: 530
    It really is a matter of personal taste. I considered E, 5 Series and GS and LS before deciding on the E350.
    IMO, the E class is between the LS for luxury and amenities and the 5 series for performance. Best combination of both worlds.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    IMO, the E class is between the LS for luxury and amenities and the 5 series for performance. Best combination of both worlds.

    That makes sense. Actually the one area where the new 5 seems to be a disappointment compared to its predecessor is performance. It's heavier, and while the N55 is a more advanced engine than the N54 in the old 535i, it hasn't made the car any faster. The biggest complaints seem to be about the new electric steering system, which apparently suffers from the same numbness and lack of feel as most other electric systems. Not what you expect from the "ultimate driving machine" company.

    I'm most interested in the upcoming 2012 A6. Audi has gotten very good lately at offering performance on the same level as BMW or Infiniti, while still leading the luxury industry in design and technology.

    The area where the current A6 is weakest is probably the center stack layout. It was their first attempt to break from the "classic" Audi interior layout, and it seems a bit flat and dull compared to the more stylized followups in the A4, A5, and Q5. The 5 and M both bring huge interior improvements compared to their predecessors, and if Audi can do the same the A6 should really be something special.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The A7 is everything the Panamera isn't. Sleek, gorgeous, amazing. It makes the new XJ look like a stick of butter. Awesome job by Audi.

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