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  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Yes, it is interesting that given the HP wars, particularly involving the M vs the GS, that Nissan/Infiniti chose NOT to put the upgraded G VQ engine in the M. Latter has 275HP vs. 306 in the "new" VQ in the G (over 80% new parts, variable valve timing on both intake an exhaust cams, etc), while a new GS 350 is likely out in the Fall with more power and MUCH better gas mileage. Infiniti blew this one in my humble opinion. Not addressing the gas mileage issue is a major blunder(no six speed auto, etc).
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    with the current G [and I hope it isn't continued into the next model] is that the torque isn't in a very "user friendly"
    place in the power band. It is in my opinion very european [see autobahn] in it's application. To jump on the Shipo, Mark bandwagon "horsepower be damned, I want useable torque" and down low where all good things "hang"
    The 350z was the exact opposite. I heard tell a simple computer re-map/flash was the preferred elixir
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    stories about people owning a porsche and it being an A word. I just can't bring myself to use the full word being a Gentleman and all. I wonder if there is a special place in hell for people that chain up their dog in the yard their whole life, and people who drive a Porsche with that...well you know what I'm talking about. :mad: :sick: :P :shades:
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I hate hearing stories about people owning a porsche and it being an A word.

    Of course its the "T" word with regards to a Porsche. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    2005 Audi A6 3.2 quattro AT6 - 243 @ 3250 rpm
    2004 BMW 530i Sport - 214 @ 3500 rpm
    2005 Cadillac STS V6 - 252 @ 3200 rpm
    2005 Infiniti M35 - 270 @ 4800 rpm
    2005 Jaguar S-Type 3.0 - 216 @ 4100 rpm
    2005 Acura RL - 260 @ 5000 rpm

    2006 MB E-Class detail, just for comparison: torque of 350 Nm between 2400 and 5000 rpm
    305 Newton metres of torque – 87 percent of the maximum – is available from 1500 rpm
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    "the problem with the current G [and I hope it isn't continued into the next model] is that the torque isn't in a very "user friendly" place in the power band. It is in my opinion very european [see autobahn] in it's application. To jump on the Shipo, Mark bandwagon "horsepower be damned, I want useable torque" and down low where all good things "hang"

    I didnt notice that, at least not with an automatic G35. I found the power delivery to be very smooth from top to bottom, much unlike the Acura TL, which has no low-end torque and feels a bit sluggish off the line.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    "I hate hearing stories about people owning a porsche and it being an A word. I just can't bring myself to use the full word being a Gentleman and all. I wonder if there is a special place in hell for people that chain up their dog in the yard their whole life, and people who drive a Porsche with that...well you know what I'm talking about."

    And I don't care for stereotypes and innuendo. I wouldn't be hitchhiking onto the concept of a "gentleman" with that post.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    "Of course its the "T" word with regards to a Porsche."

    Pardon my ignorance. I assume you don't mean torque? Hmm.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "Pardon my ignorance. I assume you don't mean torque?"

    Torque works, however, I was thinking Tiptronic. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    "with an automatic G35. I found the power delivery to be very smooth from top to bottom"

    I find that with the V6 in my M35. From what I've read and from watching the tachomoter, my impression is that the car "reaches" up quickly into high rpm range to get that torque at low speeds. That is one way to achieve the effect we experience when driving the G or the M. Another way, which appears to draw more positive attention in articles I read on engines and drivetrains, is to build an engine that reaches into its peak torque range at lower rpms.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Yes, it is interesting that given the HP wars, particularly involving the M vs the GS, that Nissan/Infiniti chose NOT to put the upgraded G VQ engine in the M.

    Prediction: M sales are going to drop like a rock when the G is introduced. And the G will be a hot seller and compensate for the lost sales of the M. Unfortuantely the product-line of Infiniti is beginning to look scant. With upoming lacklustre sales of the M and hardly non-existent sales of the Q, the Infiniti brand will be carried mainly on the shoulders of the G.

    If I was an Infiniti dealer I would protest and demand the the M be given an upgraded engine at the same time as the G. Ofcourse Infiniti's H.O. will not listen.
  • rich545rich545 Posts: 386
    The Tip in my Cayenne is great when shifting manually. It's just not so great when left in full auto. I was just surprised at the different 0-60 times for the Boxter with Tip though. It's the same with the Boxter S too. The Tip is about .8 seconds slower than manual 0-60. The 911 Carrera 4S cuts that difference in half, and the Turbo cuts it to .3 according to the website. With differences that small I could see a really good Tip driver making up for them. I just wonder why 0-60 times are so different for the Boxter and Cayman, but not the 911. Is it the increased power?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Prediction: M sales are going to drop like a rock when the G is introduced. And the G will be a hot seller and compensate for the lost sales of the M. Unfortuantely the product-line of Infiniti is beginning to look scant. With upoming lacklustre sales of the M and hardly non-existent sales of the Q, the Infiniti brand will be carried mainly on the shoulders of the G.

    I dont think thats true. The IS350 has loads more power than the GS300, but it hasn't really impacted sales of the GS. You can already get more muscle from the G than the M35, via the six-speed. The G35's original engine upgrade coincided with its mid-cycle refresh. I'm sure that when it comes time for an updated M, the new engine will be on the list.
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    Prediction: M sales are going to drop like a rock when the G is introduced.

    Out-on-limb prediction. Sales of M were down in June and July, compared to last June and July (by 13.4% July to July) -- not sure when one hits "drop like a rock" percentage downturn point. On the other hand, M with new engine would be a year away, so if new G gets serious attention in showrooms, not sure why M sales would go up again, if competition is both external and internal.

    Sales for Infiniti were down 18.1 percent with 10,548 units sold as compared with last July’s 13,395 units.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    dont think thats true. The IS350 has loads more power than the GS300, but it hasn't really impacted sales of the GS.

    GS300 sales were not impacted after the IS350 intro?

    GS 300 figures: -33.7% MTD July 06 and -13.0% YTD 06

    Apparently something is impacting GS sales if not the IS350.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Apparently something is impacting GS sales if not the IS350.

    I think its just some novelty wearing off of the GS. I would put the lost sales to stiff competition from the likes of the 5 and E, not the IS's power advantage. I guess we'll see what happens when the GS350 is introduced.
  • drtraveldrtravel Posts: 395
    Prediction: M sales are going to drop like a rock when the G is introduced. And the G will be a hot seller and compensate for the lost sales of the M.

    The M is much bigger (and comfortable) car than the G. If buyers were only concerned about hp they could get the M45. Like saying that if BMW put a more powerful engine in the 3-series, the sales of the 5-series would drop like a rock. Not when you're comparing apples to oranges.
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    think it was to much of a stretch to put together that automatic is the word. Hopefully i haven't offended anyone with that.....automatic, automatic, automatic. OK, back to hitchhiking ;)
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    I think M sales will drop a bit, but not "like a rock". It should be able to meet its annual sales goal of 24,000 units per year, even during its 3rd and 4th years.

    The 2008 M will probably get the 306 3.5L engine, along with some updates to the exterior and interior. Or it may even get the 3.7L engine that the 2008 G Coupe is purportedly getting. At the same time, they'll have to up the hp in the M45, to compete better against the 550i, GS460 and E550. Nissan recently trademarked "FX50" (but no "M50" yet), so we'll see.

    I bet that they change the M's amber instrumentation to the predominantly white instrumentaion, similar to the 2007 G35.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Careful - no cussing in here!!

    :P
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