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Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • drtraveldrtravel Posts: 395
    The Calty studio did a great job with the SC400 back in '91, and since then.. well..

    Back in 1991 I was standing in line at a movie theater and I saw this great looking car drive by... it was the brand new Lexus SC 400. So a few months later I had to buy one. They still look great although the new style SC looks worse than even Bangle's nightmares.
  • drtraveldrtravel Posts: 395
    Toyota knows that the vast majority of the auto buying public, at least in the US, are not driving enthusiasts. They have no idea how a car works, they just want things like simple controls, comfort, and reliability, which are all things Toyota does very well.

    So what does this say about all those BMW renters? Are they really that interested in the driving mechanics or status? I know there are quite a few enthusiasts who rent BMW's because of their handling, engine etc. Actually everyone who visits this forum probably falls under this category, but a majority of actual buyers do not.

    This might also explain why Audis outsell BMWs in Germany but the sales figures are not close in the US. In the performance orientated part of the world (i.e. Germany) Audis and BMWs are very close. In the status part of the world (i.e. US) BMWs outsell Audis.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    An excellent post.
    You nailed it.
    The German Status thing is very influential in decision-making for many BMW owners, and yes, so many do get the automatic transmission, and yes, quite a few would probably be just as satisfied with an Accord or Camry.

    All of us driving luxury vehicles have made a statement.

    These high-priced performance cars are basically wasted in the USA with their ridiculous speed limits with smokey waiting to pounce on those horrible law-breakers going 30mph in a 20 mph zone while someone could be getting raped down the block.
    It's a wonder anybody buys or rents BMW, Porsche or Infiniti over here.
    Pretty much a waste, except for the "look at me" status thing.
    Putting these cars through their paces like the autorags do, is just a forbidden fantasy to many of us.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I rent BMW's because I have not found any other vehicle in its segment that I would rather be driving when a lunatic in an adjacent lane comes over to share.
    I have avoided several highway accidents due to the agility of these extraordinary vehicles.
    I feel totally safe in BMW vehicles and they have my complete confidence.
  • drtraveldrtravel Posts: 395
    How come leather seats are not STANDARD on all luxury autos??? Isn't leather a minimum requirement of luxury? And of course I get a kick out of how you can't find a Lexus without the "optional" leather seats.

    Just my two cents worth....
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Back in 1991 I was standing in line at a movie theater and I saw this great looking car drive by... it was the brand new Lexus SC 400. So a few months later I had to buy one. They still look great although the new style SC looks worse than even Bangle's nightmares.

    I remember when I first drove the original SC being extremely impressed by how modern and intuitive its controls were. The inside didn't look dated even when it went out of production in 2000. The inside of the S class coupe and 850i, on the other hand, looks straight out of the '80s.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I completely disagree.

    I could not care less what logo is on my hood. It's how the car drives and whether it suits my family needs that counts. That is why I chose a BMW530xi.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I wasn't referring to you, Dewey, or any typical Edmunds posters who are enthusiasts and truly love how their vehicles drive.

    I was profiling the "typical" BMW driver, who wouldn't think of ordering mt and sport package-who is more into comfort through status and would probably be just as happy driving an Accord or Camry.

    I'm with you. As long as BMW's are the best-performing in their segment, I'm hooked, even though I enjoy testing other vehicles.

    Can't wait to drive the twin-turbo 335i next month!
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    Havne't read all of the responses, so this may have been answered already...check out crutchfield.com . They probably can supply a variety of changers that will fit with any adapter cables, if required.
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    Try to sit in the seat of a car basking in the sun in Phoenix all day covered in leather...cloth has its advantages.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Can't wait to drive the twin-turbo 335i next month!

    Me too.
  • Obviously I could care less -- since I drive an Audi, since they are the Rodney Dangerfield of the LPS world, here in Vaspucciland.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Dont worry when Audi's new MLP platform arrives, Rodney Dangerfield will magically transform into a Schumacher, even in Vaspucciland. ;)

    Although we do know that at least globally Audi is giving BMW some heat even without the MLP platform.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    “Can't wait to drive the twin-turbo 335i next month!”

    Me 3.
    I am scheduled to attend a “we’ll pay for the tires & gas, you drive it hard” BMW 335i Coupe intro event here near Atlanta a week from Sunday.

    http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0609_2007_bmw_335i_dynamometer/

    - Ray
    Considering the 335i Sedan to be qualified for this Forum – as well as the 5 Series . . .
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Wow,

    For a few grand more than a 330i you get this:

    SOURCE: Automobile Magazine Sept. 2006
    So in an all-out drag race, the 335i comes close, but can’t quite match the M3’s blistering acceleration. Those numbers, though, only tell half the story. Have a look at the top-gear acceleration figures. In sixth gear, the M3 needs 14.7 seconds to get from 30 to 70 mph – but the 335i does it in only 12.5.

    That, my friends, is the beauty of this engine. At full bore, it’s as fast as an M3. But at moderate engine speeds, it’s even faster. What a great way to keep us all interested until the next M3 comes along.


    AMAZING!
  • Don't get me wrong, the 335 is going to be a doozy, but..."In sixth gear, the M3 needs 14.7 seconds to get from 30 to 70 mph – but the 335i does it in only 12.5"...that has to be the most bizzare acceleration test I have ever heard of. 30 to 70 in sixth gear? Who does that?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Who does that? Depends upon what kind of traffic you're driving in. Can't say that I've ever done it, can't say that I haven't.

    Stepping away from the reason for reporting that metric for a moment, it does seem to be a good indicator of lower end torque. So, while I'm not likely to employ my car in that manner so that I can brag about being able to do 30-70 in sixth in 12.5 seconds, I would very much enjoy the plentiful supply of low end torque in other situations (and probably brag on that instead). ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Wow! I can hardly wait. Should be a blast!
  • I think you missed my point. Who would start at 30 mph in 6th gear? Second or third, maybe. Fourth if you want a very slow, smooth start. But 6th? Giving up a lotta torque there. Maybe the article meant to say from a lower gear, I don't know.

    Low end torque would be non-existant starting from 30 in 6th gear.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "I think you missed my point. Who would start at 30 mph in 6th gear? Second or third, maybe. Fourth if you want a very slow, smooth start. But 6th?"

    No, I got your point, however when I responded I failed to mention that I've yet to have a 6-Speed and that my "Top Gear" driving has all been in 3rd, 4th or 5th (depending upon the car). So, what I should have said was:
    "Who does that? Depends upon what kind of traffic you're driving in. Can't say that I've ever done it in top gear, can't say that I haven't."

    Thinking about this further, I rather doubt that I'd operate a car in that fashion, however, I suppose anything is possible.

    "Low end torque would be non-existant starting from 30 in 6th gear."

    With two small turbo chargers on tap, it might could well not be as low as one might think.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
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