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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,103
    Frankly....like any car, it's worth it if you believe it is. It's your money.....your choice. Good luck!
  • txscotxsco Posts: 4
    Good point; I guess I should have been more specific. Does anyone have any short or long term experience owning/driving an E63? I'm leaning toward buying the car-would like the power-but am given pause-ok, only a bit-as I haven't owned a RWD car in 25 years.
    So what's the driving experience like?
    Thanks.
  • Was researching 2011 2012 5 series. Read a lot about the transmission problems in the 2011 model. Has anyone had any problems with the 2012 model? Also, if the car learns how the driver drives and the transmission adjusts for it, how does it work out when buying a used car? Thanks in advance for any help.
  • Was told by a mechanic before that the maintenance cost of MB is noticebly greater than that of BMW. Would like opinions and experiences. Thanks much.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,103
    Which mechanic told you that? Maintenance is higher with both BMW and Benz, when compared to a Ford, for example.

    Might want to look here to get an idea of the cost to own one over the other....

    http://www.edmunds.com/tco.html
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,825
    Well, this might be true if you were buying new, as BMW includes the first two years of maintenance - so your first two years of true maintenance cost on the BMW would be $0. If you look at following years 3-5, there's not an appreciable difference in maintenance costs.

    Repair costs? Not sure about that one, but fluids and wear & tear items don't seem to be vastly different.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,103
    kirstie...just from my small sample size and experience, aside from free maintenance on BMW, oil changes at the dealer ran about $70/ea. Why? Well, for one, BMWs (as well as Mercedes) require the use of synthetic oil. Other, more traditional cars still use "regular" (and cheaper) oil. That said, the extra costs for oil changes might be offset by the longer recommended oil change intervals.

    But, you're right. During the "free" maintenance period for BMW, you really pay nothing except for tires. That should be tallied as part of the cost of owning any of these brands, too.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,151
    oil changes at the dealer ran about $70/ea.

    Damn, that's cheap. Even when I called to ask what they would charge for our E30, I was told $100. I haven't even bothered to ask what they would want to do my 135i. It costs me about $85 just to buy the oil and filter from the store.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,825
    Yeah, even our Crossfire has about a $100 oil change.

    If a consumer is looking to buy a used vehicle with relatively low maintenance costs, neither BMW nor MB is likely to be a great choice. Buying any luxury marque generally involves higher maintenance and consumable costs (e.g., tires), as you know.

    Related to the original question, my point was that the BMW 2-year free maintenance will not be a factor since the vehicles being considered are 2-3 years old. And, for vehicles in that price range, I don't consider a couple hundred bucks per year in maintenance difference to be a significant amount - at least not enough to sway me toward one vehicle over the other.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,103
    kirstie....Q....I must be WAAAAAY BEHIND THE TIMES. I thought $70 for an oil change was about 2x-3X what it should be.

    I know I got coupons from my BMW dealer stating how they're oil changes, brakes, tires, batteries, tune-ups etc were competitively priced. I guess they were right.

    Then again, I haven't been to an outside mechanic (other than the dealer) for service in quite some time.
  • What I am starting to hear from people is that since the free maintenance portion will be over, BMW will have smaller problems more frequently and the MB will have fewer problems, but will cost somewhat more when it does. So in the end, it kinda evens out. Of course this is all in general trends.
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    Most European cars, the Germans in particular, treat their cars much better than the average American does. They believe in pre-emptive maintenance which means they check, service, replace things such that the vehicle retains its high performance capabilities almost as if it were new for as long as you own the vehicle. If you subscribe to that, because it does take a fair amount of time and you may be replacing things before they break, it can get costly. Some of the checks you can do yourself if you're handy, but this may not then reflect on the vehicle maintenance history, so you may end up paying more by a lower resale value. Having a full history of factory trained maintenance can make a difference when it comes time to sell the thing, not counting the fact it is likely to be in better shape. Having never owned a MB, I can't say whether it is more expensive than a BMW, and mine is still fairly new and still under factory warranty (it's also my first BMW), so I can't compare them. I do know that parts costs, should you not be covered under warranty, are quite high. Labor rates, depends somewhat on where you live, but the quantity of hours is often up there as well.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,825
    Well, $70 would be way excessive for my Ford Escape, but the oil alone for the Crossfire is the majority of the cost. Plus, of course, with "non-standard" vehicles, the filter is likely to be higher.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,103
    Kirstie.....didn't kow you had a Crossfire. I was really intrerested in those when they first came out. Then MB sold the company to Cerebus and Chrysler quit making them.

    Sweet car!
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,825
    The car belongs to my S.O., and slightly pre-dates me. It's not exactly what I would have chosen, but I will say it's given us zero trouble and it's fun to drive when it's just the two of us. Next 2-seater will be a convertible for sure.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,103
    edited March 2013
    Kirstie....I know my opinion carries no clout, but may I offer a suggestion?

    I'm really diggin' on this.....

    http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/shelbygt500convertible/
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,825
    Very, very nice!

    The vehicle selection will depend on who's doing the buying. If I trade in first for a convertible, it will probably be something cute - the Audi TT has always tempted me. If he jumps first, speed & power and cool lines will be higher on the list.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,103
    Oooooohhh....I like the TT 'vert!
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,825
    Me too - always have, and it's the one vehicle I've admired for a long time, so I don't think it's a phase that will just pass if I wait long enough.

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  • Before you decide, test drive a miata. I know people that have opinions of it go to extremes good or bad, but it is really fun to drive.
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