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  • cstilescstiles Posts: 465
    Acura Division sales rose 11.9% to a new April record of 19,102. April was the 2nd best month in Acura's 19-year history, and the 18th consecutive record-setting month of sales for the division as a whole.

    Acura year-to-date sales of 67,516 have risen 8.9% versus a year ago. Acura passenger car sales reached a new April record of 14,029 vehicles, up 15.8% for the month, and up 13.6% for the year.

    TSX marked its fifth consecutive record month with sales of 3,329 units, up 35.4% for the month and up 34.7% for year to date. TL sales reached 7,206, up 3.4%.

    April sales of the RL rose 153.2% (versus April 04) to 1,304 vehicles, while year-to-date sales of 5,463 are up 183.9%.

    MDX sales lifted Acura light truck sales to a new April record of 5,073 units, a rise of 2.4% versus year-ago results.

    Nonetheless, RL sales will likely fall short of the 20,000 target, even with sales likely picking up during the warmer summer months. It will be interesting to see if Acura rolls out an incentivized lease offer. You almost figure they have to.

    As an aside, American Honda sales (without Acura) are also up 13.9% over year-ago, and up 3.2% year-to-date.
  • cstilescstiles Posts: 465
    I'm not so sure it will "explode," but clearly that is where the carmakers are putting many of their eggs. You almost have to wonder if the segment will end up getting too saturated, too soon.

    Many of these luxury "cute utes" and crossovers are mechanically related to more plebian versions (ex: RDX vs. CRV, RX vs. Highlander....), so you wonder if all of these marquees can sustain sales of luxury versions. But the R&D costs are minimal, so the downsides are probably not that great.

    The Infiniti CX35 is not supposed to bow until MY2008. That sounds like it will be 2 years behind the RDX?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I too am amazed at how well the 5-Series is doing. Those newly engined 525i and 530i models must be really doing their thing. The E-Class and 5-Series has swapped positions! Virtually unheard of.

    The RL has been caught out by its fellow Japanese competition and its 300hp V6 and awd isn't going to help it much.

  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,577
    Now back to our regularly scheduled program......

    "So between the S, the 7, the LS and the A8, where do the gang's best feelings reside? "

    Answer: A8 but shaken (leased), not stirred (bought).
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    None of this is really THAT surprising to me.

    5: The big seller is the 525i, accounting for 42% of 5 series sales. The new 3.0 215 hp engine is sufficient for most people. A well equipped 525i comes well under $50k, and with BMW's low lease rates, it's easy to see why this is popular. With the AWD versions just now being sold, I wouldn't be that surprised to see sales even increase.

    E: I suspect that the CLS and the GS is taking a bite out of its sales.

    STS: There are still quite a few people who want a big, roomy sedan in this segment that says "American luxury", and only the STS offers that. This is still the US, and still a lot of loyal Cadillac buyers out there.

    GS: For people who want luxury over sport, along with some prestige and reliability, this is the only choice. Plus the unparalleled dealer network.

    M: Doing pretty well in uncharted territory for Infiniti. The Infiniti name is its biggest drawback in this status conscious segment. Plus, it may be too sporty for a lot of the 40 and 50 year olds, who are the target buyers in this segment.

    RL: A very nice car, and at $45,000 street price, a good value. Its rather pedestrian look may turn off buyers who are looking for something that says "luxury". Just having one loaded V6 AWD variant is its biggest drawback in terms of sales.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I meant more in terms of compact luxury utes being the next big thing. The '98 RX300 started the midsize luxury x-over craze (I dont count the ML320 because even though it was out earlier, it wasn't unibody, and hence not an x-over), and this segment is still going strong, even with 9 or 10 players competing. Compact luxury utes though are relatively new. There's the X3, and nobody else really has anything yet. The B-class has been put on hiatus because of Mercedes money woes, but the three Japanese players at least will definitely respond.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Actually the B-Class isn't on hold because of money problem at Mercedes. It was put on hold for sale in the U.S. because of the Euro/Dollar situation. In other words they would have had to price it so high to make money that it wouldn't be competive. The B-Class itself isn't on any type of hold and will go on sale in Europe this summer. The Euro situation is the reason why the Audi A3 can run as much as 35K, pretty pricey for a hatch imo.

    Mercedes' actual entry in the compact luxury ute segment has been announced for prodution by 2008. The B-Class is like a crossover/hatch thing anyway.

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    That is a very good perspective on sales.

  • mariner7mariner7 Posts: 509
    For the 2nd month in a row, GS sales increased by a lot, but the other Lexus sedans all had double digit increases. Lexus sedan sales barely budged, so many GS conquests were from within Lexus. You know how loyal Lexus customers are!

    Both M and G had solid increases, so their conquests had to come from outside.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,069
    April 2005 Sales (including Audi and noting increase or decrease from prior month)

    5 = 4,571 (increase)
    E = 3,731 (increase)
    STS = 3,541 (decrease)
    GS = 3,198 (decrease)
    M = 2,288 (increase)
    A6 = 1,635 (decrease)
    RL = 1,304 (decrease)

    March 2005 Sales

    5 = 3,949
    E = 3,608
    GS = 3,209
    STS = 2,954
    M = 2,253
    A6 = 1,681
    RL = 1,376
  • cohenfivecohenfive Posts: 86
    "Plus, it may be too sporty for a lot of the 40 and 50 year olds, who are the target buyers in this segment. "

    hey, i resemble that remark!!!! seriously i'm one of the guys in that age range who likes the feel and compromises that a real sports sedan brings. i drive an m5 currently but my wife and i went to see the new m's after they came out and was very impressed on all fronts. if i were in the market for a new car for myself the m45 sport would be at the top of my list. i've owned a bmw 5 series since 97 but just can't see the price premium any more...not with all the useful technology now being deployed by the japanese manufacturers...that being said, there's nothing to compare to the m5, but for me the new one will just be priced out of my range.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Thanks for the new info on the A6. Where did you find it?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,069
    It was published by Audi of America. I just copied it and inserted it.

    I should add that Audi's overall YTD sales are down one half of one percent.

    The A6 sales are up, big time (year over year).

    Apr '04 - '05..........+38.7% (1,179 / 1,635 units)

    YTD '04 / YTD '05..+44.8% (3,998 / 5,789 units)

    I don't think I can post the URL, use dogpile or google. ;)
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Which website?

    BTW, I saw a polished black 2005 A6 sedan today pass by today. Gorgeous.
  • drtraveldrtravel Posts: 395
    Do you know what the breakdown is for GS 300 vs. GS 430 and M35 vs. M45? Just wondering what percent of buyers are opting for the larger engine.

    Are these sales figures available on some web site or do you have to subscribe to some service?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,069
    My Audi dealer has a fully tricked out A6 (BLACK) on their showroom floor -- front and rear spoiler, ground effects, tinted windows, special wheels, tail pipe extentions and fuzzy dice (oops, scratch the dice).

    I run hot and cold on it -- it looks striking at first, then it looks just a teeny weeny bit like a Pontiac Grand Am circa 1997 (plastic plastic everywhere and not a drop to drink?)
  • cheerioboy26cheerioboy26 Posts: 412
    Infiniti doesn't report sales breakouts within the model for the M and FX. Lexus does, however:

    GS300 2,657
    GS430 541
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Wow! It seems that the 5 series is one of the 2 big winners here, up almost 16%. Apparently CR couldn't talk the 5 series down.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Maybe CR isn't as influential in some respects as you believe it is.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,652
    I'm guessing that is mostly outgoing '05 models... No cash incentives, but great lease numbers on those last month.... I'm sure they were blowing them out..


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