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Hybrids in the News

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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 6,058
    This personal stuff stops NOW and we stick to the subject of sharing news items about hybrids. This nonsense is going on in virtually every topic and is getting VERY old. We understand that you disagree with each other. We also understand that no matter how many times you take potshots at each other, the other guy is NOT going to see things your way. So it's time to drop the personal comments and stick to the subjects please.

    Thank you for your cooperation on this.

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  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    "A VW spokesman confirmed that VW is considering a so-called mild hybrid vehicle"

    I guess that explains why Porsche is having hybrid negotiations with VW?
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    This one was news to me - anyone heard of this before?

    http://www.gizmag.com/go/1666/
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    "Ministerial Rovers and Jaguars are being replaced with the Toyota Prius, a "hybrid" car runs on both a petrol and an electric engine ­ the two working in tandem."

    http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=642854
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    The fact that traditional (engine-only) designs are quickly losing favor is the very reason I am back. Those non-constructive arguments of the past will hopefully just be a sour memory now... especially since many of the negative claims about hybrid technology are proving to be false.

    It's an interesting new world, where automakers are facing competition with themselves. Accord, Civic, Escape, Highlander, and RX400 each have both traditional & hybrid configurations changes everything. Someday you'll have the choice of engine size for a vehicle model, perhaps battery size/type too. In the meantime, it's interesting to watch how quiet those with the traditional versions of vehicles are becoming. They know that their days of being in the spotlight are over.

    So naturally, I'm thrilled to hear about a possible hybrid version of Jetta. That's another automaker joining in on the newer technology. The upcoming Altima will be yet another. But the ultimate is the fact that the #1 selling car in the US, the Toyota Camry, will be available as a hybrid in a little bit more than a year from now.

    It's over. Gas is expensive and reducing smog-related emissions is becoming a higher priority.

    In just a few months, some of us (including me) will be celebrating their fifth anniversary of owning a hybrid. It will be increasing more difficult to deny the growing reports of positive long-term ownership experiences. And of course, the ultimate spite is pointing out how rapidly improvements are being made to the hybrid models being offered. It only gets better from here. Ha!

    JOHN
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    How about hybrid news? And news is not only defined as positive. Once you cleanse this site from all negative news, this forum will no longer be about news. It becomes a mere cheerleading site with as much objectivity as a marketing ad!
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    I think this forum is intended to be used for both "hard news" and ALSO for "discussions related to said news." Not merely "here's some news, read this !!" News without comment is just WAY too boring..... :D
  • molokaimolokai Posts: 313
    Agreed. What's the sense about posting news if you can't talk about it!!!
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    "News without comment is just WAY too boring..... "

    ABSOLUTELY AGREE! But this forum appears to have an overwhelming thirst for positive commentary and a thin-skinned intolerance towards any negative comments.

    Bottom Line: The most informative auto forums are skeptically agnostic by nature! All comments that are disagreeable should be challenged with facts and not treated as a personal attack!!!
  • molokaimolokai Posts: 313
    Yes... I wonder who you're referring to? The oil barron from Alaska??
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    No one in particular. But as they say, "if the shoe fits...".
  • xcelxcel Posts: 1,025
    Hi John1701a:

    The fact that traditional (engine-only) designs are quickly losing favor …

    It's interesting to watch how quiet those with the traditional versions of vehicles are becoming …

    They know that their days of being in the spotlight are over …


    You are still and will always be my all-time favorite “Go Team Hybrid - Go Team Hybrid - Ra Ra” ;)

    Would you pay ~ $3,000 less for a car that receives 2.4 mpg less then your Prius II, has far longer range between fill-ups, is larger, has much better performance, is safer, has even lower emissions, and is by far, more luxurious?

    http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage/car/595-pzev-accord.html

    The hybrid powers that be should hope to keep this “news” buried for as long as humanly possible … Or at least until a Euro V/EPA Tier II-Bin3 through 5 spec’ed - US Accord’s w/ an iCDTi arrives here in the states in a few years :D

    Good Luck

    Wayne R. Gerdes
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    First John, now xcel. What is this, Reunion Week on the Edmunds.com hybrid discussions?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Actually, xcel did achieve pretty close mpg to the 160 hp 4-cylinder Accord with the 255 hp V6 HAH, although not over the same course and conditions. Perhaps he will tell us about it.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    The HAH "can do" that too Gary - owners are reporting 40+ MPG highway runs in recent days.

    Break-in done, warmer temps, driver education - seems like SOMEBODY around here predicted this turn of events back in December......who WAS that masked man? ;)
  • xcelxcel Posts: 1,025
    Hi Backy:

    Long time no hear. How is that new Hyundai doing? Do you still think it was a better overall value then the Prius II you were considering at $21K + big ones a year or so ago? I am in the camp that thinks you chose the right path for your situation. On the other side of the coin, the Prius II drivers are sitting on a real nice resale right now.

    Actually, xcel did achieve pretty close mpg to the 160 hp 4-cylinder Accord with the 255 hp V6 HAH, although not over the same course and conditions. Perhaps he will tell us about it.

    Are you speaking about the pic in the Larsb reply - below? I cannot link the details here because the thought police might arrest me. Why don’t you link it for us?

    We had all better get back on topic.

    Good Luck

    Wayne R. Gerdes
  • xcelxcel Posts: 1,025
    Hi Larsb:

    Predicted this turn of events? How about “Just do it” term of events?

    GreenAndBlue’s AH in semi-decent temps and conditions when coming home from a Hybrid Group meet earlier this spring:

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    If only I had another 150 or so more miles … ;)

    Good Luck

    Wayne R. Gerdes
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    who WAS that masked man?

    I remember. Looks like the HAH could get in the 30s overall if it weren't for a few street racers in the field.
  • xcelxcel Posts: 1,025
    Hi Molekai:

    I wonder what a hypermiler would get in the Prius. I don't even have to try and I get close to 50 this time of year in my Prius. Sure beats driving with 50 lbs of pressure in my tires.

    The only world class hypermiler I know that owns a Prius II hit something like 86 mpg over 950 + miles but his average speed was something like 32 - 34 mph IIRC? If one were traveling at a 62.5 mph average, I don’t know but I bet you might achieve the lowly John1701a numbers possibly? When the speeds come up, the FE tanks as do most Toyota’s I have owned and driven :(

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    or when I slowed down a bit with a touch heavier Chicago area - Interstate traffic …

    image

    When we finally see mid-70 degree temps in and around the city of Chicago with little to no traffic, look out. We will see the higher temperatures for sure but little to no traffic? Only on an early Sunday morning after a Cub’s World Series Win ;) The nice thing about it is that an I am sitting in my heated - power - leather seats (for those cold mornings), driving with the sunroof open in the heavier traffic jams on the few nice days we have in this locale, and all the while listening to XM Satellite radio. You just can’t beat that with a stick.

    50 #’s in a non-hybrid Accord’s Michelin’s is more comfortable and better handling at speed then 42 - 44 #’s in a John1701a prepped Prius II, in my experience.

    Good Luck

    Wayne R. Gerdes
  • molokaimolokai Posts: 313
    I'd never be able to achieve such numbers with my driving style and I have no intention of changing. Most Accord owners I know get decent mileage, but nothing close to my Prius. I also have a lot more content than a standard Accord. My favorite feature.... most recently gliding for thirty minutes at the Canadian border. Can't do that in a non hybrid Accord. I also insist on VSC which isn't even offered in an Accord. When they offer it in the HAH, I'll definitely consider it. Mileage is nice, but the HAH power and comfort are worth the tradeoff in mileage.
  • molokaimolokai Posts: 313
    478 mile drive back from Canada. 75-80 on the NYS Thruway and 65 on some secondary roads. Some traffic,, averaged 48.1. Not bad! Can you do that in your Accord? If so, I wonder what the trick is? Seriously!
  • xcelxcel Posts: 1,025
    Hi Molekai:

    I'd never be able to achieve such numbers with my driving style and I have no intention of changing.

    I am actually sorry to hear this for the sake of all hybrid and non-hybrid owners alike :(

    I also have a lot more content than a standard Accord.

    Not a PZEV based - EX-L w/ Auto and NAVI at $23,200 you don’t.

    I also insist on VSC which isn't even offered in an Accord.

    I actually insisted on one of the best all-around automobile crash ratings which is not in the cards for the Prius II unfortunately :(

    Mileage is nice, but the HAH power and comfort are worth the tradeoff in mileage.

    Are you defending the AH? I like it too. Comfort wise, the AH and the EX-L are twins. Plus or minus a few items. Performance wise, the AH is a smoking hoot! I hope you get the opportunity to drive an AH sometime as they are like an HCH, and both an I4 and V6 Accord all rolled up into one!

    478 mile drive back from Canada. 75-80 on the NYS Thruway and 65 on some secondary roads. Some traffic,, averaged 48.1. Not bad! Can you do that in your Accord? If so, I wonder what the trick is? Seriously!

    And your average speed was what? If you say it was 70 - 75 mph, I can’t wait for you to take a pic of your garage with the Prius II run through the back of it and sitting in your neighbor’s swimming pool ;)

    Good Luck

    Wayne R. Gerdes
  • molokaimolokai Posts: 313
    I do like the HAH but I want hatch versatility and skid control. I also want bluetooth and smart key. Once the HAH has this, I'm getting one. Was also considering the GS hybrid, but it may be too pricey. As far as crash worthiness is concerned, the Prius has proven itself in many crash tests. I look at the European test in particular as they are more stringent than the American tests. Haven't seen anything from the IIHS yet, but that is also a good benchmark to use. Would consider the RH, but they're not discounting them yet. The RH is a very safe vehicle. Much more so than an Accord.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,158
    listening to XM Satellite radio

    Don't you feel a bit guilty driving around in all that luxury? You didn't disappoint me with that mileage. I can only envy that kind of skill. Have fun in your new car... Gary
  • xcelxcel Posts: 1,025
    Hi Molokai:

    I chose the safer and larger Accord vs. the Prius II myself. As for amenities, BT and SS did not mean as much to me as powered - heated - leather seats, tilt-telescopic steering - powered sunroof, dual-auto-climate, best NAVI in the automobile business, and the 120 W AM/FM/6-CD in dash changer w/ XM Satellite. The fact that it is larger, has higher performance, includes more luxury based amenities, has even lower emissions, and is a less expensive automobile just made that much more sense to me is all?

    In terms of the RXh, the RX330’s safety ratings were just a tad behind that of our MDX and it was a much smaller automobile. I haven’t seen the crash ratings on the RXh yet but am looking forward to the full gamut as soon as they are available. Especially given the knee air-bags as that is a neat safety feature.

    Gagrice, you have been driving around in an LS for over 15 years, right? I believe I had just sold my Chevrolet Chevette a short period before that LOL! Talk about the lap of luxury ;)

    Good Luck

    Wayne R. Gerdes
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 6,058
    Nobody said you can't discuss the news, but this CONSTANTLY turns back to the same people making comments about each other and trying to get under each other's skin. THAT's what has to stop. The topic also is NOT about mileages you're getting and the performance of your vehicles. There are other topics on the board for that. Please use them.

    I'm TRYING to give you guys a chance to control yourselves, but it seems that you can't. Let's put a little effort into it and not rise to the bair once in a while OK?

    I'm going back over the latest stretch of posts and taking down all the off topic personal stuff. Please don't continue this behavior!

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  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    If your NAV is the same as the one in my friend's new RL, then it truly is the best in the business. I believe the Prius has a 5 star safey rating for the driver. The Honda's are nice but their braking has little to be desired. I was looking at the new TL and it stopped from 60 in 140 feet. I hope the Accord is a little better than that.
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