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Honda Insight

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  • Does anyone know if Honda is intending to redesign the Insight, or come out with an all new hybrid-specific model? IMO, Honda needs to do this in order to compete with Toyota in the hybrid market. The current Insight (if you can even get one) has 6+ year-old technology and needs a facelift. The new Civic Hybrid makes no economic sense to me when compared to the Civic LX (only 11 mpg better in highway mileage). The Prius on the other hand is a good car, but too big for my needs.

    What would make sense is an all new Insight capable of EPA mileage of at least 75 to 80 mpg. It would be the perfect commuter car. Are you listening Honda??? :confuse:
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    quote civicex05-"The new Civic Hybrid makes no economic sense to me when compared to the Civic LX (only 11 mpg better in highway mileage)."-end quote

    Well, the HCH is more comparable to the auto tranny EX, considering the creature comforts, and that puts the 2006 HCH at 15 MPG better than the EX, which means you can recover the so-called 'hybrid premium" in 5-6 years.

    But yes, a 75-80 MPG Insight would be nice. I have neither heard nor read anything about any new model redesign plans for the Insight, alas.
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Both 2006 Civic LX and EX autos get 40MPG on the highway. Still an 11 mpg difference either way. Most likely the real world mileage will be even less of a difference. Hard to justify by cost alone - especially if the regular civics are at invoice or so by the time the new HCH hits the streets at MSRP or above.
  • Well, the HCH is more comparable to the auto tranny EX, considering the creature comforts, and that puts the 2006 HCH at 15 MPG better than the EX, which means you can recover the so-called 'hybrid premium" in 5-6 years.

    The Civic EX and LX with automatic have an EPA highway estimate of 40 mpg. The HCH only gets 51 mpg highway, which is an 11 mpg difference. I compared the highway mpg numbers because the majority of my commute is freeway miles. I purchased a 2005 Civic EX earlier this year and have been extremely pleased with it, especially considering that I have been averaging about 39.5 mpg on the freeway. I would love to eventually replace my wife's Camry with a car capable of 80 mpg. I would hope something like that will be available in a few years.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    You are correct on the 40 versus 51 mpg numbers, BUT:

    Unless you LIVE beside the freeway and your workplace is one exit off the freeway, you will have a MIX of driving styles every tank. I'd bet with an HCH you'd probably get 52-55 MPG, and with education and effort could probably pull a little higher number. Water under the bridge, however......:D

    The first 75-80 MPG 5-passenger sedan will likely be a diesel/electric hybrid, and will hit the streets probably by 2012-2014 is my guess. I will buy that car in a heartbeat !!!
  • The current Insight only has a 1 liter 3 cylinder engine and weighs 1800. It is about as close to the limit on weight as you can get the 5-speed is rated at 60/66.

    It has some features that are nices : remote lock, power windows, power mirrors, rear defost, ABS, auto climate. These could be removed to save weight , but then it is already very light now with stressed Aluminum.

    The power is around the Prius range ( 10.5- 11.3) for 0-60 mph. If you gat any slower than that then you limit the usablity significantly on highways.

    About the only way you could get the 75-80 mpg you are looking for would be a lightweight hybrid diesel similar to the Insight. Honda's older HF CRX approached 50 mpg hifhghway with a 1.5 engine.

    I don't see the insight changing much. It is alredy a very low volume niche car, mainly to display Honda's technoogy and keep the claims of first US hybrid and highest mpg car.

    YMMV,

    MidCow

    Seriously thinking about ordering a 5-speed Insight w/AC for a commuter car. 90days to order, $500 off MSRP, still a little expensive at $20,580
  • I've made some visual modifications to my Insight like tinted windows, sunroof, and stripes along the sides. I've tried to no avail to get rims for it. Is there any other modifications that I can make that would be visually enhancing.
  • There was one guy that was selling a lime green Insight with updated rims. I believe they were Korgi. They looked awesome. If you search the Edmunds forumms you can probalby find the rims. The sale was on eBay about a year ago.
  • merigayle - have you tried trader.com or trader.ca sites?
    I was lead to them by a post in insightcentral, as I was looking to see if I even fit - as I am 6'3" Tall, ~220 Lbs!
    Found one so far - awfull day for a test drive around the block - but I fit just fine!
  • Hi I have a 2000 insight I am 6'1" and I really like my insight. It is fun.
  • davem7davem7 Posts: 35
    Does anyone have familiarity with either an '05 or '06 Insight with respect to the Auto Stop function?

    Having owned a '05 HCH and currently an '06 Honda Civic Hybrid I noticed a major improvement in the auto stop on the '06, it engages at a lower speed and can be usually be reengaged without resuming the pevious speed when crawling in traffic, also with the '06 the auto stop functions much of the time with the heater or fan running whereas the '05 did neither.

    I'm curious as to Insight owners' experience with the auto stop.
  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,810
    Which of the following best describes why you own a hybrid?

    a) to make a statement

    b) for the tax credit and other perks

    c) because they’re environmentally friendly

    d) to save money at the pump

    e) to be the first to own new technology

    Please submit a few sentences to support your response no later than Friday, January 27, 2006. Be sure to include your Forums username. Thanks! (wclarke@edmunds.com)

    PFFlyer@Edmunds

    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

  • rcc442rcc442 Posts: 56
    I feel the same way... would really like to sit in the car and test drive it before placing a deposit. I can't believe the delaers don't stock ANY! Keep at least ONE in stock, guys! What do you have to lose?? With gas prices climbing again, someone will buy it!

    (Of course, then there remains the problem of the ugly interior color, which I would also need to see in person to see if I could live with. You'd think they could have at least produced two interior colors (grey? black?) during a 7-year run!)

    For example, I'd like to see first-hand just how much storage space there is behind the seats (the images on the website don't show it well). I'd like to know if the seats recline at all (from the images, there doesn't appear to be room to recline at all).

    Seems to me they are not really interested in selling this car...
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,694
    Seems to me they are not really interested in selling this car

    Bingo!
    It is a big money loser for Honda. The only reason they keep it is to maintain the highest mileage vehicle on the EPA list. I have not seen one on a dealers lot here in San Diego for several years. Honda is not pushing the hybrids very hard. I am surprised they are supplying so many Civic hybrids. No 2006 Accord hybrids as of yet.
  • they still make the insight. go to link title yo can order one and everything. sadly it no longer is offered in neon green like it was 3 years ago.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    :cry:

    Will the hybrid FIT replace the insight ? Who knows?
  • rbojackrbojack Posts: 3
    I have both an Insight and a Civic Hybrid. Both are great cars. The Insight has great head turning styling and gets better MPG. Try Anderson Honda in Palo Alto, CA. Contact Robert Camp for "internet sales" at great price at www.andersondirect.com. They are a high volume dealer and Mr. Camp will treat you right.
  • Karen@EdmundsKaren@Edmunds Posts: 5,023
    A national finance magazine is looking to interview current hybrid owners who purchased a hybrid within the past year or two. The reporter is wanting to know if you have been satisfied or not with the gas savings you’ve been receiving. Please send an e-mail to ctalati@edmunds.com no later than Saturday, June 10, 2006 by 5:00 PM PT/8:00 PM ET containing your daytime contact information and the make and model of your hybrid vehicle.

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    A national finance magazine is looking to interview consumers who are looking to purchase a hybrid vehicle and are looking at it from a financial standpoint, hoping to save money from the high cost of fuel. Please send an e-mail to ctalati@edmunds.com no later than Saturday, June 10, 2006 by 5:00 PM PT/8:00 PM ET containing your daytime contact information and the hybrid vehicle you are considering.

    Thanks,
    Chintan Talati
    Corporate Communications
    Edmunds.com

    Karen-Edmunds Community Manager

  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    rbojack,

    andersondirect does not have any Insights and can not get any LOL!
  • slanislani Posts: 5
    Well, but I do have mint 2002. Insight on sale...
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