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Honda Accord Diesel????

gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,991
edited August 17 in Honda
Here is the link on the Honda Accord Diesel tests. I see it broke many records for speed and economy. I'm holding off on the VW Passat TDI for now. see link: http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=234399
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  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    But I doubt this engine will make it here in the USA/Canada anytime soon. It is supposed to be offered in European CRV soon, but IMO, it would make sense here in the USA as well (in CRV and Element).
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    The cars we don't have in North America section?
    Toyota Corolla Diesel
    Toyota Tacoma Diesel
    Mini Diesel
    Ranger Diesel
    Honda Civic Diesel
    Jaguar Diesel
    Isuzu Diesels
    and etc., etc...

    Just add the Honda Accord to the list.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    will be in the US in about a year.

    After that, many manufacturers should start offering diesels. Trucks, mini-vans, and SUVs will probably go almost all diesel in short order.

    Isuzu Diesel is now GM-Isuzu. GM took full control over Isuzu's small diesel works last year.
  • avenger1avenger1 Posts: 90
    Not until 2006 for cars, 2007 for heavy vehicles/boats/etc.

    Expect to see the oil industry to rib Bush/Cheney for an "extension" (wink wink). That will work well with the tax writeoff for gas guzzling SUV purchases.

    I'd love to drive any of the new diesel offerings comming out around the world (heck, there's even a diesel passat in some states!), but I have a feeling I'll end up going with a hybrid accord.

    GregC
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,452
    I think in a few years (once the rules and fuel are straightened out), deisels will make a big inroad in the US, especially if gas prices stay high. If anything, it will help the US manufacturers, since they can keep selling high profit SUVs and trucks.

    Some of the new wave of Euro deisels sound real neat. Good performance (and power where it is usable), with excellent economy. What's not to love?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • ratbert1ratbert1 Posts: 72
    The problem with diesel in the US is that it has to overcome a bad image. People generally see diesels as clanky sounding with smelly, black exhaust that have fuel gelling problems as soon as there's snow on the ground. I'm sure most of here us know that's not true anymore, but ask Joe Sixpack and Eddie Punchclock and that's the impression from the masses.

    Right now I have a subaru, but my next car will be diesel (as long as enviro-NYS allows them to be sold).
  • telemarkertelemarker Posts: 7
    Name three other cars in the 2.0 to 2.5L class against which it competed??? Passat is offically <2.0L as it would put it in a different tax bracket in Germany.
  • gatrhumpygatrhumpy Posts: 126
    That car that was driven was an Acura TSX, not a Honda Accord. I understand that in Europe the TSX is a Honda Accord, but the cars are somewhat different when it comes to the body and engine.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    When does the new, cleaner diesel fuel come to the US? I know 2006, but will it all change on January 1 2006? It should have to start sooner than that since 2006 models will start coming out in 2005.

    Have any vehicles been announced as becoming available in all 50 states by 2006 models?
    I would think some European models that have already been in production will start to be imported to the US and some US manufacturers will come out with new models, but what?
  • mike91326mike91326 SoCalPosts: 245
    I understand that ULSD must be sold no later than 7/01/06. My local Ford dealer told me that Ford wants to offer a diesel Focus for 2007 if they can sell it in all 50 states.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Program cancelled.
  • coil99coil99 Posts: 11
    I'd be interested in a diesel Accord. I would take a look if/when they make it here.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,444
    I would love that diesel Accord/TSX especially in a wagon.
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    The CARB in California (per Wall Street several months ago now) embraces the "common rail" technology.
    The technology is in place and 18 wheelers (from Ham radio contacts) the new fuel is required now and the several I've talked have the new diesels.
     
    GM's Duramax smells and sounds like one of their gas V-8's personal experience and from many friends. Not sure why GM & Ford aren't offering more in those oversized/misused SUV's?
    Could it be they haven't figured out how to convince the ladies using self-serve pump that diesel doesn't smell?

    I still say GM should correct it's late 70's diesel gas-engines nightmare, they caused one bad impression. New marketing campaign.
    Personally I like the idea of 2.7 v-6 common rail diesel 206 hp 360 ft.lbs. torque @1800 rpm and 47.8 mpg at steady state interstate speed. Over 43 mpg at least the Ford of Europe's offering in the Jag.
    Actually that's way more than enough.
    The 2.8L MB v-6 (164 hp & 324 ft. lbs. @ 1900)in the "Sprinter" (tall) delivery van Fed-EX is now using is averaging 20-25 mpg. Direct from a manager of a HUB.
    Paul
    N8BUU
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    http://www.abiresearch.com/abiprdisplay2.jsp?pressid=273
     Will emission control laws hamstring the diesel light vehicle market? asks ABI Research
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,991
    In CA they definitely have. If the law was consistent it would be better accepted. It makes no sense to allow someone to drive a large PU that has an EPA emissions rating of 2. And disallow a smaller vehicle with a rating of 4 with very low green house gas emission.
    I thought this statement in the article you posted was appropriate.

    "The results of the study lead ABI Research, in its new report, "Diesel Light Vehicles", to suggest that OEMs should aim their diesel products at non-urban markets, where users would most likely get better economy with a diesel than with a hybrid".
  • chrisducatichrisducati Posts: 394
    Someone made note of Joe six-pack, He is my congressman right? I think he needs to drive one of these diesel cars. I would buy an Accord in a heart beat if it had a good diesel in it. with gas prices over $2.20 I'm crying for 45mpg...damn I'm crying for 55mpg! Better yet combine hybrid tech with these great diesels and get close to 70 mpg. Right now Joe is buying a huge SUV that gets 12 mpg.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,991
    Remember Arnold said he has no intention of getting rid of his 4 or 5 Hummers. At least he is honest about it unlike many of the Hollywood greenies. We need to get the inconsistency out of the CARB rules.
  • kcflyerkcflyer Posts: 78
    A recent car and driver article on diesels was very informative on the liklehood of future diesels in the U.S. Despite the coming low sulpher fuels the NOx emissions standards of California are due to go nationwide by decades end. So unless a combination of intercooler and cat. converter technology arrives at a market friendly price we may lose the few diesel options we currently have.
  • ratbert1ratbert1 Posts: 72
    Diesels will be able to meet upcoming requirements. It would be really great if Honda brought their Accord diesel over here. I'm not so sure they will - they already have 2 hybrids.
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 854
    ..technology.

    It (my 22-year old pickup) can't last forever. Hopefully VW will have the positive market research (Joe SixPack - love that expression - nonwithstanding) to replicate/update the 1980-1983 Rabbit Diesel Pickup.

    With 285k on the odo - still 55 HWP MPG capable (at about 60 enr Brookings, OR.......

    best, ez
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,991
    Amen,
    I keep my eyes open for a VW diesel PU. They are still the only decent Mileage small PU ever sold in this country. Virtually every country in the world sells small diesel PU's, except US. Pretty pathetic when 25 year old technology gets better mileage than any PU that is available new. Tells me the government & automakers are not interested in oil conservation.
  • Honda introduced it to EU because half the cars sold there are diesels (they already have ULSD and they know better than to waste their time with hybrids). But it seems to me that in the US, Honda and Toyota are very CA-market driven, so probably waiting for CARB to get the clue (once ULSD is here?).
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    One of the auto tv programs said Honda will bring over an Accord diesel as soon as they can meet CA emissions. They think they will be able to do it when the new low sulfur fuel becomes mandated in the US in 2006.
    So, it will probably be the redesigned 2007 Accord that gets it.
  • Motorweek had it on on monday. They have to get the Nitrogen oxide levels from .28 in the European version to .07 to sell it in the United states. If you had some good cats and some other features it could be affordable and clean. It shouldn't be much more than a regular V6 Accord. My autos teacher said they will have a prototype within the week.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    It may be this body style after all. I forgot the redesigned Accord will be a 2008 model. Three more years of the basic body style with two years of the slightly updated 2006-2007 models.
    40+ MPG with lots of around town torque without the hybrid complexity and cost will be nice in an Accord-sized vehicle.
  • http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=100714

    No "immediate" plans to intro diesel to US but it sure sounds like Honda is hard at work on the engineering to meet reg.s. Accord (possible), Accord wagon (pipe dream), CR-V (very possible), and/or Civic five door (doubtful but Mazda 3, A3, Golf) would all add to my confusion as to what to purchase next. Note to self: Must be patient a little while (2 yrs?) longer.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,991
    If Honda brings the Accord Tourer i-CTDi diesel to America, Look out !!

    'In our efforts to extend the Force's use of diesel vehicles, to aid both the environment and our fuel budget, our ongoing partnership with Honda and the new diesel accord enables us to achieve all these aims in one vehicle. The performance and reliability of Honda in front line operations have proven to be very successful and I have no doubt that the Accord's new diesel engine will continue that success'.

    http://www.wiltshire.police.uk/news/newsview.asp?id=501
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,991
    I'm not sure what audience Honda is targeting. It is a different concept in Automobile advertising. Must appeal to a British audience.

    http://www.honda.co.uk/
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Volvo had a very similar ad for the V50 on their web site.
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