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Honda Accord Diesel????



  • quipsquips Posts: 9
    Honda's loss will be Subaru's gain since they will have an Outback with the diesel option.

    I'll investigate the Subaru for my next vehicle. :P
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    I'll investigate the Subaru for my next vehicle.

    Don't hold your breath. I have wanted a small diesel PU truck since 1998. So far no company has brought one to the USA. VW is the only company that has been able to pass all the emissions to sell in all 50 states with a mid priced vehicle. Mercedes and BMW have passed the tests and will offer several pricey diesel rigs this year in all the states.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Right now Subaru's diesel is only at the 43-state emissions compliance level, and apparently they are holding off spending the money to bring it to a 50-state standard.

    So your predictions will probably prove to be uncannily accurate gagrice - all the much-vaunted and well-advertised forays into diesel by the Japanese companies will come to naught, at least before 2010. And that's too bad. :-(

    Word on the TSX is that they will now put a V-6 in instead of the diesel that failed certification with the automatic. You know, the manual passed - wouldn't it be cool if they sold TSX and Accord diesel manuals while they improved the emissions of the automatics?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Word on the TSX is that they will now put a V-6

    I just read that. Does Honda think because gas prices are back down that we want another gas guzzling V6? I realize that is the only way they can get the torque of a 4 cylinder diesel. Maybe they should try a little harder instead of making excuses. Oh well I would not have been interested in anything smaller than a Pilot diesel anyway.
  • I wonder why Honda used the 5AT instead of the 6AT? They could play with the gear ratios to get the same ranges as the 6MT. How far off was the 5AT version? One wonders why they would send a car for certification that wouldn't pass. When a car fails certification, do they get additional attempts or do they have to wait for next year?
  • I read the Left Lane news article and Honda was using the 6AT for the certification. Too bad they couldn't meet the standards.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    One wonders why they would send a car for certification that wouldn't pass. When a car fails certification

    I wondered the same thing. They have all the test criteria. In fact they may have even done the testing. It is all pretty hushed up by Honda. I think it could be the exchange rate or any number of excuses.
  • My question now is what is Honda going to put in the "Camry and Altima" market segment? Their last attempt at a hybrid didn't pay attention to why people buy hybrid cars i.e. high mileage... .

    OTOH, I don't understand how their 2.4L engine only gets 1-2 better MPG than the six which is a liter larger in displacement, but I'm getting off topic...
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    In the real world, most people are seeing much more than 1-2 mpg difference between 4 and 6 if they do much city driving. On the highway, it may not be much difference.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,406
    Consumer Reports got the i4 at 3 mpg better than the v6 overall. The diff is greater in the city.
  • Seeing as the 4 cyl is giving up aboutt a liter of displacement to the 6 cyl engine, I'm not sure why you wouldn't see a greater difference. Could this be weight related i.e. you have to expend x number of horsepower to push y number of pounds and the 4 works pretty hard to do that while the 6 does not?
  • Anyone know how "dead" this project is? Is Honda going to develop further and bring this out in 2010+ or did Honda completely pull the plug on the diesel?
  • Yeah, is there any update on this vehicle ? Or is it a 2010 thing?
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,406
    If I recall correctly this is dead. It seems the automatic diesel did not pass 50 state emmissions so they pulled the plug. The stick shift did, but they won't bother for such small numbers. Too bad - I would have snagged a stick with the diesel.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Dead as a door nail. Honda says it flunked the U.S. emissions test. However, they have redone the engine to make 170 hp and 280 ft. lbs. of torque. Maybe Honda will try it again,
  • quipsquips Posts: 9
    Consumer Guide Automotive said that 2010 Honda CRV may have a 2.2 liter diesel.

    Vehicle Highlights
    The 2010 Honda CR-V may receive a diesel engine. This five-passenger compact SUV should continue to be available with front-wheel drive or all-wheel drive. Trim levels should include LX, EX, and top-line EX-L with leather upholstery. All should have a 166-hp 2.4-liter 4-cylinder engine and a 5-speed automatic transmission. A new 2.2-liter diesel 4-cylinder would make 138 hp. Maximum towing capacity should be 1500 lb with the gasoline engine. Available safety features should include ABS, traction control, antiskid system, curtain side airbags, and front side airbags. A power driver seat and dual-zone automatic climate control should be standard on EX-L. A navigation system would also likely remain available on EX-L. Versions so equipped will be priced as separate models. This report is based on evaluations of the 2009 Honda CR-V.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    That's old news. Honda put the diesel on hold. The new news is that the 2.2 now make 30 more horsepower and 20 more ft. pounds of torque. The newest news,is that Honda put the diesel on hold for business reasons: Not becuase it could not comply w/EPA as Honda originally stated. Which means: We may see a better Honda diesel in the distant future,
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    That future is truly distant, very distant.....

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • The 2.2 TDi engine had so much potential I was hoping that Honda might go back and re-engineer the emissions. It I may turn on the "Way Back" machine, I remember Honda using the stratified charge CVCC engines without catalytic converters but then was forced to go add them when the emissions laws made it impossible for them to pass without them. I wonder if this is a similar situation, instead this time needing to incorporate other technologies such as urea injection (I wonder if their 2 step cataytic converter system, while cool technology, just couldn't get things clean enough. OTOH, I'm sure I'm greatly oversimplifying this whole thing.

    IMHO, we are seeing the effect of electing Mr. Obama -- they handed emissions controls to the states so instead of having one really good standard to run to, we can now have 50 different standards for the automakers to conform to. Just the thing automakers on the edge of bankrupcy need...
  • So what is Honda going to do for a high mileage option for the Accord line? Might they go for a new hybrid drivetrain with a smaller 4 and electric assist?
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