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2007 Hyundai Elantra

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  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Do people pay MSRP for Camrys, Civics, Accords, and Corollas?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    Disagreement is great and expected, but there's no need to refer to people who disagree with you as "stupid". I don't think you'd get away with that kind of behavior in a high-school debate, and you'll find it doesn't go over well in this public, moderated forum either.

    Re engines for the next Elantra, here's another possibility that I think is likely: base engine, the all-new 2.0L I4 with hp in upper 140s (tops or matches everything else in the class for a base engine), with 4-speed SHIFTRONIC or 5-speed stick. Fuel economy in upper 30s highway, near 30 city. Upgrade for GT, 2.4L I4 with 162 hp, or maybe tuned/turbocharged for higher output, with 4 or maybe 5-speed SHIFTRONIC or 6-speed stick. Fuel economy a 1-2 ticks more (in 162 hp trim) than the Sonata because it's in a lighter car.
  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    Bamacar, You are completely correct.

    -Jaz
  • gogophers1gogophers1 Posts: 218
    I can't see Hyundai going to the expense of adapting the 2.4 to fit in the new Elantra's engine bay if the 2.0 cranks out close to 150 ponies. Not to mention, after taking a spin in the 06 Sonata 2.4, I cannot imagine how much extra engineering it would take to make that thing work in the Elantra: too much torque, too big (that tight squeeze in the bay could jeopardize the crashworthiness), too heavy (hurting handling and driving dynamics - not what you want in the "sport" model) and then you've got the issue of needing an additional manual transmission for the line and perhaps another automatic as well (I don't think they'd use the same slushbox in the 2.4 as they will for the 2.0). The new Elantra is going to be another world car (unlike the new Sonata which is clearly designed for the American market) and the odds of a compact Hyundai with a midsizer engine selling well anywhere but here (and maybe not even here) aren't worth the added production costs. It would be fun though - perhaps a bit too fun. The word "rocketship" comes to mind...

    If the new 2.0 does put out 150hp, that should be plenty - even for the GT. I'm guessing there'll be one engine, and two tranny choices in the new model just as in the current one. More than likely, the GT will be more of a handling package than a speed package with a few froo-froo doodads and whatzits thrown in to appeal to the under 20 crowd (again, same as now). Think larger wheels, quicker steering, rear discs, rock 'em sock 'em flashy purple dash lighting, etc.

    Edmunds still lists this thing as due out in fall 2005. But it's MIA on the Hyundai website and I've read NOTHING about it in any of my auto mags. Any thoughts?

    What I'd really love to see personally is a wagon version of the new Elantra. My ideal Elantra would be a wagon (I'm not a hatch guy) with a high mileage 5spd manual, a sunroof, cloth seats and a kayak rack. What can I say? I'm a dreamer.
  • nismokidnismokid Posts: 7
    I definately can see the Elantra getting the new 2.0l and 2.4l 4cyl... most car companies are offering 2 engines in their new compact models.

    Mazda3 2.0l(148hp), 2.3l(160hp)
    Nissan Sentra 1.8l(126hp), 2.5l(165-175hp)
    Ford Focus 2.0l(136hp), 2.3l(153hp)
    Mitsu Lancer 2.0l(120hp), 2.4l(160hp)... the next gen will probably share engines with elantra since they worked together with DCX to make the new 4cyl.s

    and so on...
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I think your fuel economy targets may be a bit optimistic, in light of the recent ratings that Kia has posted for the 1.6L 110 horse engine used in the Rio and Accent.

    ~alpha
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    gogophers,

    I agree completely on the type of Elantra. Manual transmission wagon that gets great gas mileage. No sunroof on mine though.

    BTW - go hokies.
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    What "new" 2.0L engine are you guys talking about? i haven't heard about a new 2.0L. The 2.4L engine is not that much larger than the 2.0L, if you are going by the looks of them, the engines are both covered by plastic and you cannot accurately judge how it would fit inside another car. Also, you are guessing that the next Elantra will have the same size engine bay as the current one, which it will probably not. Additionally, I do not understand comments from gogogophers about needing additional transmissions. If they sourced the powertrain from another car, how would that requisite needing different parts?

    I have access to Kia's journalist resources, and they put their EPA mileage ratings for the new Rio as 32/35 with a manual and 29/38 with an automatic...not bad at all considering that these cars are close in size and weight to the Toyota Corolla CE, which gets comparable mileage. This leads me to believe that if the Sonata's 2.4L was in the Elantra, it would definitely get better than the 26/33 the Sonata gets, but shy of the 29/38 of the Rio/Accent duo. The Sonata gets good mileage compared to the current Elantra, and we can be assured that it will get a combined rating of 30 or higher, which is excellent considering that this is NOT a compact car. The current Elantra is a midsize car, and the next will in all likelihood be substantially larger, thus in many ways, we cannot compare the mileage ratings to the likes of Civic or Corolla, and are more in line with the Mazda 6, Ford Fusion, and Chevrolet Malibu in terms of size. It will get good mileage.

    Also, I don't think that they will offer a wagon variant. The Kia Spectra5 (Spec5) is a wagon, and they have shown they don't want Kia and Hyundai to be the same cars in different guises. The hatchback is refreshing for most people, and Americans still aren't over the stigma of wagons. Also, if this is a world car, which it will be, Europeans like hatchbacks. More style than a sedan or a wagon with cargo somewhere in between.
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    First the RIO numbers have been on Edmunds here before and all the 2006 specs can be seen at the www.kiario.com public website. The manual numbers are clearly disappointing especially on the highway with 35/32 versus 41/32 for the Corolla.

    The Rio is 12 inches shorter, weighs 170 lbs less, has 20 less horsepower yet gets 6 less mpg on the highway. It should get 38 at a bare minimum and should get 40-43+ if compared on par with the Corolla. The new Elantra should be getting at least the Rio's numbers, but I seriously doubt that it will if the Rio/Accent is any indication.

    Another comparison:
    The RIO manual only gets one more mpg on the highway than the new Sonata despite the fact it is 23 inches shorter, 4.5 inches narrower, about 900 pounds lighter, and it has 50 less horsepower.
  • gogophers1gogophers1 Posts: 218
    Europeans do like hatchbacks - almost as much as they like wagons. Hatchback popularity in Europe is more a function of economy and size rather than aesthetics.

    That hatches have "more style" than sedans or wagons is your subjective opinion. I am one of many Americans who find most hatches utterly repellent. With the notable exceptions of the Golf and Mini Cooper, I can't recall a hatch design I've found appealing (e.g., Pinto, Gremlin, Spirit, Pacer, Escort, Rabbit and more recently, BMW 318, Spectra5 and the Mazda 3).

    I've seen many sharp wagons - from the old mid-80's Audi 5000s to the more recent BMW Tourings, Mercedes C and E Classes, Audi Avants, Mitsubishi Diamante (early '90s), Volvo V40/V50/850, Mazda 6 and Subaru Legacy/Outback. Even the Suzuki Forenza wagon looks pretty sharp to me. Personally, I don't like the proportions of hatch styles (tall and short) much like I don't like the proportions of SUVs. And their reduced utility v. wagons doesn't strike me as any great bargain either.

    So, to each his own. As we used to say back in college, beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    The new 2.0L engine has come up in past discussions (can't recall if it was an Elantra discusson or a generic Hyundai one.) I don't have good connectivity or much time right now so I can't look it up. But if you search for info on the new line of Hyundai engines (shared with DC and Mitsu) you will find details on the displacement of those engines. There was a 2.0L in the mix.

    Per earlier remarks re mpg, if a Sonata 5-speed can get 34 mpg on the highway with the 2.4L engine, I think an Elantra with the same powertrain can do better. And it does make sense for Hyundai to offer it due to competitive pressures, and because the new Elantra is expected to be larger than the current car, so there won't be a problem fitting a little bit larger I4 into the engine bay. And we don't know the fuel economy of the new 2.0L but it should be better than the 2.4L. Consider also that the Rio/Accent engine is an old engine with VVT added--it's not one of the all-new engines.
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    Gas mileage is so important nowadays. I almost bought a 2005 Tucson GLS 4x4, but I couldn't get past the sticker shock....and it wasn't over the price.

    One friend of mine had a current Elantra GT and that car got 30 miles per gallon all of the time, but it was a manual. Another of mine has an Elantra GLS and that car gets 23 miles per gallon with the automatic. I want this next Elantra to get decent mileage...My Civic VP I have as a "company car" (ha) gets nowhere close to 30 with all the abuse it gets. 33 is the norm, but 40 isn't too far off at times. We know Hyundai has the technology. If the new Elantra doesn't get too much better gas mileage than the Sonata, the larger car will be the one I buy.

    Hyundai should consider bringing a diesel version of the Elantra stateside. It will be available in Europe, so why not here? On Edmunds Inside Line it said that the Jeep Liberty CRDi is the second-hottest-selling vehicle in the DCX equation. Even if people didn't buy it, maybe it would get more people to come in to look at Hyundais.

    I can't wait to drive a car with an actual gas mileage fuel calculator built into the car. I hope it has an outside temperature gauge...does the new Sonata? Homelink and autochromatic would be nice on the higher-end models.

    Also, I'd like to get some conversation for what we're expecting on the base model (it would be harder to guess for higher end models)... I'm thinking all of the same options as before, add cruise control, XM, side curtains, ABS w/ EBD, TCS, and ESP. Does anyone think anything else will also be added?

    In regards to ~Backy~, this:
    http://www.americancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2041217.006/chrysler/1.html
    :says that we can expect a 5% increase in mileage on the engines that the GEMA engines replace...but I'm not sure if it is talking about the 2.4 only or all the GEMA engines.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    I think ESP (is that the same thing as electronic stability control?) is iffy for the base Elantra but I'd love to see it there. Other base features I expect to see are active front headrests, SHIFTRONIC on the automatic models, and CD/MP3. And I sure hope Hyundai retains the folding mirrors on the next Elantra; I think they made a big mistake not putting them on the '06 Sonata.

    As for the DC article on the GEMA engines... Hyundai has already demonstrated a 10+ percent mpg improvement with the 2.4L engine on the Sonata, compared to the old 2.4L engine. So I'm optimistic that there will be more than a 5% mpg improvement with the new 2.0L engine.
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    ESP is Electronic Stability Program. It is called that because it isn't necessarily a hardware piece that calling it "ESC" would lead you to believe. It is a software program that the car's different computers run. Also, it is kind of a run into the idea of extra-sensory perception, which ESP kind of is. I am fairly confident that it will have it, as I've read many places that the next Civic will have it.

    I also expect active headrests, tiptronic, and MP3. I also agree with the folding mirrors take. When you have to park so close to other cars that you can't get to the sidewalk unless you fold your mirror in, it would suck to not be able to do so.

    5% of 24/32 for the automatic models is a pitiful upgrade in economy. 1.2 miles per gallon city and 1.6 miles per gallon highway would steer me away from buying this "economy" Hyundai. The current car has horrendous gas mileage from my experiences. I've been driving a 2004 Hyundai Elantra GLS with 5000 miles on it for about a month now, and I know that this car was babied because it was owned by Hyundai Corporate out of Fountain Valley, California before I got it (it's not mine, but a friend's who is out of the country and wants me to break it in for their return). It may be that it is a heavy model, as it is a GLS with steel rims, a sunroof with wind-deflector (which may reduce mileage), and an automatic, but it gets horrible mileage. When I first took it it got somewhere around 30 in mixed driving. Now it is getting 22 to 25 maximum. I can't live with a car with this poor of fuel economy. Where I live the nearest gas station charges $2.45 per gallon on a regular basis, and to drive this small of a car with even the 5% upgrade in mileage is pitiful. i may as well buy the new Civic if this 5% upgrade is the case, because the Civic is supposed to get notably better fuel economy than the current one when it comes out...and the current one does well.

    Back in the day when I worked at good ol' JC Penney, I never understood why people would sign up for a credit card just to get (ONLY) 10% off for one day. Ten percent is nothing! I need at least 15% bare minimum on this car. If it has the Sonata's 2.4L, it should get at least 15% better mileage at 28 city and 37ish on the highway...it is so much smaller and will probably weigh significantly less. Also, the GEMA engines are supposed to become the (and the 2.4 in particular) best-selling engine in the world. That would require it being in many applications.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    If you are getting a max of 22-25 mpg on your Elantra, either you are doing mostly in-town driving (in which case you are getting close to the EPA number), or there is something wrong with the car, or you need to adjust your driving style. For example, I get 20-25% better mpg than my wife does on our '04 Elantra GT automatic just by doing simple things like using a light touch on the accelerator and anticipating stops. I get mid/upper 20s in town and upper 30s on the highway, going at the posted speeds (60-65 in my area). But if the mpg increase in the new Elantra matches that of the '06 Sonata, we should be seeing at least upper 20s in the city and upper 30s on the highway, which for the power of the car is very respectable. Civics and Corollas get a tad better than that but have lower-power engines, especially compared to the new GEMA engines.
  • smith20smith20 Posts: 256
    The current car has horrendous gas mileage from my experiences.

    My experiences with the current Hyundai, as with all cars for that matter, is that the mpg is very route dependent. Remember, any time you're idling that is averaging 0 mpg. My 2004 Elantra gets about 20-21 mpg on my commuting route, but this is an improvement from the 18-19 mpg I got on my previous 1995 "economy car". When we take the Elantra on trip that is mostly all highway driving with little stop-and-go, the efficiency shoots right up to 32-33 mpg every time so far. I'd expect, and would be satisfied with, getting 22-23 mpg with the next generation Elantra on my commute.

    Ten percent is nothing! I need at least 15% bare minimum on this car.

    With regard to percentage increases in efficiency, keep in mind there's a defined amount of energy contained in a gallon of gasoline. I would expect efficiency increases to get successively smaller since we approaching an asymptotic limit. The easy increases come earlier, and at the higher end it gets much harder to squeeze out greater efficiency. This is especially true as consumers are simultaneously demanding and automakers providing successively larger and more powerful engines.
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    I don't know who it was or where, but there is some science foundation, and I'm thinking it was the National Science Foundation, who studied current technologies and determined that it would be possible for a car about the size of a Camry to achieve 60 miles per gallon without hybrid technology while still remaining tolerable in performance. I hear about it all the time on talk radio! Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

    Lately I've tried to not have a leadfoot and it has helped mildly. I'd say I'm getting 25 miles per gallon now, which I still find to be not that great. Where I live, most driving is on the freeway at 55-70 miles per hour. On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd say traffic is for the most part a 2 or 3. Even my metro area's idea of a big traffic jam would be like a 5. Traffic jams here last about 15 minutes to get through moving at 25 miles per hour, never idling on the freeway. All of these things considered lead me to believe that something is wrong with the car.

    Other things: the car smells like rotten eggs as though the catalytic converter is broken all the time...the car now has 7000 miles on it. Also, it was probably properly broken in because the person that owned the car before us was a Hyundai dealership representative that traveled between the dealers. Also, a small rattle is coming from the intake when you gas the car...I think it is a rock stuck in the oil pan.

    My hopes are that if the egg smells are not a malfunction, that the new car will not smell as gross...also, another friend of mine had a 1998 Elantra, and hers made the same rattley sound in the intake' is this a Hyundai issue, or a car in general issue? Is it a rock or what? Is it caused by the car having variable intake timing?

    The next Elantra is not going to win just by being another 'good' car, like the current one. It needs to be excellent. The Honda Civic is moving more upscale at the same time that Hyundai is trying to move itself upscale. They need to get the 'step up' part of the cars right, and I have high hopes for this next Elantra.

    One thing I hope goes away: the ugly dark plastic around the door handles in the front seats. Also, not all of the controls light up at night, only the window switches, which is kind of tacky. The gauges light up green, which isn't too great for a car marketed at young people. Pull a VW/Honda and make them all red and blue. The ones in the current GT are a nice start, but they still light up green on everything else, which makes them gross (only the speedo/tach light up red/blue). The only extremely-non-subjective cheap part of the car I've found is the trunk. It is lined nice and all, but the sound it makes when you shut if reeks of cheapness. Also, the key fob needs to have a trunk release on it. First aid kit also should be standard on a car today...any car.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    Maybe the technology involved in making a Camry-sized car get 60 mpg w/o hybrid technology is a 4-cylinder turbodiesel with a manual transmission, and possibly with variable cylinder technology. It also depends on what one means by "tolerable" performance. For some people, 0-60 in 12 seconds is tolerable. For others it is not.

    From the rotten eggs smell it seems there is something wrong with your Elantra. I've driven about a dozen Elantras of the current generation and none of them had any rotten-egg smell.
  • gogophers1gogophers1 Posts: 218
    I have an 02 Elantra and have never noticed a rotten egg smell. Well, once... but I have to blame that on the White Castle. But, I digress.

    I consistently get 34mpg in my 5spd with mixed driving. I think it's reasonable considering the current Elantra is a bit tubby. I think my very first car (I'm beginning to feel old), a Pontiac 6000, weighed about the same despite its larger dimensions. On the plus side, if it's Elantra vs. Civic or Corolla in a head-on, I'd rather be in the Elantra. Weight can be a virtue. Of course with my luck, if I get struck head-on, it will probably be by an Escalade towing a yacht.

    Oh ya, and the 2006 Elantra looks great (to stay on subject).
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    Yes, that 2006 Elantra looks great but it's likely the same styling it's had since the '04 MY. Kind Host, when will this board's name be changed (and Edmund.com's info on the next Elantra also) to reflect the fact that the next-gen Elantra will be a 2007 model, coming out in 2006?
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    This board really should be 2007 Elantra.

    I like the current Elantra a lot, but in terms of design, I think that the Kia Spectra (SX and 5 variants) are much more appealing. Aesthetically, however, I feel that the quality is much more pervasive in the Hyundai Elantra. I am hoping for a design as modern as the Spectra's, with as much refinement as the new Sonata (proportionate to it being a pseudo-economy car, of course). It will be interesting to me how this car is to look. In an interview with Bob Cozmai somewhere, he said that all of the new Hyundai models have a "decidedly European" design flare to them...which yes, is something that nearly every car is called at some point, but gauging by current styling trends in the Euro scene and what I can gather from the new Sonata, Azera, Accent, and SantaFe spyshots I've seen online, the cars seem to hold true to his statement. One car I am really excited to see will be the new Optima, which I am (and boards of people on the net) 90% sure will debut at Frankfurt this year. Seeing the styling of the Optima, the Spectra, and the new Rio and comparing them to the new Sonata, Elantra (which hopefully will debut at this same time), and Accent, we will be able to see a better sight for where their differing directions of brand vision are going.

    We really need to start getting some new spyshots for these cars...or at least some at all, especially considering that all of the previous ones were of the next Optima.
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    I saw the same piece. But when I went into the dealer to look at the Elantra, the sales guy said a new Elantra was due out this fall, like November. He said to check back in October because they usually got briefed on the new models about a month before they arrived.

    Like I said, I saw the same article you posted. I didn't have it with me, though, so I didn't push the issue. Was he perhaps thinking of the new Accent?
  • mononeomononeo Posts: 89
    If we remember the 24/7 plan that Hyundai still has underway, we aren't going to see the Elantra this fall.

    The plan put the seven release models in the following order:
    1 Tucson
    2 Sonata
    3 Accent
    4 Azera
    5 Santa Fe
    6 Entourage (though it was not named yet at this point)
    7 Elantra

    I would once again like to point out that we already have spy shots of the new Optima which is supposed to debut at Frankfurt, and that we don't have pictures of the new Elantra yet, and for it to debut without a marketing blitz would be highly unlikely. I would guess April as the launch date. It was called the 24/7 plan because it took 24 months...does anyone know what month the Tucson came out? Perhaps that will shed some light. Summer 2004?
  • smith20smith20 Posts: 256
    I'm pretty sure the Tucson was released late last summer (September I think), so maybe the new Elantra will be released in August or September next year if they're going to make it 24 months from start to finish. Saving the best for last . . . I hope! :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    Yes, a new Elantra is due this fall--the '06 Elantra. But what the salesman considers "new" may not be an all-new design, which is what we expect for the '07 MY. I see ads from dealers all the time touting the "new XXX" model, and it's the same car as from the previous year (except maybe for some new colors and a new, higher price).

    I don't put much stake in what car sales reps tell me about upcoming models. I went into a Hyundai dealer late this past winter and asked when they would be getting the all-new Sonata. The salesman looked at me blankly and said, "There isn't a new Sonata coming. The next new Hyundai will be the new Santa Fe next year." This was within a few weeks of the debut of the Sonata, and it was all over the press at that point. I then asked him if he knew anything about the new Accent and Azera, both of which had been announced for a fall '05 release. He hadn't heard about them.
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    What you say makes sense. But I asked the guy if it was "all new and restyled" and he replied, "yep, a whole new car".
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    Then maybe you could pump him for more info, e.g. ask him where he heard about this mystery car which Hyundai hasn't said anything about in public, displayed at any auto shows, and for which HMA's president has apparently lied and told the public it won't be out until 2006. Seems very strange, don't you think?
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    Further proof of the general weakness of Hyundai dealers. They need to work on their weakest link-- of course lots of Japanese dealerships are also pretty lame.
  • carzzzcarzzz Posts: 282
    Does Tiburon being left out from the 24/7 plan?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    Tucson
    Sonata
    Accent
    Azera
    Santa Fe
    Entourage
    Elantra

    Hmm... looks like it. But there's always the post-24/7 plan! After all, the current Tiburon was the last new design from Hyundai before the 24/7 plan started.
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