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  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Thats how I remember always closing the sunroof in an LR3.

    Side post in MPG numbers.

    I dropped off a LR3 V8 service loaner for a customer of mine a few days ago. According to the trip computer I got 16.8 mpg for about a 50 mile trip. My average MPH was around 40 mph.

    I talked to one of my customers this past Friday who recently completed a 500 mile one way trip to visit family down south. He got 17.8 mpg going down and used cruise control at just over 70 mph the whole way. His return trip was about the same as well.

    He had the car loaded up too. Wife, three kids and himself plus a bunch of luggage.
  • nesuvnesuv Posts: 10
    My '05 V8 HSE is awesome @12,00 miles. For those of you wondering about MPG, my experience is I always get better gas mileage with 93 octane (19mpg/hwy)as opposed to 91 octane (17-18mpg/hwy). I also only buy Mobile. My wife had me purchase at some off-brand station during a trip and 93 octane only produced about 17mpg for a full tank in which Mobile produced 19mpg for a full tank for the same trip.
    Tire pressure discussions- note there are 2 options: MAX load and NORMAL load. You will find the 2 different readings on the back of the QUICK REFERENCE GUIDE. DO NOT use MAX load PSI for an empty vehicle, your tires will not wear evenly!
    I performed my own oil change @11,000 to avoid the long drive and wait at the dealer. I like to make sure it's good and drained too, sometimes dealer service are in a hurry. The 8 bolts to remove protective tray and the 2 to remove the tray covering the oil filter in the front were very easy to remove, but obviously more time consuming than anything. It took a little more than 7 1/2 quarts. 8 would have been too much.
    Runs great! :shades:
  • cmnottcmnott Posts: 200
    Well, the V8 SE was a huge improvement. The passing power was very good and the ride was excellent at highway speeds. Cruising at 80-90mph was pleasure. I am liking more and more with every testdrive.

    The dealer is trying to sell me a LR3 V8 SE and aside from a couple grand off MSRP, they are willing to throw in the running boards and metal/chrome trim or wood trim, whichever I choose. With the Bonatti grey, the metallic trim looks stunning.

    Then I got into the XC90 V8 and it accelerated like a monster. Loud, snarly V8 catapulted this car down the highway. I have to say though, the LR3's ride was more planted, more stable and I was not completely comfy in the XC90 either. they are close, though and it boils down to what I like more because price wise they are close.

    Decisions, decisions! The sensible man in me, the mor elogical says XC90. I have owned a Volvo before, I ilked the experience, it is a good vehicle and does carry some panache. The emotional side of me says that the LR3 is the truck for me. It looks so much better, has real panache/presence and has a little more space inside. It is a cool vehicle whereas the XC90 looks like a jacked up wagon.

    It's tough. The dealer says I will always have a loaner, X-Types or Freelanders and my only reservation is reliablity.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Which Rover Dealer still has Freelanders around to give out as loaners? We have been using LR3's now for over six months.

    I like Volvo Cars because they feel solid in my opinion the XC90 just is not as solid as it should be being a volvo. That platform has been stretched too much to become a 7 passenger SUV.
  • I keep hearing about all kinds of things but doesn't anyone actually use the LR3 for off roading??? I am very interested to know if anyone has changed the tires and wheels so that it can actually go up mountain. We have an LR3 HSE - Tonga Green - we love it - but as summer is coming we are aching to get up in the high country (We live in southwest Colorado) and do some serious four wheeling. Please if you have any info on changing wheels/tires let me know.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Cmnott, I too compared the XC90 with the LR3.... both seemed equal during the comparison. What held me back on the Volvo was the short sunvisors. Once you move them to the side you have very little coverage. Also, the Navigation on the Volvo seemed "half-baked". The screen flips up and the controls are on the back of the steering wheel. The salesman said there was a remote to use if the passenger wanted to operate the Navigation. I could see me losing the remote.

    The center console read-outs are hard to see in the sun in the Volvo, I have not noticed that problem with my LR3.

    I have never owned a Volvo or Land Rover. My brother has a 2003 Discovery and has not had one lick of trouble in the "almost" 50,000 miles that he has owned it. So, I felt comfortable in the reliability. I think every brand can have a lemon so I was not worried about the Land Rover or Volvo. Also, the stretched S80 chassis for the Volvo XC90 had me concerned, why use a stretched car frame for a truck?

    I am extremely happy with my LR3 HSE.... I'm driving it to Los Angeles this weekend so I plan to drive over all of those slow-moving Prius's in the HOV lane! LOL! :mad:

    Happy Roving... Mark156 :D
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    The stretched S80 chassis always worries me too Mark. Back a few weeks ago I did some calculations comparing the chassis of the LR3 to that of the XC90. Basicly I took GVWR and Curb weight and showed the percentage differiental between the two. The XC90 had a much higher percentage of GVW being used as just base curb weight. That reduces your payload capacity a lot and it is probably not good for the chassis to be operating so close to its design limit all the time. I also showed that the XC90 being based on the much smaller chassis is really probably really pushing the limits of its design architecture.

    You can also see this in the Lexus RX/Toyota Highlander crossovers. The pay load capacity is only about 900 lbs the last time I checked and it might have changed some so don't hold me to that exact number. It doesn't take much to get 900 lbs into a mid-size SUV. Two 200 lbs adults up front and three 100 lbs kids in the back and you better hope you aren't carrying more then a 200 lbs of luggage.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    British_Rover... I feel so confident in the LR3. Even though it is a large vehicle, it is very easy to manage (bumper sensors are my favorite).

    I noticed, since the LR3 was new, that when I open a door or use the key fob to unlock the vehicle, the LR will make a "wushing" sound from the air suspension. I feel like I have a space craft or something! LOL! The suspension seems to be working just fine as it will raise and lower flawlessly.

    3510 miles and Roving right along!

    Mark156 :D
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Yeah the car is going to "sleep." Basicly the suspension is autoleveling after you get out and the weight in the car changes.

    I had one of my customers call me once asking why his car was "farting." Where he tends to park his car the ground is not level so when he gets out he car trys to auto level itself against the unlevel ground.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    Hi sawdusters,
    I agree, if you plan to go off road then don't consider all the cross over vehicles.

    As for off road tires, I did a lot of looking into that. That is a major reason I did not buy an HSE - the HSE has 19 inch tires and 19 inch off road tires are even harder to find than 18 inch ones for the SE. Please see my post number 2260 where I listed what I found for the 18 inch size.

    I was planning to go with the Nittos as soon as I bought my SE but because some people are complaining about tire wear I decided to wait a little while to see if my SE has a tire wear problem. If it does it will be a lot easier to address with the dealer with the original tires than it would be with the Nittos.

    I did take my SE over to Discount Tire and bought the road hazard warranty on the tires that it came with. At least now if I shred one, I'll get a free replacement. The fine print says it doesn't cover them off road, but I won't tell them I was off road. And I don't think they hold you to that anyway. When I bought the warranty, it included free balancing so I rebalance all the tires and removed the outer wheel weights and put stick on ones behind the spokes. I'll do the full size spare after the next tire rotation.
  • kandgkandg Posts: 53
    HSE 7 going on to 10,000 miles. LR3 has been pretty good as i've experienced no major issues. Only during the coldest day of the year here when i tried to turn up the stereo volume i got the "low power mode" message and it hasn't happened since (volume was between 21 and 22). I guess i'm one of the lucky ones regarding the tank or tire wear as my original GY wranglers still appear to look new without any negative impact from the camber wear. New tread profile depth is about 7-8mm and i think i still have about 5-6mm. The one odd thing is i now hear the air compressor for about 30 seconds after the LR3 raises to normal suspension height if i lower it. Perhaps i never noticed before.
  • As of last month, I have had my LR3 a year. I recently turned 15,000 miles. I am on my third differential (discussed previously). As of last week, I am also on my third gas tank (the first replaced because of a recall and the second replaced because of some strange metal fragments in the tank), and on my second fuel pump. The first fuel pump was destroyed internally, probably as a result of the metal in my tank. The damage showed up when my LR3 would not start. Luckily, I was in a location where this was not a big problem. As always, the dealer was good about the repair, but I keep thinking that it could have been a much more serious problem.
  • serranotserranot Posts: 113
    Not sure where you're getting your numbers, but when I did the math for the V8 on each, the XC90 was 75% of GVWR, LR3 was 76%. I think you're incorrect.

    Regards,
    Tom
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    I mispoke. I meant that the platoform that the XC90 is based on is being stressed since it is originaly from the much ligher S80 sedan. They are asking a lot of that platform to perform over such a wide range of weights.
  • apparently the message center is an option in north america? My 06 lr3 V6 SE doesn't warn me of things like low windsheild wash - although suspension messages are displayed - dealer says that message center is not avail in north america - seems very weird. I've had suspension issues (resolved) a malfunctioning thermostat and driver seat discolouration (i have tan seats) any one else run into these? Otherwise I love it, great trailer hauler, i've done some nice offroading- i put 4 hapakalita studded tires on for winter and it was unbeliveably steady. now if lr could get their hands on the xc90 seats...........
    also anyone try mounting a winch up front
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    The "message center" is the LCD display in the middle of the instrument cluster and all North America LR3s have it, along with the "Settings" menu... where you can tweak a few settings.
  • that's what i thought but when i said that i never got a low windsheild wash message the dealer said that it not fully activated in NA seemed like a crock to me.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    Hey, I looked over my gas cap door. On the door, just below the latch, there is a tab that is attached to the door and it has a hole in the end. When the door is closed, this hole lines up with a hole in the back wall of the surronding compartment inside your fender well. If you remove the rear access cover (inside, just in front of the tail light), you can touch this hole. I think this is where the solenoid lock would go on a non - North American vehicle. Just behind this, to the rear of the truck, there is an unused wiring harness with a 2 conductor plug and two wires going to it, a black/yellow and a green/yellow. I'm guessing that these might go to the solenoid lock if it were installed.

    So, can someone take a look at their non North American LR3 and see if they have a solenoid there, see if those are the colors of the wires, and find out the part number of the solenoid (and bracket) if this is all correct?

    One more thing, if all we're missing is the solenoid, if we plug it in will it work or is there special programming that needs to be done to activate the wiring. Since there's only two wires, then either the solenoid grounds on it's housing and the 2 wires are for lock and unlock, or, one of them is lock, the other is ground, and it unlocks via a spring (or visa versa). British Rover can you check any of this out for us? If I knew what type of signal to expect from these two wires upon lock or unlock I'd be happy to test them on my truck and post the result. (i.e. which wire gets pulsed or goes hot upon lock/unlock and what voltage).
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    I can ask around not sure what I will be able to find though. Sometimes for stuff that is gone in NA spec vehicles we never find out it is missing till we take it apart.

    Like the motion sensors in the LR3 as far as our techs knew they were there until they put the first Rosen DVD player into an LR3 because you have to open up the part of the headliner where the motion sensors are and there is nothing there.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    I just measured my ground clearance in normal mode and off road mode (after driving the truck and parking level). The front end seemed correct but the rear end seemed about an inch low in each setting. The lowest point in the rear is below the exhaust pipe.

    I'm going to see if the dealer can adjust the height of the rear. I did notice a small black cylinder about 2 inches long and 2 inches tall, with a black tube coming out of the bottom mounted in the left rear fender well on the back of the tail light (it hard to see). This same type of tubing runs to an air suspension component inboard of the left rear air spring. If the cylinder is a sensor maybe if I lower it an inch it will cause the system to raise the truck an inch to compensate. I suspect it's just a vent and it's position won't affect the height. Does anyone know?

    Has anyone had their height adjusted by the dealer?
    Has anyone checked their clearance like me?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    I would not want the motion sensors anyway. They always had problems with them in the Range Rovers and older discos that had them.
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    lr3maybe, the fuel door locking actuator in the UK is FSG500013. "Actuator Assy, 433 Mhz Door Lock Frequency" I think there is also a clip... maybe IPN500030, but I'm not sure. You'd have to ask a UK parts dealer...

    To my knowledge, North America uses a different frequency. 315 Mhz? So, odds are it wouldn't work. But feel free to get the part and try. :) The same is probably true for the MIA motion sensors...

    As you can't siphon gas from the tank (it's blocked), a locking fuel door would only give you mild protection from "casual" vandals... it's easily broken open.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Got into my 2006 LR3 HSE and where the odometer is located, a message came up saying "Service" and "30". The next day it said "29". So, obviously, it was counting down from 30 days. Since I only have 3,900 miles, I was wondering why I needed service.

    Made an appointment at my local LR dealer and they told me it was either 7,500 miles or 6 months. Well, I've had my LR3 for six months so it was time for the regular maintenance.

    Also, there are two recalls (silent). One is for the ignition switch where in some vehicles, apparently, a person could pull the key out without the LR being in Park. I don't think I had the problem but, then again, I never checked for it. Also there was an update for the computer where they had to "flash-it" and install an updated version.

    I also had the dealer replace the sunvisor holders where they clipped at the headliner. The cover for the screws on both sides would not stay closed. So, they replace them.

    I was very pleased with my local dealer as it is not the dealer where I purchased. I'm keeping the LR3 at my other home 1,800 miles away.

    M156 :D
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    Late reply... sorry. The PDC ECU logic changed late in MY2005. Originally, the PDC didn't activate until the vehicle sensed a full stop. So, for some people... it didn't always activate and seemed "buggy." That's probably what was mentioned earlier.

    After much feedback, Land Rover re-engineered the PDC logic to immediately activate when dropping below a specific speed.

    The update can be installed on vehicles that have the old logic -- customes just need to say their PDC isn't working all the time. Now, of course, some people complain it works too much... :shades:
  • adaraadara Posts: 5
    Hello. Had the same problem after the compressor replacement. I worked very hard to convince the dealer the car was leaning backwards. He kept insisting it was parked on uneven ground, etc. We compared my car with the dealer's demo on a horizontal surface and I proved, meter at hand, that his car was having about 84 cm from ground to the wheel arch both front and rear while mine had 84 in front and 81 cm (about 1 inch less) at the rear wheels. Once they accepted this, a complicated alignment procedure followed, they hooked the computer, started the engine and then the software guided them in measuring with a special instrument the height for each wheel hub and then to the joints of the chassis. The computer then raised and lowered the car, showing the differences. The procedure was repeated three times (measuring, imputing the data and then raising the car) and in the end the car was perfectly aligned...
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    Thanks for the part numbers grommet.
    I guess I assumed the two wires were for the lock or unlock signal. I never considered the actuator works via radio. I'll ask my dealer about it but I suspect I won't get much of an answer. Maybe with this info, someone else who wants a locking cap more than I do, will work on it.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    Thanks for the reply adara,
    I called my service guy yesterday and he told me there was no adjustment procedure. So I have saved your reply.

    I have looked over the height again and now think that the rear chassis is at the right height but the exhaust pipes pass below it at a lower level than they need to. At the lowest point of my exhaust pipe, it is about an inch lower than the bottom of the chassis in the rear next to the pipes. It looks like there is room for them to have tucked them up higher. I need to look at a few othe LR3's, then, if they tuck higher, I'll have them adjust or replace my exhaust pipes. Do your exhaust pipes drop an inch lower than the chassis? I'm relieved that my air suspension appears to be the right height and it's just an exhaust pipe issue.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    The first week I had my LR3 the outside aire temp reading appeared to work correctly.
    Then, I pulled it out of a warm garage one morning and it began dropping to the ambient air temp. Around 39 degrees F it chimed and got the snowflake. Then continued to about 32 when I parked it. Later that day, when I restarted it, it was about 60 degrees out but the temp read 32 on startup and took hours and multiple restarts to get back to almost 60, never quite making it.

    It has repeated this sequence again, this time starting at 60, dropping to low 40's and returning to 70's.

    It seems to drop fairly quickly as the sensor cools, but does not warm up correctly. It didn't act like that the first week.

    Anybody have a similar problem that was fixed? How?
    Do you know where the sensor is?
    Is there a way to reset the system without a trip to the dealer? Thanks.
  • roverguy76roverguy76 Posts: 13
    I have this problem with the PDC in my LR3. Its an 05 HSE. Has been in service 3 times for the PDC being non functional at times. They always say "can not reproduce problem". I'll just refer them to the board.

    Another thing; I have this clicking that sounds like it is coming from the left side of the dash when driving at any speed over 40. It is a constant dull "tick". Almost like a clock. They can't reproduce this either. Anyway, I have been a Land Rover Guy for years; so quirks in the LR3 are expected.

    Any advice would be cool.
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    Regarding PDC, the TSB should be LA413-001 -- "Park Distance System Intermittent Operation" -- If they haven't even read this article, they aren't doing their job.

    Sorry, no idea about your dash clicking...
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