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  • My wife picked up two nails in the sidewall of the driver's side rear tire last week which left the tire dead flat after sitting overnight. I found the tire flat about 1 hour before I had to be at the airport. I figured I had enough time to change the tire before leaving. Rushing through the job and not paying attention, I placed the jack about 2 inches outboard of the rail and started cranking. About fifteen turns and a horrific noise, the truck sank about an inch. I grabbed a flash light and realized I was not on the rail, but on some type of plastic cover with a similar hole for the jack to mate up with. I quickly lowered the jacked, found the rail and raised the vehicle. Got the tire changed and took it for a spin. The compressor was making quite a racket. I found it was just underneath the plastic cover I was jacking. The uspension operated normal in all settings, but the racket was not going away.

    I tore down the plastic cover this afternoon and found I had busted the aluminum casting bracket that holds the compressor. I also bent the compressor mounting brackets. I got the casting off and straightened the compressor mounts. Ordered a new bracket and cover from LR for $150. I should be back in business by next Tuesday.

    Be warned - do not jacket the vehicle up using the compressor as a lift point and make an a-- out of yourself. Also be careful off road on that side of the vehicle, if you are traversing some odd shaped boulders.

    Happy trails!
  • slauslau Posts: 3
    I have a 2005 Land Rover LR3 and am trying to use it for towing a camping trailer. The V8 LR3 that came with air leveling suspension and a factory towing package has a towing rating of 7700 lb; while my camper has a GVWR of less than 5000 lb. So it appears that the it should be well within the capability of the LR3 in towing this camper. This was something that I had fully anticipated based on the general perception of Land Rover before I bought the LR3.

    Due to the length of the camper (about 23 feet), it has been recommended by many people who are familiar with trailer towing that a weight distribution hitch (WDH) with a sway control system should be used to properly distribute the weight of the trailer and retard the sway of the trailer for safety reasons. While this is a very common installation on almost all other trucks and SUVs, I have never expected, however, that the LR3 manual has a statement in it calling out that "no weight distribution hitch should be used on this truck" without any explanation on why.

    As a result, I have to reluctantly limit myself to a weight carrying (WC) type hitch that can only use a friction sway control system, which is well-known to be inferior in towing performance than the more effective WDH/anti-sway systems such as an "Equalizer " or a "Reese" Dual Cam WDH-anti sway systems. Unfortunately, as expected, the towing performance that I have been experiencing so far with my WC hitch and friction sway control set up is less than adequate. I have encountered quite a bit of swaying on the highway even at speeds as low as 50 mph when there were moderate cross-winds.

    So here are my questions that I hope someone on this forum can help me understand: (1) What is the reason that a WDH system cannot be used on the LR3? (2) What are the consequence should such a hitch is used?

    I have learned that some LR3 owners have gone ahead on their own to use a WDH. They have reported very satisfactory towing performance without the "white knuckle" type experience that I am having with my weight carrying hitch. I am facing the dilemma on either joining these people to install a WDH against the statement of the LR3 manual or continuing with the "white knuckle" towing and fearing losing control anytime. Any explanation or advice from you would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you!
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Hey B_R, I have a question for you. In an earlier post you mentioned that the LR3's air suspension can raise even higher than the normal "high" setting.

    I would like to test mine to see if it will do it. Do you think that it's OK to do that or is that just an emergency feature?

    Thanks, Mark156 :D
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Yeah you can try out extended mode if you want it is fairly easy to do. You just need to jack up on side of the truck enough with the engine running that the suspension thinks it is high centered. It should go into extended mode then. That is basicly how the techs check to make sure extended mode is working when they do the PDI.

    I can't wait for someone or some company to figure out how to overide the Suspension control module and allow extended mode to be user selectable.
  • dandrews1dandrews1 Posts: 184
    Try a Nokia 6230 - it's the phone that was made to fit into the cradle....

    Enjoy!
  • roverrichroverrich Posts: 5
    Hi guys/gals, I just joined the Forum in anticipation of my new LR3. Been a long time rover fan and currently own a 1997 D90 ST, 2003 DII. Unfortunately both those trucks need to go as our third child make these vehicles impractical- oh well, looking forward to the new ride.

    Let me ask the group a question. I heard that there is an aftermarket "box" that hacks the LR3's suspension so that you can drive the truck at whatever "lift" you choose. Anyone else hear about this?

    TIA and look forward to lively discussions.

    Rich
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    I have been looking for some company to do that for a while and so far found nothing.

    There are several situations where having driver access to extended mode would be very handy.
  • roverrichroverrich Posts: 5
    My dealer was the one who told me about the hack. I'll findout more and post later today.

    Cheers!
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    There is German company that offers a hack for ~$2K USD. I'm pretty sure this will void any suspension warranty if you have an issue. :P It's been "imported" and installed by a few folks. If any US shop offers a modification like this, odds are they just resell this.

    http://www.matzker.de/product_info.php?products_id=520

    Run it through your favorite translator, if you don't read German. :)
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Yeah my german is a bit rusty. If I was just going to build a trail conquering LR3 I would do it but for any other reason ehhh I don't think so.
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    We're pretty sure it's related to the self adjusting air suspension. In a nut-shell, there are a LOT of variables that can impact towing ability... if you find something that works well for your specific rig, go for it.

    In a related note, you also might want to get your air compressor "checked" if it hasn't been replaced or updated yet.
  • roverrichroverrich Posts: 5
    Thanks just what I was thinking about.

    Now, has anyone tried one?
  • koeslerkoesler Posts: 57
    Well, I'm back in HOT OK after seven blissful days in the Ouray area of Colorado. I drove 2200 miles and my 05 LR3 HSE performed flawlessly, as usual. My going-there mileage was again around 18 mpg, my off-road mileage, low range, in rock-crawl mode, was 13.5, and my return mileage was 22.5 with the AC on.

    The trails, especially Black-Bear > Tomboy > Imogene were rougher than I remembered and I had some serious concerns about the tailpipes and mud-flaps being torn off - but, nothing happened. No rocks were touched and the wheels stayed perfect. The bloody Rover handled it all so totally uneventfully that it was almost embarassing. I did not use the HDC because low range, 1st. gear was so slow, the brakes were never needed. Ophir, and Yankee-Boy were just "drives in the country". I wonder just where in the hell would you need to go to really test this thing ? Maybe Holy Cross or Blanca Peak ? But then I'm not into "body damage likely" stuff.

    My tires, at 17000 miles are getting cupped on the inside front edges causing more noise than I like, but they should go another 15000 before replacement.

    I did see several LR3's in Telluride but they were all clean so none had seen any trails. I also saw several DI and DII's along with one Series vehicle, and they were all "trail machines" based on the dirt, dust, mud, and rock art. The number ONE trail vehicle though, now, seems to be the Jeep Rubicon. Next time I will rent one ($175/day) just to see how it works. Happy Rovering to you all!
  • lmgkeyslmgkeys Posts: 20
    I have just started looking at the LR3's and my curiosity is peaked but I was hesitant due to the concern of gas mileage. Yours seems to be pretty good though. I currently have a 2001 Excursion since I have four kids and I need the space. We are looking to sacrifice space for gas savings so the LR3 concerned me that it wouldn't be much better than what I get now but you seem to do really well. What do you consistently get?

    I saw a certified pre-owned 2005 LR3 HSE with only about 11,000 miles and I'm curious about the vehicle. Any feedback you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
  • koeslerkoesler Posts: 57
    I have read many dismal mileage claims and I can only speak for myself, but my average mileage has been outstanding for a 6000 lb. off-road capable vehicle. I have yet to fall below 17.5 mpg while in the flat-lands, around town. High-
    way only gets me 22-23 mpg pretty consistently. I use 91 octane most of the time with an ocasional tank of 89 and see/hear/feel no difference. I use 5W-30 Castrol oil and run my tires at 33 F / 36 R psi, and I drive "nice" in auto mode 95% of the time.

    Hope this helps. Good luck !
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,424
    That reminds me, it'd be nice to have some more reports over in the Land Rover LR3: MPG - Real World Numbers discussion.

    The last time I was in Ouray, the Jeep tour couldn't get to the top of Engineer Pass because there was too much snow. That had to be June.

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  • lmgkeyslmgkeys Posts: 20
    Thanks! It does help. We live in the flattest land of Florida and do mostly highway driving with very little stop and go so I could only hope for such good mpg compared to what I get now. It sounds like you really enjoy the car. Thank you.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    lmgkeys: Note that at high altitude like Colorado, you can get by with regular or midgrade gas even though premium is specified. But in Florida, it is likely you'd need premium all the time. I know this sounds counter intuitive, but that's the way it works. I don't know if the Excursion runs premium, I suspect not.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    Thanks for the info on the Ouray trails. I'll be trying one or two over the Labor Day weekend. I usually use AC when on the trails to keep the dirt out of the interior. Did you? Last year I rented a Jeep Wrangler and did a trail I can't recall the name of. Went until snow blocked the trail. It only got about 10 or 12 mpg on that day. It was nice to ride with the top off. At the end of the day all the rental Jeeps are at the car wash because you gotta return them clean.
  • lmgkeyslmgkeys Posts: 20
    Could you explain that to me? Why would it need premium at the low altitude? Thanks. That definitely plays a factor in our decision making because we are also considering the Volvo XC90 and I'm not sure if that holds true for that vehicle as well.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Imgkeys.. I, too, considered the Volvo before I purchased my 2006 LR3 HSE (Black with tan leather). The third seat on the LR3 is much better than in the Volvo. The sunvisors in the Volvo are too short. Once you move them to the side to block the sun, they don't work well as your face is exposed. The LR3 does not have adjustable sunvisors either but are the largest "non-adjustable" that I've seen out there.

    In the Volvo, if the sun is hitting the center dash, it is very hard to read the instruments. Also, I didn't like the flip-up nav system. The controls for the nav are on the back-side of the steering wheel. I just didn't prefer that over the Land Rover.

    As far as gas mileage, I think the Volvo and Land Rover are neck and neck.

    My experience has been that I'm getting about 13.5-14.5 with mixed city and highway driving with the V-8. It seems to me that Koeslers gas mileage figures seem very optimistic for such a large vehicle.

    Is your Excursion a V-10? In physical size comparison with the LR3, the Excursion is like parking a motor home. I would highly recommend the bumper sensors for the LR3 as they work perfectly when parking. :D

    Mark156 :)
  • lmgkeyslmgkeys Posts: 20
    Thanks for the feedback. I am looking at a Land Rover Certified Used 2005 LR3 HSE gold with black leather, not my 1st choice, and 14,000 miles. I haven't driven it yet but wanted to do my research before I fell in love with it. My Excursion is a V8 and gets about 13.8 mpg and where I live we have very few stoplights so it's mostly highway driving. A major reason I was looking for a new vehicle was for better gas mileage so I'm a little worried about the LR3 since I'm not sure if it will get any better then what I have now. Also, how reliable have you found your vehicle to be?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    You are getting 13.8 with the excursion?

    If that is all highway you will probably do better then 20 mpg with a LR3.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Imgkeys, I have found my LR3 to be very reliable. There are just a few things that I've had done. One was where the sunvisor attaches to the roof on the clips. The plastic flap that covers the screws would not stay closed and on the drivers armrest where it attaches to the drivers seat, the part the covers the screw was missing. The dealer took care of everything with no problem.

    As far as anything mechanical... no problems. I have 5,300 in the odometer now. I will put about 8,000 a year on this vehicle.

    I had the wood grain dash installed and it is gorgeous. My LR3 came with a tan pinstripe that I didn't even notice when I bought it. When I went to pick it up, I was shocked to see it on there. I like it now but it was never listed on my MSRP sticker or on any other sticker. I probably wouldn't have paid extra for it but since it's there, I like it.

    LR3's gas mileage is very close to what the sticker says. As I recall, it was 14 city 19 hwy. That has been my experience. :shades:

    Mark :D
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    This may or may not affect Land Rover but they are a part of the premier group. THere is a reference to a loss in the Premier group and a rethinking of strategy. I wonder if the premier group could stand on its own if bought out by a private group? If anyone knows more about how Land Rover affects ford's bottom line -pipe in.
    _________________

    Ford to Review
    Its Ailing Brands,
    Explore Alliances

    CEO, Under Board Pressure,
    Hires New Strategy Adviser;
    An Urgent Review of Jaguar
    By JEFFREY MCCRACKEN
    August 2, 2006; Page A1

    Ford Motor Co. is launching a strategic review of ailing operations such as the Jaguar brand that could lead to the sale of assets or broader alliances with other companies, according to people familiar with the situation.

    Spearheading the effort for the nation's No. 2 auto maker will be a newly hired strategic adviser, Kenneth Leet, a former investment banker who led mergers and acquisitions teams at Goldman Sachs and Bank of America. Mr. Leet is reporting to Ford Chairman and Chief Executive Bill Ford, who is under board pressure to take more dramatic steps in his restructuring efforts amid the company's widening losses, according to people close to the situation.

    Mr. Leet, whose hiring is expected to be announced today, will lead a small team that has begun an assessment and valuation of Ford's assets and brands, these people said. Among other things, Mr. Leet's team will consider whether Ford should sell some underperforming brands or pursue alliances with other global auto makers, as well as what it should do with its Ford Credit financing arm, whose borrowing costs have soared as the company's credit rating fell below "junk" status. Ford previously has said it would not consider selling a stake in Ford Credit.


    Mr. Leet's first job is a review of Jaguar, a source of red ink at Ford since it was acquired in 1989 for $2.6 billion. The auto maker in July had to lower its financial goal for 2006 from a small profit to break-even for its luxury division, the Premier Automotive Group, in part because of continued falling sales and losses at Jaguar. The division, which also includes Volvo, Aston Martin and Land Rover, lost $162 million before taxes in the second quarter, compared with a pre-tax profit of $17 million a year earlier.

    A Ford spokesman said yesterday evening that the company had "nothing to announce at this time."

    Overall, Ford lost $123 million in the second quarter, a figure that surprised Wall Street and prompted the company to say it would accelerate its restructuring plan. Mr. Ford and his executive team have conceded their current plan did not foresee that the sales of pick-up trucks would fall as fast as they have in the face of rising gasoline prices and shifting consumer demand. Mr. Ford has said a revamped overhaul plan will be drawn up within 60 days.

    Like its crosstown rival General Motors Corp., Ford has suffered from high costs, particularly for health care, and poor recent sales for many of its vehicles in the U.S., aggravated by a weakening economy and high gas prices. Meanwhile, its credit business is making far less money than it used to due to higher borrowing costs stemming from Ford's declining credit rating.

    Yesterday, Ford suffered another blow as Toyota Motor Corp. edged ahead of it to grab the No. 2 place in U.S. sales for July -- the first time Toyota has outsold Ford in the U.S. over the course of a month.

    In 4 p.m. trading on the New York Stock Exchange, shares of Ford were down 9 cents at $6.58 -- not much above the 52-week low of $6.06. A year ago, Ford shares were trading in the range of $11. The falling share price has cut the auto maker's market capitalization to $12.4 billion. Mr. Ford's family controls 40% of Ford's voting stock.

    The hiring of Mr. Leet was initiated by Mr. Ford and backed by Ford's board of directors, said one person close to the matter. Outside advice and financial analysis could help step up consideration of potential alliances with other auto makers or the sale of assets, this person said.

    The decision to bring in an outsider was "accelerated" by the recent start of discussions on a global auto alliance between GM and Nissan Motor Co. and Renault SA, this person said. Mr. Leet's hiring "was strongly endorsed by the board," he said, adding that Mr. Leet's office will be up the hall from Mr. Ford's and that he will make reports to the board with Mr. Ford.

    "The goal was to add an outsider who has merger and acquisition experience, which he has," this person said. "He will look at everything to see what is bringing in cash and what is not."

    It is not clear how long Mr. Leet will stay at Ford. Though the job starts out a short-term assignment, it could become a longer-term position, according to people familiar with the matter.

    Mr. Leet was recruited to Ford by two former Goldman Sachs executives who sit on Ford's board, Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert L. Rubin and John E. Thornton. He spent 18 years at Goldman in London and New York, where he specialized in steel and most recently was responsible for the firm's investment-banking activities with industrial companies. He was a longstanding member of Goldman's M&A division as well as working in the firm's buyout and leveraged-finance businesses.

    Both Mr. Rubin and Mr. Thornton previously worked at Goldman, which has ties to Ford dating back to founder Henry Ford. Before he joined the Clinton administration and later became chairman of the executive committee at Citigroup Inc., Mr. Rubin was co-chairman at Goldman. Mr. Thornton, who now teaches at Tsinghua University in China, retired as president of Goldman in 2003.

    In July 2003, Mr. Leet was tapped to be the next undersecretary of domestic finance at the Treasury Department. But that October, before his nomination was voted on, he withdrew his name from consideration, citing unspecified health reasons. He joined Bank of America in early 2005, and left last May.

    The appointment of Mr. Leet comes as Ford faces difficult decisions about whether to continue pumping money into Jaguar. The storied franchise has become a big thorn in Ford's side.

    Beset by design problems, among other issues, Jaguar has missed a boom in sales of luxury cars world-wide, its sales plummeting in recent years through repeated restructurings of the unit. Sales are down 30% this year after falling 34% in 2005; the brand is on pace to sell 24,000 vehicles in the U.S. in 2006, down from 45,000 in 2004.

    Jaguar sales also are down globally. In the first half of this year, Jaguar sold about 41,000 vehicles globally; in all of 2004, it sold 118,000.

    Jaguar disclosed in December that Ford had injected $2.09 billion to cover heavy losses and investment write-downs, and in the past two years Jaguar has taken some painful steps to stem its losses. They included shutting down auto production at a historic plant in Coventry, England, and unceremoniously p
  • s.k.s.k. Posts: 3
    Grommet, thanks for the reply. One more question though. There are many other trucks and SUVs that have automatic leveling air suspension on the market, both domestic and import ones. Almost all of them allow the use of WDH. So why is LR's system different? Have you heard of any satisfactorary technical explanations? Thanks!
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    I can't really explain it any more. I listen to a Napa car care radio show frequently and they've mentioned it many times. I think it's because at higher altitude the fuel is less prone to pre-detonation which is what causes knock or ping. Sorry if that isn't much clearer. I'll see if I can get a better answer for you.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    This just in from the disco3.co.uk site:

    Uneven Tyre Wear TSB

    New TSB issued yesterday - LA204-008 Discovery 3/LR3 - Uneven Tire Wear (unfortunately LRs US masters seems to have influenced the spelling of tyre) Vin range: 5A300259-6A403382

    Summary:

    A customer may report a concern of uneven tire wear.

    Cause: Certain vehicles may experience a degree of 'bush settle' after the initial geometry setting following production (this has now been compensated for using calculated geometry settings introduced from the VIN above). This 'bush settle' may change the geometry settings to outside of normal tolerance and may increase tire wear. This issue is not experienced on all vehicles and the toe sensitivity may be attributed to other factors.

    Action: Should it become necessary to adjust vehicle geometry due to specific complaints of tire wear, it should be set to the dimensions detailed in this bulletin. For all other cases requiring geometry setting, the dimensions in the workshop manual should be used.
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    Where does one get access to the Tech Service Bulletins? THis is good info thanks
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