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  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    I think thats correct. i tried to replace the OE with Synchrones and there was not a size for the regular SE wheel
  • My 2005 HSE has about 30,000 miles w/original tires. I'm looking for new, beefier tires for off road. The 19" seems to be limited in choices. I've considered trading for 18" to get a bigger tire.

    Any ideas?
  • pfolkpfolk Posts: 70
    What kind of off-road driving do you do? A "beefier" tire sounds like a snow/mud tire. If you don't do a lot of driving in those conditions, you are going to get a lot more tire noise during your on-road driving with not much off-road benefit. I wouldn't do that.

    If your off-road driving is mostly on unpaved forest roads, most any good A/T tire should do it and will give you a reasonably quiet ride on-road. Pirellis are also a good tire to consider, although the Synchrones have had good reviews too.

    The 19's are clearly a fad. If I could have ordered my HSE without them, I would have. The 18's should give you better ride comfort and may open up more options for you in off-road tires.
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    I think the syncrhones fit your size but not the 18'
    thats been the recommended alternative and per pfolk i agree-unless you are competing off road the syncrhones will do the trick. i have michelin all weather tour tires (didnt want them but thats what LR replaced my GY with re the tire wear issue). And they have been fine in rocky, muddy and dirt forest roads, plus the ride is noiseless
  • Thanks for the replies pfolk and ssp1.

    I don't plan on a monster truck ralley, but I don't like the look or performance of the stock low profile tires. I live in Colorado and do go off road, sometimes more than forest service road.

    I think I just want tires that are not low profile, I think I'll check around some tire shops here to see what they recommend. I just haven't been able to find anything on the internet, all the tire sites recommend the same tire/size I have. The Synchrones sound like they may work, maybe I need a different size tire?

    Thanks again,
    Steve
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    See if you can find an independant land rover service center near by and ask their advice. I went through the same question and issue you were facing regarding new tires.

    I asked literally a dozen people who know tires from land rover people to tire people. From personal experience and what i was told: The synchrones may be very similar to the original equipment size and performance. I think they will wear better and they will stay quieter. Most of the guys i talked to said without a doubt they are better quality than the GY wranglers. But they would not necessarily improve off road performance. For off road performance I was told the Nitto Grapplers and the BF Goodrich All Terrain TA/KO were both great tires. I dont know if they come in the right size for the HSE. There will be increase noise but perhaps you willget some comfort from the fact that the noise comes with the better off road performance, there will be some piece of mind. All web sites and tire people start with the "recommended size." some tire stores will only put on the factory recommended size due to liability issues (whatever those are). I was advised to go to an independant tire shop. But that said I just had BF goodrich's installed on my 95 RR classic in a size larger than the recommended specs.

    I am certainly not a tire expert but usually someone at an independant shop for Land rovers has good experience in this area. There is a guy named Ed Tassel (sp?) at Land Rover Mission Viejo who knows tires well or in CO http://www.jcrover4x4.com/ or someone here may know http://www.solihullsociety.org/about-us/

    Please post what you find out if you dont mind.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    I'm in Lakewood Steve. I changed out my 18 inch tires for the Nitto Terra Grappler's that are 1.4 inches bigger diameter. I kept a stock size spare because the Nittos would be tight fit. I tested running 3 Nittos and a stock tire to see if it would be a problem having the different size tires on if I got a flat and had no problem. Let me know if you want more info. The Nittos are slightly noisier on pavement than the stock tire but look good and have worked well in the snow and off road (much more than forrest roads).
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    Can i ask what you paid for the set of 4 Nittos? How noticeable is the noise? SOme of these tires - the noise is so constant its not a big deal. Versus the noise from improper tire wear that has resulted with the GYs
  • Hello everyone , i'm quite please to join this forum. Had a 2007 LR3 v6 for a month and i'm quite satisfied so far...
    After a few highway trips, I have noticed that already the hood letters start to have small black dots, just like if the paint was coming off on impact of some kind (bugs or small rocks), Does anyone have an idea if there is touch up paint for that and also the paint number ? My LR3 is buckingham blue

    TKS
  • jjgghhjjgghh Posts: 13
    This may be a loaded topic on a board with so many LR3 reliability complaints (I've had one of my own -- suspension error at 9K miles, about which I was quite unhappy, but it was fixed the first time and did not recur), but I've come to really like this vehicle and am considering purchasing an extended warranty to take me out to 80K miles or so. I now have 33K on 2005 LR3. Does anyone have experience with the extended warranty program -- is it worthwhile? Thanks.
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    I had one on my 2001 Disco and it was through Land Rover. There was a deductible of i think 100 dollars and it worked out well. just like the reg warranty except for the 100 deductible which is nothing in land rover dollars. I am interested to hear how people respond but I am guessing if you get it through land rover you are safe othewise i would ask the dealer what extended programs to look at. I would hate to have to go to Sam Auto Body and Sandwich Shop to get my 60,000 vehicle repaired.
  • lrguy44lrguy44 Posts: 2,197
    I strongly recommend you get it through LR - and you must buy it before your 4-50 factory warranty is within a month or 1000 miles of expiration. You can tailor it to miles you will drive per year and deductible from $0 to $250. Most of my customers do the $100 deductible.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    You can ask but I don't recall the answer. I had a special circumstance since I got a full credit for replacement of one of my factory Goodyears that was not repairable, plus I traded in the other 4 tires, and to top it off I bought them through a connection I had at Discount Tire.

    The noise is louder than the factory tires but I suspect not as loud as the factory tires would have become in another 5 to 10K miles - they were getting louder. It is not objectionable and I usually drive with the windows open.

    Jack
  • zoeyjrtzoeyjrt Posts: 6
    I have found a number of third party warranty companies but does Land Rover proper offer such a thing? I would appreciate any specifics such as contact info or even recommended third party warranty companies for an LR3.

    Thanks,
    David
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    i think if the LR is under warranty still you can add an extension. And i think its easiest just to ask the dealer that sold you the car.

    Perhaps the guy from teh dealer who is on here can answer. i would go with and LR extended warranty. Who needs the hassle of some third party leveraging risk.
  • lrguy44lrguy44 Posts: 2,197
    I would shy away from any 3rd party warranties. I have seen too many claims denied that should have been approved. See your LR dealer for a warranty.
  • pfolkpfolk Posts: 70
    Land Rover offers two or three flavors of extended warranty that are very good. The finance department of your local dealer can explain the coverage and cost. They are not inexpensive but will provide good protection once the factory warranty is up. I believe you must purchase the contract before the factory warranty expires and have the vehicle inspected if you purchase the warranty at a later date.
  • I have a LR3 HSE with 600 miles on it. The vehicle was drivable, but the audio system and the navigation system were inoperable. The trip computer was functioning, but not correctly. Since it was Sunday there was no service at the dealer. By Monday the LR3 had a total electrical failure and would not jumpstart. After towing it to the dealer, they claim they could jumpstart it and everything worked normally after starting the LR3. Has anyone had similar problem? What happened? Did it recur? Has it ever left you stranded in a remote site?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Were you using a bluetooth phone with the LR3 right before the audio system shut down?

    The only time I have seen a failure like that is when someone was talking on a bluetooth cellphone connected to the vehicle and they tried to switch a call with call waiting.

    It has only happened three times in the three years they have had bluetooth phones in Land Rovers but every time that was the problem. It doesn't seem to happen every time you try and switch calls with call waiting but it does happen sometimes.

    The remedy has always been to completely disconnect the phone from the car. You do this buy going into the bluetooth menu on your phone and shutting the connection down. Then shut off the car and let it sit for about 10 minutes. Once you restart the car everything should be fine.
  • I do not have a bluetooth phone, nor was I using my cell phone, so it seems unlikely this was the cause. When the initial failures of the Audio system, Navigation system, Voice Recognition system occured the LR3 was drivable and I was doing errands. The vehicle was turned on and off several times without fixing the problem, so it doesn't seem to be a "re-boot" issue for computer chips. In the morning I found the LR3 without power, and curiously, could not be jumpstarted. Had to be towed to the dealer.

    As an aside, to have the vehicle towed I called Land Rover Roadside Assistance. The driver of the first tow truck they sent stated he was not equiped to deal with an electrically disabled 4-wheel drive vehicle and left. I called Land Rover Roadside Assistance a second time and they said they would send a second tow truck. However, a short time later Roadside Assistance called me back and placed me in a 3-way conversation with the second tow truck driver to negotiate with the driver for him to come assist. Eventually, he did. Overall, a very poor performance by Land Rover Roadside Assistance.
  • pfolkpfolk Posts: 70
    If this only happened once, that's hardly an indictment of Land Rover engineering or build quality. I'm approaching 10,000 miles in an LR3 HSE--both on and off road driving--and it has been flawless--it's a better vehicle all around than my 1997 Range Rover was in its day.

    Referring back to the first response about Bluetooth phones: some of the quirkiness of bluetooth operations have to do with that technology and are not unique to Land Rovers. I use my Motorola Razer with my LR3. The only quirk I noted is that the phone stays locked in to the truck after I stop the engine until I walk at least 10 meters away from the truck. That's great if you want to complete a conversation without idling the engine for a long time. But, if I get a call while I'm standing outside the LR3, I can't answer on the cell phone because the call is routed through the LR3. That's not a Land Rover problem, and I can live with it. If you're old enough to remember the days before cell phones, this bluetooth stuff is nothing short of magic. I'm thrilled to have the phone synch with the LR3 as soon as I unlock the doors, and to have hands-free cell phone capability while I'm driving. My wife says she can't tell the difference in sound quality. What more could you ask for?
  • The iPhone gives you a choice on the screen when you have a bluetooh call in the car.

    A separate screen comes up and asks if you want to switch the call to Land Rover, iPhone, iPhone external speaker. It is really a great idea because instead of being unable to answer the call when outside the car or stuck inside the car waiting to finish a call.

    Just select iPhone, or external speaker and the call will switch instantly.
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    I dont think roadside assistance is ever that good. i have never had luck with it with any vehicle type and i have stuck with AAA; that said I think Land Rover needs to sort out that problem and make sure its roadside assistance works. I am sure the problem relates to having to contract with many independant tow companies that its hit or miss. i also know that when i pushed the LR service guys where i take mine they said the LR3 is great but they are all still learning the electronics. that was over a year ago so hopefully its notas much of a black box.

    knock on wood Im at 25000 miles on my LR3 SE7 and the thing is great. no problems less tire wear on the original GYs. Have Michelins now and tires are wearing fine. (oh and I am rotating at 5k)
  • Last week the Audio system, navigation system and voice system began unoperable. The following day there was a total electical failure. When towed to the dealer no cause could be found. Unfortunately, today the same systems failed a second time. There is no blue tooth phone involved. The service department is closed for Labor Day. I was scheduled to be leaving on a 2000 mile trip today through deserts of Southwest, through Yosemite and on to San Francisco. A unreliable vehicle is a pointless waste.

    In a more trivial, but annoying issue, the rear hatch lock had not released correctly since I obtained the vehicle. Since the LR3 was in for service with the electrical failure, I asked to have the rear hatch release fixed. When the vehicle was returned the lock released correctly 3 times. After that it became intermittant, and within a day did not work at all again.

    Thus, my "Land Rover Experience" has been Land Rover Roadside Assistance sent a tow truck unequiped to deal with a disabled Land Rover and a second company had to be sent. The service department at Land Rover North Scottsdale was unable to diagnose the cause of the multisystem failure with subsequent total electrical failure. That multisystem failure is now happening a second time and ruined my trip. The service department at Land Rover North Scottsdale was unable to repair the rear hatch lock release appropriately. Not a happy story for 600 miles on the LR3.
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    I think you are close to a Lemon law issue if that law exists in AZ. You may want to check into it. I hope you talk to the GM of the dealer but i think you need to or should i should say, write to LR N America - Fed ex a letter to the VP of customer affairs or whatever his title is. (Dont email them - either fed ex or fax. get attention) Try this guy MIKE WRIGHT, Title: Director, Retail Strategy and Customer Service, Jaguar and Land Rover - or try this guy- GARY TEMPLE AS EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT NORTH AMERICAN OPERATIONS. he is in Irvine california - I will see if i can find a fax number or the exact address in Irvine, as I drive by the building all the time)

    Detail your problems and note the dealer and GM name of the dealer. Also tell them that you are sharing this on message boards. I really like land rovers but I want to see them improve the reliability.
    Other cars have the same types of problems (Just read the GMC and Chevy boards for the expensive denali, Yukons, and the Caddy Escalade - not exactly the same but breakdowns nonetheless). I own two LRs and had another one for a few years and never a breakdown. that said I hope your problems get fixed and LR takes responsiblity.
  • I spoke to the General Manager after the first failure and the LR3 was returned with the claim the service department could find no cause for the problems. His response was "Drive it around and see if it fails again." If I had wanted this life experience I would have bought a 7 year old jeep, not spent $60,000 on a new LR3
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    Which dealer location is this, I am curious
  • This was at Land Rover North Scottsdale, Arizona.
  • Thanks for your input. I have sent written complaints to Land Rover North America and the general manager of the dealership asking to reurn the LR3 and have my purchase money returned. I have also reviewed the Arizona statues regarding "Lemon Law" which I discussed with my attorney, albeit I was scheduled there for a completely different purpose. I appreciate the names you supplied. I realize that cars do have problems. However, it has been my experience with computer/electrical systems that if there unexplained system failures from the beginning, you can never get them right. Whether it is finding a intermittant short, a partially defective chip, an intermittant power surge from a bad voltage regulator or more likely the collision of multiple intermittant problems causing the multiple failures. My experience with computer/electrical systems has been these types of problems are nearly impossible to find and fix. Thus, I believe this LR3 is destined for a lifetime of trouble, and so does everyone I have talked to about this LR3's problems.

    The vehicle has about 670 miles on it. That'a less than 27 hours running time (at an average of 25 mph, probably under-estimated for my average driving speed). This LR3 has now spent 40 hours in the service department (assuming an 8 hour day, probably an over-estimte for the hours worked on my LR3). But I don't think there is any other name but "Lemon" for a vehicle that has more shop time than running time.
  • I recently bought an LR3, now with 700 miles on it. I took possession of the vehicle 47 days ago and it has now spent 16 days in the shop with the count rising since it is there again. It has had the navigation system, audio system, voice system fail on me 3 times, plus it failed once at the dealership after "repair" when they called me to pick up the LR3, and then had to call me back and tell me not to come yet as it failed again. The dealer says they re-booted and upgraded the software twice.
    Similarly, the last loaner vehicle was a 2007 LR3 with 7700 miles on it. During the days I drove it the audio system failed totally for a day, then the LED panel started working again but there was no sound for a day, and finally it started working correctly spontaneously. Thus, the 2 LR3's that I have spent more than a day in have both failed. A dismal record, and it appears from your posting that this problem is epidemic in Land Rover. I have reviewed the Arizona "Lemon Law" statutes which allow the dealer 4 attempts to repair the problem, or 30 days out of service over 2 years. I am counting both and will use this law when either trigger is reached. I have been extremely disappointed in Land Rover quality. When people ask me how I like my new car, I tell them it is a piece of sh*t.
    As one last aside, the loaner LR3 with 7700 miles on it was leaking oil onto my garage floor. This suggests a separate indictment of poor quality by either Land Rover or the dealer's service department. A vehicle that new should not leak oil.
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