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Land Rover LR3

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  • lr3maybelr3maybe Posts: 134
    Having owned a ML320 I wonder if the GL is even really an off road vehicle. Did it have reasonable ground clearance and approach and departure and breakover angles. Did it have the air suspension yet or is that still unavailable. Did it have a low range - I don't think the new ML has yet to come out with the low range or air suspension they promised long ago.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Low Range is optional and the air suspension is standard but it is not nearly as advanced as the LR3s air suspension. No cross linking and I doubt it has as much wheel travel either.

    Remember the Sport is not seven passenger capable though so that does not really fit in with the idea of the GL450. The Range Rover is not 7 passenger capable either and never will be for various reasons.

    I could see maybe making another LWB Range Rover and having that be seven passenger but that is it.
  • I'm having the same problem with an LR3 HSE and my Rogers Blackberry 7900. It finds the phone no problem, indicates a connection when I enter the car. But 3 out of 4 times the calls go through my phone and not the car. Even when I ask the car to dial a name and it confirms for me, the call is put on my phone, not the overhead speaker system.

    I have not yet found a way to get a consistent response.
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    I checked into this and Blackberrys wont work well at all. There is a tech service bulletin SG106-4 that has the approved list of phones that work all the time. I think i may just get one to go in the cradle and call it my "Car phone" Apparently the system doesnt sync well with certain phones and the BB is one of them. If you cant find a copy of the TSB online or cant get a copy faxed from your dealer to you, let me know and I will PDF it and send it. or post it here if i can.
    I was about to throw the blackberry out the window. Now that I know, the blackberry can live and i will live with getting an extra phone for the car. the itegration system is worth it
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Yeah the BB is a no no and so are most Treos as well.
  • rromanrroman Posts: 4
    Porsche tops quality survey
    Toyota, Lexus top most vehicle segments in revised J.D. Power Initial Quality Study.
    June 7, 2006: 5:05 PM EDT

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Porsche rises to the top in a new J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Survey. The survey was revised this year to take into account inherent design issues as well as malfunctions and manufacturing defects.

    According to J.D. Power's survey of new vehicle owners, Porsche had 91 problems per 100 vehicles. Lexus, Toyota's luxury brand, came in a close second with 93 problems per 100 vehicles. Korea-based Hyundai ranked third with 102. The industry average was 124.

    Toyota and Lexus ranked highest in most vehicle segments in the survey.

    This year's scores are not comparable to those of previous years because this year, for the first time, J.D. Power considered design flaws that bother consumers as well as actual defects. Had the ranking been based on defects alone, Lexus would have ranked first and Porsche second.

    "In the eyes of consumers, design flaws can have as much of an impact on their perceptions of quality as can a defect," said Joe Ivers, executive director of quality and customer satisfaction research for J.D. Power and Associates. "Yet, many manufacturers have tended to address quality solely on the plant floor without considering design factors."

    Vehicle brands can vary widely in the two quality measures.

    "For example, BMW vehicles have among the fewest defects and malfunctions, along with Toyota," said Ivers. "But BMW approaches controls and displays in a way that creates some problems for customers, leading to more design-related problems overall than Toyota incurs."

    BMW ranked well below average in the survey with 142 problems per 100 vehicles.

    A BMW spokesman attributed the large number of design-related issues to the amount of advanced technology in the company's vehicles.

    "We are known, and we are expected to be, a leader in cutting edge technology," said David Buchko, a BMW spokesman.

    New owners may have trouble using some of the vehicles' technology simply because it is unfimiliar to them, he said.

    Some have suggest that the new J.D. Power rating system creates an "innovation penalty" said J.D. Power's Ivers. But companies can integrate technology in a way that doesn't annoy customers, he said.

    "You won't have failures related to a parking assist system if you don't have a parking assist system," he said. "Then lexus comes out with one and customers don't have any propblem with it"

    Land Rover, the British luxury SUV brand owned by Ford Motor Co., ranked last in the survey with 204 problems per 100 vehicles. But Jaguar, the British luxury car brand also owned by Ford, ranked fourth overall, just behind Toyota, with 109 problems per 100 vehicles.

    J.D. Power's Initial Qualty Study was based on responses from 63,907 owners and lessees of new 2006 model-year cars and trucks. They were surveyed after 90 days of ownership.
  • ssp1ssp1 Posts: 115
    I cant recall them because I did not save the file , but i have read online that these surveys are statistically weak. They basically perpetuate the same numbers each year because people are motivated to respond based on what they know. The other issue is this is based on 90 days. If you have problems in 90 days and they all get fixed what happens over the next three years? No doubt LRs have their issues and perhaps are the worst on the list. But on my Disco II once i had a few problems solved, nothing major happened or minor..until about 88,000 miles.

    Perhaps google search statistical analysis of JD Power and COnsumer Reports will unearth some of these studies
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    ssp1, well... that's why it's "initial quality" -- I had about 5 items fixed on my very early LR3 in the first 6 months... all minor or "stupid." But JD counts all reported problems, big or small, filled out in the customer survey.

    So far, I have a decent vehicle. Nothing "big" since... other than the quick air compressor swap last month. But I wouldn't say I had excellent initial quality.

    No surprises for me. These are all just statistics, which you are free to use or ignore in your purchase decisions.
  • gwellandgwelland Posts: 23
    hilift: I've only used the wheel hooks with the jack to raise the corner of the vehicle so that I can get unstuck. I don't use it as standard jack lifting against the body. Since I have the 72in jack version it can also be used as a winch although so far the only times I've needed winching out I've been able to get a tow instead. The biggest issue with the jack is that I had to get some mounts fabricated for the Expedition Roof Rack since there aren't any appropriate fittings available.

    As regards stowage fo the privacy cover, the problem I found is where to put it when you have the rear seats down and the entire rear setup for cargo. I have an HSE 5 seat and so since i can't easily leave the cover in place I need to put it somewhere and the best place I found was in front of the dropped 2nd row of seats. It would be better if there were some latches somewhere to hold it more securely.
  • gwellandgwelland Posts: 23
    Privacy cover storage: Aha!, the gap between the 2nd & 3rd rows would probably work. The carpet folds over that space and I have a cargo space liner so I missed that. I'll check it out ...
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    The "gap" is designed to hold it. Really. So it has to work... :-) Not sure what you mean by carpet folding over, though. I don't remember that...
  • After a great Sunday with the dealer off roading just outside Rocky Mountain National Park (pics to follow this week I hope), my 2005 LR3 SE went in for the 60000 mile check up.

    I escaped for $514.00. Still riding the stock brake pads! New tires with 20000 miles still not showing any wear. They are Nokian snow tires. Performed very nicely off road last week, by the way. Quiet on the road at highway speed and handle better than stock on the switchbacks out here in Colorado.

    To those looking for an LR3 and worried about maintenance issues - NONE HERE! Maybe I am a lucky guy, but that would be a first for me.

    Had the factory seat covers off for the first time and threw them in the washer. They came out looking brand new and fit back up like a glove. The leather under the covers looks amazing (3 and 4 year old are in the car nearly every day).

    This truck is beast. I plan to take it back from my wife this summer again and put another 40,000 on it (highway, mining roads in WY, CO, KS, NM, & TX). Probably turn a 100k miles by year's end.

    Keep you posted of any problems, but doubt there will be any :D !
  • 54805480 Posts: 1
    There is something I do not understand.

    LR3 is consistently ranked as a poor quality vehicle in the US and also here in Europe (see for example the latest JD Power ranking). However, the residual values are consistently very high in the US and also here in Europe (see ADAC, Parkers, leasing company stats etc.).

    Why is that? Shouldn't there be positive correlation between poor quality and residual value?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Ah see but that is the issue minor and or stupid problems are given the same weight as major issues.

    To make it more accurate they should come up with two measures.

    Measure one just like the current survey and measure two would only show problems that left a vehicle "off-road" to use a service term.

    Basicly the second survey would rate how many problems per 100 vehicles left someone stranded by the side of the road.

    I am reposting this from you know where Grommet since edmunds won't let me post the URL.

    Reposted from...

    Stupid gas tanks and weak air compressors caused that. I mean it was the first model year so what do you expect. I guess just hope for the better next year.

    One thing I will say though about JD Power is that they have a tendancy to weight complaints oddly. I saw this when I had my MINI all the time.

    People would make complaints like this...

    Rides Rough, Hard seats, twitchy steering wheel, interior rattles broken cup holder etc.

    They bought what at the time was the best handling small car in the world. It could run circles around most cars three times its price complaning that it had a hard ride or twitch steering is stupid.

    That is like people buying the LR3 and complaning about gas mileage or brake and tire wear. The truck weighs three tons nothing is going to make it get great gas mileage and it is going to just eat brakes. The truck out stops many "sporty" cars and/or sedans and weighs twice as much what do you expect.

    Those kind of complaints on the MINI would get similar weight to the more serious ones like...

    Gear shift linkage breaking stranding the transmission second gear or even worse in neutral or the other more infamous yo-yo acceleration syndrome that some MINIs have even to this day.

    Serious complains I can see on the LR3 would be the early air compressors that were too small. The gas tank was not a serious issue for most people but did cause stalling for some.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,959
    JD Power did change their system this year for the Initial Quality Reports. "The study, in its 20th year, was revamped to isolate consumers' concerns about design flaws, as distinct from defects and malfunctions." NY Times

    No word on whether a broken cupholder ranks as highly as a broken air compressor in the problems category.

    Not only did Land Rover do poorly with 204 problems per 100 vehicles, they also got the worst rating for design. (consumeraffairs.com). BMW also got hammered for design issues, but had few problems per 100 vehicles.

    Jag landed in the top five, so it's not like Ford can't get it right.

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  • My LR3 HSE came with all the phone buttons on the wheel and on the console but no phone cradle. Where is it normally located? I have sort of a pen holding place next to my shifter on the right (left for brits?)

    I had my eyes on a new motorola in-ear headphone called the H5 miniblue. It's not out yet. When I got my LR3 last week I was hoping to avoid having to buy a headset. But blackberry connectivity via bluetooth is so sporadic that I may as well turn bluetooth off.

    As a side note, I'm quite sure I do not have a speech impediment but when I tell the car "phone dial name" and then "call home" it askes me to confirm with Yes or No. When I say "Yes" most of the time the car replies "dialling cancelled".

    I don't know how many different ways I can say "Yes" to try to get the car to agree with me that the call should be placed!
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    If you HSE is a 2006 with the factory PTI option then the connection for the cradle is under the center cubby bin. It is only a connection for the cradle you have to buy a cradle that matches your particular phone. Only a handful, less then a dozen I think, phones have a matching cradle and all are made by nokia since nokia makes the phone system. Lean the phone in the top center cubby tray if you have the cooler box option that is what I recomend to people.

    As to the voice command the "yes" command can sometimes be tricky.

    You need to really enunciate the "Y" part and then draw out the "S" part.

    Imagine you are from the south and you are going to say "Yesssm" just leave off the "M"
  • johnmajorjohnmajor Posts: 94
    There's another solution for "Bluetooth" in the LR3

    Look at the Motorola IHF1000 module.

    The kit works really well and works with any bluetooth equipped phone including the Treo700w etc.

    You can pick up a kit for about $200.00 and about 2 hours to install.

    If you Treo recognises the caller (in your directory) it will announce the caller all through your stereo etc. Host of other capabilities.

    I gave up on LR fixing the Bluetooth. They screwed that up royally.

    http://www.motorola.com/automotive/solution_blnc.html
    http://www.motorola.com/automotive/pdf/blnc_technical.pdf
  • yaya4yaya4 Posts: 4
    Exactly mac24. I just think its a cool concept that no one has thought of before. Great advertising efforts done by Land Rover.
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