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  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    michaelwillems posted: "I am fed up with car manufacturers babying us!"

    Well, it's more about possible lawsuits than "babying." Our ever growing litigious society (USA! USA!) basically forces manufacturers/vendors to add these little annoying safety features. Most Navigation implementations at least lock-out non-saved destination changes while moving; the Acura system is one of the few that does not.

    (Hey LR, how about allowing changes when there is a passenger? There is already a passenger sensor for the airbag!)
  • Well, it's more about possible lawsuits than "babying." Our ever growing litigious society (USA! USA!) basically forces manufacturers/vendors to add these little annoying safety features.

    Right... I agree. But:

    a) I am not in the USA, so I do not see why my life should be affected by its messy legal system.

    b) LR could stand up to the damn lawyers instead of giving in. Not everyone does it, so evidently it is not strictly necessary. Matter of principle, too: the GPS, the windows, the roof, the BING BING BING sound when I open the door with the key in: I can imagine they can do a lot more to make life annoying for us and safe for the lawyers.

    c) These thinmgs do not necessarily contribute to safety. Me stopping on the freeway was MUCH more dangerous than allowing me (passenger actually) to type in the address. Forcing me to keep pressing a button to close a window is much more distracting than just doing it automatically.. etc. If we are going to annoy customers for reasons of 'safety', let's make sure it really is safety.

    [end of rant;)]
  • tzotzo Posts: 95
    I confirmed that you can select a POI while driving and set a destination to it. You can also set a previous destination while driving. The design of the NAV system appears to be that they don't want you involved in more distracting operation of setting a new complete address.
  • I think the Navigation system's usefulness is severely mitigated when it requires putting the vehicle in Park to program a destination. Does anyone know if this feature is "deprogrammable"? I'd hate to mess with software etc, but I find it highly inconvenient that I (or a front seat passenger) cannot use the features I need in my $53,000 vehicle, lawyers be damned.
  • I confirmed that you can select a POI while driving and set a destination to it. You can also set a previous destination while driving. The design of the NAV system appears to be that they don't want you involved in more distracting operation of setting a new complete address.

    Yes, but setting a new address is what I needed to do. They may or may not want me to do something but last time I checked it was my car, my life, etc. :-)

    Plus, while trying to figure out if it was broken (soem options appeared as you point out, some didn't), I spent at last five minutes on this while drving. Talk about being distracted!

    Michael
  • tzotzo Posts: 95
    Michael, I totally agree with you.
    Also, I found you don't have to be in Park to punch in a new destination, you just have to have come to a stop. I don't think this is any relief, since when you're in this mode, you're probably waitinguin traffic to go fwd at any second. Which then blanks out the entry screen.
  • No question that you can do what you want with your life. The question is that it is not just your life at stake. The person you may hit while fiddling with the NAV would certainly have a different point of view.

    Art
  • winston1winston1 Posts: 10
    Has anyone expiremented with the extent to which the Nav is voice activated? It would certainly help matters if you could put in a POI or address vocally while driving. I'm sure that's the next step in Nav evolution but I haven't tried to figure it out on my LR3.
  • tzotzo Posts: 95
    yes, you can add POI's while driving, just don't know about using Voice... doubt it, since the vocabulary to be recognized is probably too large.

    For entering POI's, here is what I do: Tap the screen once or twice (forget which), brings up a POI button at bottom right. Touch POI button. From there, you can add POI's to be displayed or deleted on the screen. You can do all of this while driving.
  • johnmajorjohnmajor Posts: 94
    I have been doing POI's regulary by voice.
    Just say "Navigation POI Italian" for restaurant Italian or Post Office, Petrol etc.

    To remove use "Navigation POI off"

    The more you use the voice activation the more it gets to understand you I have found. Using normal speech voice levels. Maybe I'm getting better at the right commands!

    I think LR need a comprehensive Vouce Command reference book for users though! There are lots of commands, including all the "Phone Directory" etc. which would be nice to implement with Bluetooth.

    By the way, all the screens on navigation equipped vehicles have inputs for rear view camera and a secondary video input. Accessing the special settings menu brings the inputs up for programming.
  • bribribribri Posts: 2
    Hello Landy man, can you just recap the current status of the stall issue on both your car and your in laws's. Did you get a replacement car, or do you have the same ones and is it still stalling? When I confronted our Parsipanny salesperson about the stalling issue this past Monday, he said the LR reps were just there this Sat, it was a computer glitch, they had a software patch, it only effected a very small number of cars and he was not aware of any instances of stalling on cars sold out of Parsipanny. Hard to believe. I think he was a little taken back that I knew about it. Would your rep's name happen to be George? I would appreciate knowing. Thank you for any info, we really love the car but the stalling accounts, especially the reports of those on the highway are keeping us from puchasing at the moment and we really need to purchase a car ASAP.

    Also - does anyone have the direct links to the other LR3 message boards. Thanks.
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    johnmajor post3ed: "By the way, all the screens on navigation equipped vehicles have inputs for rear view camera and a secondary video input. Accessing the special settings menu brings the inputs up for programming."

    Well, "kind of." There are no "normal" video inputs to my knowledge. The basic design, which is generic for all the vehicles (LR3, Range Rover Sport & Range Rover), would allow other devices -- like a Rear View Camera or "VentureCam" -- on the MOST bus. But it doesn't mean you just "plug it in and it works." The core debug/diag functions of the system does not imply latent functionality in the LR3 version of the user interface.
  • winston1winston1 Posts: 10
    Johnmajor thanks!!! Very interesting and promising that voice activation does really work with the Nav. I can't wait to explore this further!!!! Tony
  • johnmajorjohnmajor Posts: 94
    Grommet
    You can push basic video from camera or DVD etc through the inputs.
    They are the same as Range Rover inputs & theres quite a few aftermarket back up camera systems for the RR that should be available once they figure the system out & the car gets more abundant etc.
    There is also an input for a companion camera which I believe is a camera you would probably use to watch the dog or kids etc.
    I cant post pics to this forum but I have pics available of the screens.
    I do know a person in England that has his Disco3 with backup camera & DVD all working through the Nav screen.
    Cant be rocket science methinks!
    Its probably not been done much because LR is stingy or hopeless with documentation!
  • tzotzo Posts: 95
    I am pretty interested in this. What exactly is the nature of this MOST bus... if I had a video signal, what sort of connector/signal format does it need to be in order to arrive on that NAV screen.

    And what Menu on the NAV screen allows for all this to happen???? I haven't run into it and I thought I pretty much played with every menu choice.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Also - does anyone have the direct links to the other LR3 message boards.

    Yes, lots of folks have the links but to post them here would violate the Terms of Use. Click on "Rules of the Road" at the top of this page to review them.

    tidester, host
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    johnmajor, most aftermarket backup cameras bypass the car electronics and wire directly to the Navigation screen with a switch. It then electronically changes input from the car Navigation system to the camera when the car is in reverse. (Very similar to people hacking the screen for DVD playback and adding a switch.) That isn't rocket science at all. It's done all the time.

    Just don't get your hopes up you can magically have the GUI interface support them, so it acts fully integrated. Diagnostics does not mean support. If you do know of someone that has managed to really add functionality without bypassing the system, send us a pointer! I've only had minimal conversions with my contacts regarding the system internals, as it isn't their specialty and they know very little... especially regarding doing unsupported things with it. I'm only passing around what I've heard, which may be wrong - it's a Land Rover Misinformation thing. ;)

    If someone wants to try to take the '06 Range Rover camera electronics and wedge it on the LR3, more power to them.

  • No question that you can do what you want with your life. The question is that it is not just your life at stake. The person you may hit while fiddling with the NAV would certainly have a different point of view.


    Sure, But again, I do not need Land Rover's lawyers to be the judge of all that. Selling me a dangerous car is one thing: if for instance driving the car NECESSITATED using a screen while driving, that would not be a good thing. But a car that ALLOWS risks is a good thing.

    Think of all the other issues that could be addressed by your way of thinking. Why is this car allowed to drive over 100 kph/62 mph, which is Canada's limit? The lawyers should limit it to 61 mph (just to be sure). Why am I allowed to slam on the brakes (very dangerous!)? Why am I allowed to sound the horn? Why am I allowed to adjust the seat while driving? Why can I operate the stereo: if the GPS is dangerous, the stereo is much more so. Heck, why does it even HAVE a stereo? In fact: why am I even allowed to drive any car? I could kill people!

    This reductio ad absurdum shows me clearly that they should use the GPS alone.

    Mike
  • grommetgrommet Posts: 445
    tzo, MOST (Media Oriented Systems Transport) is a multimedia fiber-optic network standard that is slowly catching on in mobile systems. http://www.mostcooperation.com/index.php

    If you are a developer in this world, you might be interested in the CEA-2012 MOST network application: http://www.ce.org/standards/StandardDetails.aspx?Id=1751

    It's the first step in allowing aftermarket devices to really interoperate. Problem is (for us)... it's far from mature. Don't expect LR to be "cutting edge" -- they can't even get MP3 ID tags or CD Text to display. ;)

    The menu he's talking about is the (hidden) diagnostics/debug interface for the Navigation screen system. It isn't a normal "menu."

    Be aware I haven't personally confirmed video is fed through the MOST bus ('06 Range Rover related); that's just what I've been told.
  • tzotzo Posts: 95
    Grommet, thx, I also did some googling on MOST. A protocol standard, which is fine, but for the purposes of our discussion LR3 would have to have some analog video in to MOST bridge somewhere in the vehicle. Doubt such a beastie exists today, as it wouldn't be cheap to just to include for future use.
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